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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:33 PM Original message |
Welcome to Orwell's World 2010: Barack Obama is the leader of a contemporary Oceania. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. And Obama LIHOP too |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Why do you say that? |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Oh, Christ, not another goddamn acronym. WHAT, now? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. He's responsible for lingonberry syrup at the International House of Pancakes. |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. and I for one thank him for it. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. Let It Happen On Purpose |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. So does it really shave that much time off somebody's typing time to just |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. We're still in the end game. n/t |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. Double-plus way stupid post |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Psstttt...yer chocolate ration is in the mail. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. Same author called Obama "a glossy Uncle Tom." |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What did he mean when he wrote it? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. "I hate n******." |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Link? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. It's on his wiki page. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. That he hates "n******"? I doubt it. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. You asked me what he really meant. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. "A glossy Uncle Tom who would bomb Pakistan." |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. That is just total bullshit. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Yeah, it's terrible. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I think he was referencing your misquote. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. It's a paraphrase, not a quote. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. sorry for the mid-edits |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Racism isn't that complicated. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Oversimplified... but OK |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 04:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Deleted message |
SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The person who introduced race into discussions of Pilger was Pilger himself |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I think it's a term that was far more acceptable when Pilger was younger. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. I do |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I bet they do. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Normally, a bet is a wager with two opposing sides |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
78. Yeah? How many is "many"? |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Poor old John, reduced to ZMag, musing about 1984 |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. We should all be so reduced. "John Pilger wins 2009 Sydney Peace Prize" |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. East Timor. His work and advocacy was invaluable and highly influential in Australia. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. What part of his post is nonsense? |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The whole analogy. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Isn't his post focusing on how the lies of power become truth? He's focusing on Obama's lies |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. He should start with his own lies: "In 2001, the Taliban tried three times to hand over bin Laden" |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. He's referring to an assertion by Pakistan's military regime. Are you saying the regime |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. It's a bald statement of his own |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. If you read the post, you'll see it's not a bald statement of his own. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The ISI as a reliable source about the Taliban? You have to be kidding. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I didn't think you had a link to show Pilger was a liar. The Guardian also reported |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. 1. In 2001 The ISI, as the principal backers of the Taliban are completely unreliable sources. |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. "The ISI, as the principal backers of the Taliban are completely unreliable sources." |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. ISI, CIA, MI6, NKVD are NOT reliable. Period. By definition. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #77 |
88. You still haven't demonstrated that Pilger & the Guardian are liars. You |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. What's with the 'chocolate ration' comment? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Haven't read the book? Double Plus Un-Good |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. It's from the book/film. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm starting to think we need to extend Godwin's Law to encompass 1984 analogies. n/t |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. We're rapidly approaching that moment. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Thought Crime! Thought Crime! |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I'm beginning to think the same thing. nt |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Yeah, sure... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. The thing is that Orwell was spot on in his observations of how politicians talk |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Well, that is my whole problem with 1984 analogies. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Pretty much |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. It's not the only similarity, & the reason politicians talk like that is because of the structure |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. What fresh hell is this? Is your tinfoil chapeau too tight? |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. Pilger: "Barack Obama is a glossy Uncle Tom" "Hillary Clinton ... is anti-feminist" |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. How disgusting does the source have to be before a disgruntled DUer decides it's toxic? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
79. Entitlement. Some people think that they've just been so kind to us minorities they have the RIGHT |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Thanks for posting this. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Eric's Law "The first to raise 1984 in an argument, loses" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I've always used bvar22's Law. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I would add just 'plain fallacies'. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. As long as someone supports their position with... |
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NoUsername (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Crickets... n/t |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. bvar, I was very specific #26. |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Mendacious Much? |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:14 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. OK. Refute something. Anything in it. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. Yes. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-02-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I don't think he meant for you to reply that effectively. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
43. And what about the birth certificate!!!!! |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. OMG - You've solved the conundrum! |
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BluDemocratGirl (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Been there, done that! Obama was born in the STATE of HAWAII! |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. Good Read. Thanks. and, BTW, Don't Feed the Trolls. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Sorry problem fixed |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
52. Bush was a billion times more Orwellian |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
62. Welcome to King's World 2010: Barack Obama is the host of a game show called Running Man. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
64. Trying to hang this on Obama is pathetic. Using Orwell to do it is Orwellian. UnRec ++ UnGood |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. But will the chocolate still crumble? |
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That Is Quite Enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
70. Not exactly. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
73. Wow. Damning -- some of those lies and justifications sound EXACTLY like what b*s* said. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
76. Y.A.F.O.R |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Ah so, YAFOR -- an acronym that will join IOKYAR in the DU lexicon. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You too, my friend. |
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