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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:51 PM
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The event that set the tone for this decade.....
Remember, remember, the 7th of November - the Florida vote treason and plot.









The Stolen Presidential Elections
by Michael Parenti

(updated version, May 2007)


In one of the closest contests in U.S. history, the 2000 presidential election between Democratic Vice-President Al Gore and Republican governor of Texas George W. Bush (hereafter referred to as Bush Jr. to distinguish him from his father who was also a president), the final outcome hinged on how the vote went in Florida. Independent investigations in that state revealed serious irregularities directed mostly against ethnic minorities and low-income residents who usually voted heavily Democratic. Some 36,000 newly registered voters were turned away because their names had never been added to the voter rolls by Florida’s secretary of state Kathleen Harris. By virtue of the office she held, Harris presided over the state’s election process while herself being an active member of the Bush Jr. state-wide campaign committee. Other voters were turned away because they were declared--almost always incorrectly--“convicted felons.” In several Democratic precincts, state officials closed the polls early, leaving lines of would-be voters stranded.

Under orders from Governor Jeb Bush (Bush Jr.’s brother), state troopers near polling sites delayed people for hours while searching their cars. Some precincts required two photo IDs which many citizens do not have. The requirement under Florida law was only one photo ID. Passed just before the election, this law itself posed a special difficulty for low-income or elderly voters who did not have drivers licenses or other photo IDs. Uncounted ballot boxes went missing or were found in unexplained places or were never collected from certain African-American precincts. During the recount, GOP agitators shipped in from Washington D.C. by the Republican national leadership stormed the Dale County Canvassing Board, punched and kicked one of the officials, shouted and banged on their office doors, and generally created a climate of intimidation that caused the board to abandon its recount and accept the dubious pro-Bush tally.1

Then a five-to-four conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court in a logically tortured decision ruled that a complete recount in Florida would be a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause because different counties have different ways of counting the votes. At that point Gore was behind by only a few hundred or so votes in Florida and was gaining ground with each attempt at a recount. By preventing a complete tally, the justices handed Florida’s electoral votes and the presidency to Bush, a stolen election in which the conservative activists on the Supreme Court played a key role.

Even though Bush Jr. lost the nation’s popular vote to Gore by over half a million, he won the electoral college and the presidency itself. Florida was not the only problem. Similar abuses and mistreatment of voters and votes occurred in other parts of the country. A study by computer scientists and social scientists estimated that four to six million votes were left uncounted in the 2000 election. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html




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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:53 PM
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1. when the big darkness began...k&r nt
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:12 PM
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46. The exact moment captured in a single photograph...
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:59 PM
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60. That picture should be in every textbook in this country. nt
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:39 PM
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78. Thank you for posting this photograph
I have been looking for a copy of this for awhile now.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:27 PM
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81. you are welcome. good to know people realize the importance of this pic.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:55 PM
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2. Oh so you'd rather have a balanced budget, no wars a sound financial system.
what fun would that be.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:46 AM
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30. Health care for all would be nice, too.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:04 PM
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102. Could we also include the eradication of homelessness?
Not that its big on the progressive agenda....
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:28 PM
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82. As the Onion put it so rightly in January of 2001
Our long national nightmare of peace & prosperity is finally over...

;(
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:57 PM
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3. Think of the lives, both here and abroad, that were lost because of this.
Bush's "legacy" will forever be fucking this country...no, this WORLD over.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:59 PM
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4. I need to vomit
This brings back horrible memories.

K & R.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:08 PM
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43. Exactly what I was thinking
I still cannot believe the American presidency was stolen once, and perhaps twice. BushCo nearly destroyed this country. :cry:
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:01 PM
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5. That is why I am here on DU
I was pissed.

I lurked.

I joined DU.



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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:58 AM
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15. DU may well be the only good result of that disastrous decision. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:49 AM
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34. Same here
:)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:02 PM
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6. I can't even imagine what our lives -- what the world -- would be like if this
hadn't been allowed to happen. It is so far removed from what we've learned to live with and call our reality. It's mind-boggling.

Thanks for posting this. Recommend.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:25 PM
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95. When the SC stopped the count I thought all hell wouild break loose.
I was all ready to demonstrate like mad but 'waited for someone else to start it and they never did.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:04 PM
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7. Yes.
Much remains of that act that continues to poison this country.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:18 PM
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8. King George and his Lords and that's not stretching it even a little bit. It's an indisputable fact.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:04 AM
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9. I remain convinced that 9/11/01 was green lighted precisely because Bush was installed.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:21 PM
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50. No question about it
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 02:22 PM by Sebastian Doyle
When you look at the list of original PNAC signators, and then look at the cabinet Cheney chose for the Chimp, it's fucking obvious. It's pretty much the same list of assholes.

(I was going to link to the PNAC website for the original list, but it seems the site has been disappeared)
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:12 PM
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63. Indeed it has. That's a new development. I was on the site not too long ago.
And, I also agree that 9/11 was green-lighted by the stolen election. In fact, I firmly believe it was the reason for the stolen election.

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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:27 PM
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96. He was very timid in the first few months of his adminstration and then....
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:24 AM
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10. Yup yupyup that started the whole effin decade, and I will NEVER forget it,,,
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:29 AM
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11. And that led to another travesty that is ineradicable; in the history books forever, to our shame:
"Operation Iraqi Freedom."


Shit. Dr. Goebbels would have blushed at propaganda so blatant... :mad::grr::mad::grr::mad:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:32 AM
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25. Don't forget it was first coined Operation Iraqi Liberation.. OIL
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:08 PM
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Yeppers.
Then someone realized that it was just a scosh too obvious.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:29 AM
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12. That is when Earth Prime spun off into its own reality...
On the "real Earth" (or the alternate reality Earth), Gore became President (he hadn't picked Lieberman either) and turned the US around BEFORE it set out on its latest and unavoidable descent into madness and destruction.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:48 AM
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13. A true low point in the history of this country. The horrors that were initiated
by that betrayal will rain down on this planet for decades, if not centuries..

And I still remember the whining essay written by the then retired Justice O'Connor..about how she did not know that Bush would do the things he did. When it was too late...she regretted her decision...Well too damn bad you traitor!!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:41 AM
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17. I would love to read that essay. I didn't know O'Connor had ever publicly expressed regrets...
... of any sort. Do you have any memory of keywords or location so I could find it and read it?

My feelings about those events remain: It was a bloodless coup d'etat. In MY COUNTRY. Never forgive. Never forget.

Hekate

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:35 PM
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77. Cannot find the exact article I read bakc then..but this is the best I could find.
Not as specific as I would like..but it still shows too little too late.

http://www.newser.com/story/70988/roberts-court-disappoints-oconnor.html
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:17 PM
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39. It's sad that a sitting SCOTUS judge would rule agains the law.
She decided that we were a county of men rather than a country of laws. It's good that she regrets it, but it isn't enough. Of course she was a Reagan appointee so I'm sure she still had favors owed. I wonder what they have on her?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:19 PM
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49. Sad? Try criminal
yeesh. No wonder they walk all over us.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:59 PM
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69. Well....Gosh...Bush had failed at everything he had tried to do ..Plus..
..Screwing the state of Texas over...I mean, how was she suppose to know??

AGGGHHH!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:11 PM
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88. Happy she has gone . . .
there were lots of rumors that she had signed a pledge that America should be

governed according to Bible --

Who knows what she would have done re religion when chips were down --- ??

But I think putting Bush in Oval Office was enough for me to judge her as treasonous -- !!!

And, meanwhile, we're now subsidizing the Vatican's "faith-based" organizations and there

is an ongoing investigation into whether they have used that money to pay off their

"priest/pedophile" lawsuits!!

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:11 PM
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87. Hold someone accountable
The Bush cartel gained power because of a corrupt Supreme Court. The cartel plundered the nation and looted the treasury. They destroyed our international reputation and lowered living standards for the vast majority at the behest of the oligarchs.
A good start at restoring the republic would be to hand over the highest ranking members of the cartel to the Hague for war crimes trials.
The Bush and Cheney family assets should be seized and impounded. The Supreme Court Justices that imposed the cartel on the rest of us belong in prison for life.
The corporate media monopoly that aided and abetted the cartel's treasonous destruction of this nation's underpinnings needs to be purged and broken up.
And finally, some people need a good public horse whipping, Starting with Antonin "Nino The Fixer" Scalia for issuing a stay that stopped the Florida recount.
If the criminals aren't held accountable for crimes committed against the nation and Humanity, then there's no point in having a government or Court system.
We are entitled to a full refund.
And I'll still call him President Gore, despite the backstabbing whining weasel Liebermann.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:52 PM
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91. how can a schmuck like me know more than her?
I'm just a moderately educated average schnook, but even I knew to look at Commander Potato Crotch's record in Texas, to get an idea of his track record. Then extrapolate his past record to what one could expect for the future.

All I did was google. It wasn't so hard.

I feel ill.....
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:53 AM
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14. K&R
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:28 AM
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16. Fuck the Filthy Five Forever.
Inhuman Shitbags. ALL of them. Complicit with the Corptocracy and/or indifferent to the greater good. Vanished money, lost lives, crumbled structure, sovereign nations attacked for no reason, destroyed economy, plutonomy cemented. The Highest Court of the Land became a farce, a mockery, an asylum goverened by inmates forever. Selecting a propped-up-for-life FAILURE to run the most powerful nation in the world in a decision they had no business making. They took power away from the people and surrendered it to the Fascists.

I literally cannot stand to look at ANY of them or the insufferable looks etched on their faces.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:50 AM
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27. +1.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:37 PM
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41. 100% correct.
Wish I could recommend your post.

Julie
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:32 PM
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100. +10
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:43 AM
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18. KnR. We have lived to see better days. There is still massive work to be done...
... to repair the wreckage, but we lived through it.

Hekate

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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:51 AM
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19. They had it in the bag, either way.
Lieberman was the veep candidate. In the event of a Gore administration, he was the hole card for the oligarchs.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:28 AM
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28. Agree -- :: Lieberman --
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 10:50 AM by defendandprotect
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:51 AM
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20. If I may...
This was certainly a horrific event, a coups d'état in the most influential nation on earth, but this made the resulting devastation possible.



Fear accomplished a death-grip on this nation that persists today.

That, IMO, set the tone for this decade.


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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 11:05 AM
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36. 9/11 and the events leading up to it reaffirm the criminal desperation of the December "Surprise".
It all started with the conflicting reports between the Viacom-owned CBS, the Jack Welch-sock puppet NBC and the GOP Ace-in-the-Hole mouthpiece known as Fox News regarding the Florida results. It's pretty telling when the complicit media apparently couldn't even get their scripts on the same page. That's Hole #1.

Once the recount madness got underway, the dirty tricksters had all of their plants in place: A SOS who just happened to be Republican and involved in the Bewsh campaign. The governor who just happened to be the brother of the candidate. A complicit contractor installed by the state to set up a database purging thousands of democratic voters on the loose and illegal basis of prior conviction. A long drawn out recount involving a confusing paper ballot designed to cause inevitable issues with the state's senior population. John Bolton. The Brooks Brothers Riot, a stunt that by all rights should have gotten it's participants arrested (interference with a National Election is a federal offense) had the plants not known it was all theater for the droolers. All of these elements became massive holes that, because it would lead to a days-upon-days drag-out, the GOP was willing to play with for only so long before they introduced their corporate power into the game.

The real culprit was the Supreme Court's hand in it all:

Depending on the counting standard, the range of results falls between Gore by 393 and Bush by 1,665, meaning that a thousand-vote variance in either direction determines the outcome. But 330,000 over- and undervotes remain unconsidered, and thousands more have mysteriously disappeared. With a pool of 330 times the number of disputed votes floating around, neither Bush nor Gore can be accurately called the victor of the Florida media recount.

Strictly speaking, of course, Bush had little use for legality while plotting his December Surprise. Rather than push for the statewide recount that would have put questions of presidential illegitimacy to rest once and for all, Bush's posse arranged for his five GOP allies on the Supreme Court to stop the recount -- a recount using a standard that, it now turns out, would have put Gore in the White House.

Bear in mind: Even if Bush had won the recount, he would still not be the legit president of the United States. Bush was illegally installed by an outlaw Supreme Court out to subvert states' constitutional right to run elections. You don't get to call yourself legit unless you're willing to await the counting of the votes.

However, Bush's gamble came up snake eyes, which is why most Americans believe that the real president is teaching journalism at Columbia right now. Whether or not you count the Palm Beach County Buchananites, Bush lost the race. Gore lost his will to fight. And we lost our delusions of democracy.


Didn't it all just seem too desperate to be legitimate? Rather than allowing the democratic process to play out it's result, didn't it seem like the GOP was going to pull whatever off-the-map stunt it could think of, short of just coming up to the dais and declaring Bewsh the president, people's votes be damned? Did it not seem like it was all too theatrical and a "done deal" and the meek participants of the other side to be all too . . . hurried, for their expected concession?

Was there a more sinister reason (as the next year confirmed) behind this pull-out-all-the-stops coup to get Bewsh installed, come hell or high water?


The cynical Bush was so desperate to "win" that he was willing to risk spending the next four to eight years being considered illegitimate if a media recount didn't prove him the victor after the fact.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:24 PM
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51. But without Chimpy and his PNAC signator cabinet installed in power
Would their self-described "New PERLE Harbor" have occurred at all?
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:40 PM
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55. 9/11 wouldn't have happened under President Gore
I'm pretty confidant of that.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:15 PM
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75. And instead of responding by invading Iraq
President Gore would've used the opportunity to end America's dependence on oil.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:59 AM
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21. Yup and it's been downhill
ever since, that ushered in a horrible era. :-( I hope those 5 rot in hell for eternity. :grr:
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:39 AM
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22. I will never forget
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 06:40 AM by RFKHumphreyObama
I hold those judges personally responsible for all the tragedy, pain, suffering and evil that has unfolded over the past decade. Clinton, whatever his faults, left America and the world in a state of almost unprecedented peace and prosperity and * and his cronies trampled on and destroyed every cherished ideal that made America the great country it was at home and overseas. The vile, reprehensible policies and politics they pursued absolutely tore the nation to shreds and was truly something beyond what one's worst nightmares could have imagined. There were times in the past decade when I actually wondered whether I was living in reality because the crap that the mis-administration and their allies were pulling just seemed so totally out of sync with the world that I had grown up in and loved.

This past decade destroyed much of my idealism, optimism and hope which I used to have about the world. And much of that is due to the actions of Chimpy and his cronies. Obama has restored some of it but it will never quite be the same as it once was.

F*** you Supreme Court justices and members of the past mis-administration. I don't usually swear but, goodness, it felt good to let it out
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:46 AM
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23. pfffttt... OMG! will you ever give this up? it is done. decided. gore was never the president. ever.
what is it with those that cannot accept history?

blerg...

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:31 AM
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26. Give up my ass.
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 09:33 AM by The Wizard
The Bush cartel gained power because of a corrupt Supreme Court. The cartel plundered the nation and looted the treasury. They destroyed our international reputation and lowered living standards for the vast majority at the behest of the oligarchs.
A good start at restoring the republic would be to hand over the highest ranking members of the cartel to the Hague for war crimes trials.
The Bush and Cheney family assets should be seized and impounded. The Supreme Court Justices that imposed the cartel on the rest of us belong in prison for life.
The corporate media monopoly that aided and abetted the cartel's treasonous destruction of this nation's underpinnings needs to be purged and broken up.
And finally, some people need a good public horse whipping, Starting with Antonin "Nino The Fixer" Scalia for issuing a stay that stopped the Florida recount.
If the criminals aren't held accountable for crimes committed against the nation and Humanity, then there's no point in having a government or Court system.
We are entitled to a full refund.
And I'll still call him President Gore, despite the backstabbing whining weasel Liebermann.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:31 AM
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29. No -- you don't "accept" history . . . you LEARN from history . . .
And you certainly don't believe our history based on white male propaganda --

do you?

See: Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" for one --
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:47 AM
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32. You sound like it please you...
9-11 is History so just forget all about it and move on. Accept that it happened and just forget about it...There are very ignorant things said on this forum, and that's a fact..
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 11:47 AM
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38. Um, it's about not accepting the CRIMINAL ACT. I was there. I saw the theft happen
I worked in a minority district during election 2000. First the white cops tried bulling black voters at the polling place I was stationed at. They got right up in the faces of grandmothers and sneered "what you gonna do when your boy loses? You gonna CRY when your boy loses?", they tried shutting down major roads in minority areas to stop people from going to the polls. Then they tried to close the polls two hours early. We resisted. Then they started telling hundreds of voters that they had come to the wrong polling place an hour before closing (most people walked or took the bus to get there). The "right" one was way across town, they insisted. So we rounded up five church buses to take voters to the "right" polling place. The cops pulled our buses over before we got very far, insisting that if the drivers didn't have a "taxi license" they would have to unload. Yes, it was a planned an executed theft that the MSM did not report on (despite the fact that we reported all of this to them. The only person that I talked to who listed to me was Greg Palast from the BBC), and no one went to prison for this act of treason. A crime is still a crime, no matter how much time passes. Nazis were put on trial decades later for their crimes against humanity. The Far Right cabal who stole two elections needs to be put on trial and jailed as well, otherwise nothing will stop them from doing it again.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 04:32 PM
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72. Thank you so much
for sharing these memories and for what you did then, including reporting this to Greg Palast. I knew from Election Night that something fishy was going on, and I suffered thru the 37 or so days waitting for the ultimate verdict. But it was Greg Palast's film that explained clearly some of the machinations behind this election theft. Your story provides even more.

I was thinking last night about 12/12/00, when that SCOTUS decision came down, and I just thought, that right there was the beginning of the worst decade for our nation as a whole. I am SO glad it's over.

Also, I don't understand how any black person could ever vote Republican after this. But I know a few who do. : (

Really appreciate what you shared. You should be giving speeches on this!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:33 PM
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79. Thank you Lorien. Thank you, for the eyewitness account of this crime. I will never forgive...
...I will never forget. :grr:

Hekate

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
97. Greg Palast reported enough of this in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
to put any number of people behind bars if anyone anywhere had cared enough to file on behalf of the people. And then we had to watch it again with Kerry in Ohio.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:30 PM
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40. It's just hilarious.
An extraordinary activist court decision the meddled in the due process of law.

That resulted in a fake president that ended up killing a million people. And an indebted nation.

That decision broke America.

Most of us aren't concerned with history as much as the future.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:17 PM
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48. Your hilarious misquote is very freeperish
The actual quote goes, "those who forget history are bound to repeat it". Idiots like yourself would like the rest of us to forget your hero Smirk was never elected president, but we're not going to.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:32 PM
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53. Honestly?
This is true history. The history of an American Coup d'etat. That, IMO, is still in charge. Until I see corporations regulated and monopolies busted, I will still believe that "we" have no control over "our" govt.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:52 PM
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58. Is that sarcasm? It sounds like the repug rhetoric during the recount
which is why I ask. There were calls of "get over it" and Sore/Loserman before the SC even decided Bush v Gore. Such calls were part of the propaganda used to win the coup.

I am not sure how "ever give this up" and "accept history" are even responsive to this thread, though. Yes, we accept the history that Bush and that cabal stole the election. Are you suggesting we never talk about it?
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:54 PM
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59. History will reveal what should have been
As has been the case throughout history.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:31 PM
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67. Did you just break wind?
:eyes:
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:28 PM
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76.  It's not about Gore.
It's about the filth that took over the offices.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:55 AM
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24. K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:47 AM
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31. Another aspect of this has to be understood . . .
and it's that the ability to pull this off wasn't born on that sad Election Day . . .

what made it possible was decades of ignoring right wing political violence --

from the coup on JFK to Iran-Contra -- and certainly the COMPUTERS which is what I want to

specifically comment on here . . .

The LARGE computers used by MSM began coming in during the mid-1960's --

Prior to that time MSM could only report official vote totals --

After the LARGE computers came in MSM had new powers to PREDICT vote totals and

PREDICT winning candidates ---

And, they also now had the power to CALL elections for winning candidates --

In the 2000 election, they simply reversed those new powers as they proceeded to RECALL

Florida from Gore and later to CALL it for Bush!


I think we fairly well know the history of the small computers -- the computers most of us

are voting on still -- and they are hackable still. Those began to come in during the late-1960's.


I would just add that the LARGE and small computers arrived pretty much as America was

passing The Voting Rights Act.










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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 04:08 PM
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70. Thank you, thank you...
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 04:11 PM by liberation
... it is time for liberals in this country to finally f*cking "get it."

It seems the progressive ranks were infiltrated by centrist and moderate conservatives, who were running away from a tarnished brand (conservatism in most parts of the world has ended up being synonymous with hubris). And for the past few decades they have done their best to concern trolling the left in this country into irrelevance, always asking us to "take the high road" and well... we kept on taking the higher road. And next thing you know... "liberalism" is used as an insult, the left is made irrelevant, and even the supposedly "liberal" party, the Dems, are now walking, quaking and looking like a center right platform.

Heck, even here in DU, a shitload of self described "Democrats" seem to be far more Republican than anything. I have seen some supposed "progressives" feel far stronger against anything or any policy that could remotely be construed as leftist. To the point that these supposed progressives spent most of their energy sand bagging liberals than opposing anything the conservatives shovel down our throats.

We need to understand that democracy is a contact sport, not an spectator's one. No one has ever effected anything via interpretative dances, drum circles, and singing kumbaya. Sometimes I feel as if the whole hippie crap was some plot to neutralize the left. We need to understand that we are the sheep, they are the wolves. And the wolves do not understand politeness, but we need to make sure they get the fact that there is far more of us, and we should not be afraid to throw a punch to shut their mouths when they get out of hand. The past decade is a clear reminder of the clear and present danger that a big portion of the insane reactionary contingent in this country presents to all of us.


You can not be polite and accepting of someone like Cheney for example. Until we know that we, the left in this country, are useless.... As soon as that vermin opened his mouth, there should have been plenty of pols on the left not afraid to tell him to shut the f*ck up, and provide proof after proof of Cheney's treasons... without having to be the ones pussy footing about it. The guy has committed treason for fuck's sake! Why are we the ones using the kiddie gloves then?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:31 PM
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90. Agree --
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 08:32 PM by defendandprotect
Yes, of course, real liberals/Democrats and the party as a whole were targeted --

often by CIA and NRA -- CIA using whatever right wing money it could get its hands on,

including money from KKK according to Jim Marrs/Rise of the Fourth Reich.

CIA was financing right wing members of Congress . . . two I'm aware of were Sen. Strom

Thurmond and Rep. Jerry Ford. Evidently, there were others.

They also financed Pat Buchanan.

Just as an aside, there were times when 50% of our Federal Education budget budget was

money for CIA-!

PLUS, any response or balancing of info by our "free press" ended with corporate/CIA takeover.

See "Operation Mockingbird" and Carl Bernstein's articles on subject of "CIA journalists"

infiltrating our press.

You're making some very interesting points here . . .

We need to understand that democracy is a contact sport, not an spectator's one. No one has ever effected anything via interpretative dances, drum circles, and singing kumbaya. Sometimes I feel as if the whole hippie crap was some plot to neutralize the left. We need to understand that we are the sheep, they are the wolves. And the wolves do not understand politeness, but we need to make sure they get the fact that there is far more of us, and we should not be afraid to throw a punch to shut their mouths when they get out of hand. The past decade is a clear reminder of the clear and present danger that a big portion of the insane reactionary contingent in this country presents to all of us.

Trust you're really not advocating violence against the rightwing, but certainly we have to address
their decades of rightwing political violence. Evidently, the imbalance of power still prevents us
from doing that -- which keeps new attacks and new violence coming -- new fascism.

But I'll take exception to your comments on the "music."
They say the movement is over when the music stops.
If you consider how many dead musicians we have had and the power they had to bring out
youth against war, you might rethink that?

OTOH, we should take seriously Cheney's comments about how the right wing "creates the reality"
and we have to deal with it. I think that's very true from stolen elections to their fake right
wing religious movement here in America. The GOP gave start up funds for the Christian Coalition.
It's my opinion that was necessary because of the power of the 1960's Youth Revolution which was
an attack on war and all patriarchal authority -- religion -- our entire culture. From childbirth
to pollution of the planet. Patriarchy and its authority were crumbling. The response was a
right wing religious movement as a backlash.

Scaife financed Dobson's organization and other wealthy right wing Repugs funded Bauer's
organization. It's all fake. Just as fake as their heavily financed right wing think tanks
and their FreedomWorks "teabaggers."

Organized patriarchal religion is the underpinning for patriarchy -- a system intended to benefit
the few. It has long been used as a tool to co-opt and undermine other nations and peoples.
Still used today -- and we used it in Afghanistan to create the Taliban/Al Qaeda during the
Carter administration. We used them to "bait" the Russians into Afghanistan . . . "in hopes of
giving them a Vietnam type experience."

We also created the VIOLENT Islamic movement with violent writings created by US --
printed in books -- and shipped to spread the violent movement into Middle East.
More info on both those subjects, if you need it -
third article in my journal --

Agree with you re Cheney's "treason" . . .
but again, the prevailing wisdom seems to be that government is so completely corrupted by
right wing and has been for so long that there is no one with enough power to bring all of
these issues forward --

Not yet, anyway!!


Sigh !!

Happy New Year -- :)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:49 AM
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33. Thank you for this much needed reminder . . .
and all those who still think that Nader had anything to do with 2000 should

review the power behind this GOP "win."

The last count I heard in NJ took Bush down to +34 votes and the counting was stopped . . .

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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:49 PM
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45. It's rare that somebody gets it.
A lot of people, Nader-haters, don't want to talk about the massive criminal enterprise that was the Bush 2000 campaign. The fraud was truly monumental at all levels - local efforts at intimidation, state level caging and purging, and then of course the court case in which all nine judges had a conflict of interest (assuming they all voted.) What an embarrassment as a nation.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
85. Agree with all points -- -
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 08:05 PM by defendandprotect
That Nader was "scapegoated" would be a good understanding for DU'ers -- and I do think

more and more of them are getting it -- because it points to the reality that Nader has

always been feared not simply by GOP but feared and disdained by today's DLC/Democrats

because he tells the damned truth about them -- and has been doing so for decades!!

Thanks again for keeping this info in our memory!!



Just want to add another related issue to this which, perhaps, you'll give some thought --

The LARGE computers used by MSM began to come in during the mid-1960's . . .

Prior to that time, they were only able to REPORT acutal vote totals --

Yes, they had the occasional individual talking about likely votes, likely winners.

How particular areas were likely to go. But that was it.

When the LARGE computers came in it gave them the power to not only report totals but to

PREDICT vote totals -- and to PREDICT winning candidates --

It also gave them the power to CALL winning candidates and to CALL states for presidential

candidates by ELECTORAL VOTES --

I've never heard anyone discuss this ---

But in 2000, that power was all simply reversed as they UNCALLED Florida for Gore and

later RECALLED it for Bush!!

Coincidentally, the LARGE and small voting computers which remain hackable came in

about the same time that America was passing The Voting Rights Act!


Some think that this may have been one of the issues which Nixon was trying to hide --

Election theft by Computer -- during the Watergate scandals?

But I would certainly question every election back to Nixon/Humphrey for many reasons --





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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:52 AM
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35. Technically, that was the last decade.
This decade and century didn't start until 2001, if you believe the monks that designed the system.

Nonetheless, what we have seen over the last 10 years is definately defined by Florida 2000.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 11:17 AM
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37. This odious event cast the die for the future of our country
So many "event of the decade" articles are going to name the attack on America by Al Qaeda that most important event, but it's possible that it would never happened had the rightful president been put in office.

The selection of Bush by the Supreme Court normalized cheating and winning by any means, and our political discourse went even further down the toilet as a result.

It was such a tear in the fabric of our country, it's questionable if we will ever recover.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:49 PM
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42. Media Will Not Cover This
It would of course not in in the best interest of MSM's parent companies to report on these thefts so they don't. This is just so chilling - anyone with a brain knows things just haven't added up but it gets little or no press - even among most liberal talkers. Al Franken would get angry if anyone tried to broach this on his old show.

I was a poll watcher in 2004 and all signs did point to a big Kerry victory. My 6 or so republicans not in on the fix were crushed, democrats giddy. Then the results came in and amazingly it all got flipped.

At this point it seems clear that they got away with that and not a lot has changed.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #42
65. I wonder if Al has changed his mind since then
...since he got to see Repuke electoral fraud up close and personal (and fortunately for Minnesota, came out on top of it, though it took 9 goddamn months to do so)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #42
86. Also clear that the Democrats are doing nothing about it . . ..
Corzine set to pushing "absentee voting" here in NJ making it more normal voting --

and you don't have to reregister again and again --

GOP is trying to knock it out -- casting suspicion on home addresses as ID --!!!

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:18 PM
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44. Yes.
Frankly, the last decade has been a personal as well as a financial, political, and professional nightmare. Which all began as the contested election headed to the supreme court.

I'm more than glad to see the back of it.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:14 PM
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47. And the aftermath
when SCOTUS wasn't burned to the ground, and the justices taken into custody by the citizens and detained until justice could be served. The fact that we didn't rise up (like people in Venezuela, Mexico, and Ukrainse have recently done) gave the fascists ample evidence that they could do whatever they want to do with complete impunity and it has gotten worse ever since.

We are probably the weakest populace on Earth, with the possible exception of the Chinese masses.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:28 PM
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52. This is the
first thing that came to my mind. The repugs have been lying every since.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:37 PM
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54. That horror is why ever single power grab that illegal admin
took and every signing statement made and the patriot act and FISA should have been removed and all these wars ended.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:25 PM
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64. I have to agree.......
I thought what we were trying to do with voting Obama in was to clean that all up as well as to bring these criminals to justice.
Why are Americans still willing to let this slide?
War criminals are allowed to walk around free and congress leaves our Constitution still in shreds as wars are being escalated.
Traitors sit in courthouses that stole an election.
New war rhetoric is spewing forth while the war mongers beat the drums.
Where is the change?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:57 PM
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68. That's what I thought .
I seem to recall during the campaigns Obama said he was going to go through all the signing statements and power grabs GW put in line by line that broke the constitution and remove them. Yet at the same time Obama was calling Afghanistan the good war we had to win.

The only way we can even begin to climb out of this mess is begin there but this has not happened and now I see it won't. All GW put in place are the very reasons we are where we are right now.

Certainly most of what Reagan did and GHW did and some of what Clinton did as well has not helped any but the corporations.

I don't see how any politician who all swore to uphold the constitution can claim this when they have to know it has been shredded , then they should have stepped back and said , wait lets put in back in place first. So which version were they swearing on the old one or the shredded one?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:29 PM
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66. I don't consider ANY law signed by the Chimp to be valid.
Actually, pretty much everything done since 1980 should be repealed (yes including the shit that Clinton signed) but undoing the Chimp damage should be the first priority, and the fact that he never had any legal authority to do so seems like a solid basis for repealing it.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:45 PM
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56. This event, more than 9/11
stands as the most horrendous attack on America in the last decade, perhaps the last century.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:48 PM
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57. This is Sandra Day O'Connor's legacy. nt
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #57
99. Yes it is. She could have changed history for the better and saved millions of lives
if she had made a better choice.

Do you think it is something she thinks about or is it just water/blood over the dam?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 11:56 PM
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103. I'm glad you asked :)
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #103
104. Thanks. Interesting and well worth reading. nt
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A Physicist Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:06 PM
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61. Dale county Florida?
I know it's cut & paste so no error there but this may be an error in the original article.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:07 PM
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62. Great post n/t
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 04:12 PM
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71. Remember Remember
And lets not forget the other pretenses.


You gotta feel the love...


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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:04 PM
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73. I was in shock after the brazen election theft
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 05:05 PM by procopia
and that's when I first realized, Bushco was capable of anything...





"This angry mob, which successfully stopped the recount in Miami-Dade County during the 2000 election standoff, was portrayed by the media as an uprising by Florida voters.

Here are the identities of the protesters:

1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.).
2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice.
3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican Congressional Committee."
4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently of Voter.com.
5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now working at the consulting firm KPMG.
6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on the Bush campaign staff in Austin.
7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.).
8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House Resources Committee.
9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.).
10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross Lightfoot (R-Iowa) now at Steelman Health Strategies.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blfloridagopmob.htm

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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:30 PM
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98. I'd throw all 10 of 'em in JAIL!
:mad:
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:08 PM
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74. Maybe one day...
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:59 PM
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80. And thus the worst decade in American history began
I agree that the stolen election of 2000 determined the unfolding of the next 10 years. I cry whenever I think about where we'd be if Gore had been allowed to take his rightful place as president. Perhaps no 9/11, we'd be well on our way to energy independence, and so much more. The only downside is that Lieberman probably would have run for president in 2008 and who knows where that may have led.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:39 PM
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83. Yes it did. n/t
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:50 PM
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84. K&R. nt
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:15 PM
Original message
It was not close - the biggest rip off in history!
:puke:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:15 PM
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89. And it was all Nader's fault!
:sarcasm:

x 1,000,000

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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:15 PM
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92. Yes! The decade of fraud began with this event. Here's another...
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:19 PM
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93. I blame all ten of them wholeheartedly!
:mad:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 03:00 PM
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106. Ah yes, the "Brooks Bros Rebellion." Every last one should be viciously horsewhipped...

...in the village square yearly on the anniversary of their little tantrum.

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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:34 PM
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107. Works for me. I like it!
Thanks, Raster! :hi:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:21 PM
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94. The Age of the Bully
began...no facts, no reasoning, just stomping one's foot and throwing one's weight around. Thus begot throngs of the Willfully Ignorant.

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 10:03 PM
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101. The filthy five engaged in judicial activism.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 12:03 PM
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105. And in the biggest irony of all
for the first time in its history, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed oral arguments to be heard by the public (audio only) for one of its cases, via release of a tape for broadcast. http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,668052,00.html

Bush v. Gore would now be further enshrined into history.

I taped it when it was broadcast and recently found my tape while sorting stuff yesterday. :banghead:
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