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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:07 PM
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"It is time to profile for terrorists, to actively discriminate...Islamists, some would call them"
Gingrich openly says let’s ‘profile’ and ‘actively discriminate’

By Sahil Kapur
Thursday, December 31st, 2009 -- 10:19 am

http://rawstory.com/2009/12/gingrich-openly-profile-discriminate/



WASHINGTON -- Another prominent Republican has joined the chorus of conservatives championing open discrimination against Muslims after the failed Christmas terror plot.

In an op-ed published Wednesday for the conservative magazine Human Events, former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich forcefully slammed the Obama administration's counter-terrorism policies as insufficient and said his approach "must now change decisively."

"It is time to know more about would-be terrorists, to profile for terrorists and to actively discriminate based on suspicious terrorist information," Gingrich wrote.

"We know our opponents are radical extremists of the irreconcilable wing of Islam (Islamists, some would call them)," he added.

In an unabashed endorsement of discrimination based on background, Gingrich posited that "e know how to identify these enemies but our elites have refused to do so."
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:09 PM
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1. I want to add New Gingrich to the terrorist watch list.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:15 PM
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13. Beat me to it!
LOL
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:10 PM
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2. Newt Gingrich is a waste of oxygen, protplasm, space and any other ingredient essential
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 12:10 PM by BrklynLiberal
to sustain the human race.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:14 PM
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3. The argument will, unfortunately, resonate
It won't go anywhere fortunately - they couldn't do it in the Bush era, they aren't going to able to do it now.

Bryant
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:33 PM
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4. Michael Chertoff was on NPR yesterday talking about how ineffective profiling is
The Christmas bombing is a great example. This guy was from Nigeria, not the middle east. He's African, not Arab-looking.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:54 PM
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Yeah, but that's not a problem for the Freepers

You mean we get to profile the ni**ers too? Hell, that's a good thing !11!!1111!!!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:58 PM
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9. Let's not forget about Jose Padilla.
We can get all of the Latinos too.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:48 PM
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5. Racial profiling is not just wrong and bigoted, it does not work...
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 01:03 PM by mix
...this proposed policy is for the consumption of the Republican base, it is meant to be divisive in supposedly pointing out the naivete of liberals as opposed to the non-elite conservatives who know who America's enemies really are.

Islam is a universal religion, in that conversion has been historically possible for all ethnic and cultural groups...for this reason you could never "profile" Islamists anymore than you could cat lovers. If you want to end terrorist attacks, US foreign policy needs to stop giving radicals an excuse for resistance and retaliation, i.e deal fairly with the Israelis and Palestinians and end the occupations of Muslim lands.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:11 PM
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11. Don't believe it's been tried.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:15 PM
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12. your "belief" is incorrect
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:42 PM
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15. No, as an official goverment policy it has not been tried.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:44 PM
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17. as de facto government policy is has and continues to be
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 01:58 PM by mix
Newt is arguing for the legitimation, both legally and through public approval, of racial profiling policies that have long been practiced by law enforcement, private interests, and government agencies...interesting pre-9/11 fact:
A General Accounting Office study revealed that approximately 67 percent of the passengers subjected to personal searches upon entering the United States were people of color. Black and Latino Americans were four to nine times as likely as white Americans to be x-rayed after being frisked or patted down. Black women are more likely than any other U.S. citizens to be strip-searched. The GAO found that in 1997 to 1998, an astounding 97 percent of passengers forced to submit to pat down searches, and 77 percent of the passengers forced to submit to strip searches, were innocent.

http://www.aclu.org/stop-racial-profiling-american-airports
http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/sweeping-homeland-security-investigation-muslims-was-unconstitutional-and-discriminat
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:49 PM
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20. But you can't say it doesn't work when it hasn't been tried, which it hasn't nor will it be.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:59 PM
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22. If you read the link, you will see it has been tried and failed. nt
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:49 PM
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6. Yes. Newt goes on the terrorist watch list first. There. I actively discriminated.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:52 PM
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7. idiot. there is a reason racial/religious profiling doesnt work. i hate these people
there can no tragedy that they will not exploit to further propagate bigotry
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:54 PM
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8. guess the timmy mcvieghs would get a pass then.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:08 PM
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10. Even if 100% of airplane terrorist incidents are committed by young Muslim men, we should not do
this.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:43 PM
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16. No, we should not do this.
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 01:53 PM by mix
Despite not being official policy, racial profiling exists in the public and private spheres, typically resulting in false arrests and accusations.

There is no empirical evidence that racial profiling works either. In fact, its discriminatory nature exacerbates social relations.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:54 PM
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21. It probably happens in Muslim countries to non-Muslims but we don't do that here.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 03:13 PM
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23. lame argument
Racial profiling is an ongoing fact of American life, in both the government and private spheres...if you quibble with that you're a troll. The ACLU has and continues to document this fact.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:32 PM
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14. Has Newt run out of original material?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:04 PM
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18. Yeah, he did
About 1996. It's all been recycled since then.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:09 PM
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19. so true
and Gingrich types use 9/11 to argue for the same old reactionary garbage they did back in the 90s
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