It just doesn't matter -

[Joe for Clark]

(I want to be Bill Murray)

You are all right in the end.

But this little debate - here we agree on the end point- that it allowed people in power to literally get thousands killed -

AND we basically agree -

My god - those people managed to split christianity to do this - how did we ever allow that??

You may be christian, maybe not - but you see what happened here?? Cause we better make sure this never happens again.

That there are left wing christians - you have no idea. And they will never pull this shit again.

Joe

[Monkeyman]

1. Joe I am a Left Wing Christian But The Right Wing has taken over

[Joe for Clark]

4. I used to think so.

I was the average kid that went thru CCD trying to figure out how to get laid - all that.

I watched the Bu*h crap -with horror - and thought - I must be missing something.

We weren't missing anything, man. We got it right.

They just used us. Boy, are they going to be sorry about that.

I am as christian as I ever was - and they are too - so, ain't looking too good for them and the afterlife.

They were wrong - they used a religion to do their bidding - really.

There are a lot of us that think that now - and we are grouping together.

I don't think they are in trouble - I know it.

They did take over for a time - pendulm is coming the other way - watch it hit them in the ass.

Joe

[MissMarple]

2. I'm thinking you have a point.

I just hope we can wake people up in time to do something substantive. And where are our civics teachers?

[Monkeyman]

3. Gaged By The Right Wing

[Joe for Clark]

7. We are the civics teachers now -

In another incarnation in my family I would be the priest, probably.

Oh, it is the right argument.

When I say it doesn't really matter - many came to the same conclusions different ways.

But we all look at these little pricks claiming to be christians - and we know they screwed us.

They better remember what the country is really famous for - "Tar and Feathering"


We are not too damn happy what you did to our religion.


Joe

[MissMarple]

21. In a land far, far away, I could have been an abbess of a double monastery.

Yes, the Irish kind, before Rome took over the church in the British isles. Go figure, today, I am a deist. They have done that to us. I am not happy with the political dogma people.

[tnlefty]

5. I hope that your visit with your son went well!

I'm not trying to hijack your thread, but I haven't been on DU much lately....just waay too busy.

I wish that I could believe your "they'll never pull this shit again", but I do believe that will happen again. People much older than I who should've remembered the lessons of Nam, didn't and were gung ho for this current quagmire. :shrug:

[Joe for Clark]

8. Oh, It was great.

What a good little soldier boy.

He is such a decent kid.

Smart.

You know, I don't know that I feel the same way about Viet Nam as some do -

Kind of - the wrong war fought for the right reason - does that make sense??

I make room for that - I don't ever make judgements about those kids.

I stay away.

I thought the lesson we better learn from Viet Nam - is we better never fight a limited war ever again. It is not us. If we fight a war - it better be total - and it better be worth the cost. The real cost.

Viet Nam - I could understand it in a way - this one in Iraq- is pure stupidity.

Joe

[tnlefty]

11. I'm glad that you had a great visit with your son.

I think that both Nam and this clusterf*^k were/is pure stupidity.

[Monkeyman]

12. Yep I got shot up for nothing

[Joe for Clark]

16. Man, if you can get shot up for nothing - I am standing right

behind you!!!!

Hope I got shot up right, though.

If I didn't I am so out of line so fast.

Joe

[tnlefty]

17. Hey Monkeyman, how are you doing?

I wouldn't say for nothing just not for the myriad of reasons told to us by our government. I remember asking as a kid, then a pre-teen exactly why we were doing what we were doing in Viet Nam, and none of the adults had a good answer because the reasons kept changing until finally someone in govt. thought that the domino theory would work. I remember my oldest brother and my mother sweating out his lottery number during Nam, but both were gung ho for this lied into clusterf*^k!

The day that I asked my mother during a phone conversation just why we were in Iraq, and then mentioned to her all of the original reasons and she began to realize on her own that it was the same old shit, different decade she became very quiet over the phone to say the least. Will we ever learn?

[Joe for Clark]

13. Thanks -

Maybe your right.

I know war is very stupid - unless you have a REAL good reason. And there are very few such reasons.

I will still withhold judgement about Viet Nam - at least as opposed to this war.

As to the kids - they don't get to choose. I feel the same for all of them.

What are we discussing - stupidity versus insanity ?

You make a good point, you know.

Joe

[uppityperson]

6. I do not consider Fundamentalistchristians true Christians but imposters.

Words are easy, fast and cheap. Actions are what count. They are not Christians.

[Joe for Clark]

10. No, there are not.

But we figured it out - all us slow CCD students and the like - just took us a little while.

They will be running for cover about now.

I don't know - do they figure they have something to fear from us - maybe - they have a hell of a lot to answer for to christ. Glad I am not them.

Joe

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. Religion is the opiate of the masses.

[Joe for Clark]

14. That so -

What if it is true??

Neither of us know.

I did this once - but it is in fact a 50-50 thing. Is a god or there isn't.

You take those odds???

I wouldn't.

Joe

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Religion placates the masses. It justifes it's injustices. I am immune from that.

My Atheism doesn't kill people. Religion kills people. The onus is on you to prove god exist, since you believe <he> does. It's not for me to prove. I don't claim there is a god.

[Joe for Clark]

18. Oh, we don't have to prove anything.

It is a 50-50 thing, buddy.

If he doesn't exist - you have nothing to worry about. If he does - well.

SO you can understand - if he does exist -if I lived right - I am ok - if I did the right thing - and if he doesn't, won't matter.

Not true for you though - necessarily.

You get the point.

I'll tell you - do the right thing - and I don't think it matters anyway.

My grand uncles a saint - guess I can do that and get away with it. It is true to me, none-the-less.

Just do the right thing.

Rest is crap.

Joe

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. Buddy? LOL! Yes you do have to prove something. You believe, you have to prove it.

I don't need an invisible sky daddy to make me live right. You however, must need that. So the onus is on you. Religion is crap.

[Joe for Clark]

22. But I don't.

Look we all die one day and maybe your right - maybe.

Then again maybe not.

I can be wrong -and it will not matter a lick.

But if you are wrong - it can matter a lot.

It is that diminishing return thing.

Blue state - I do wish you well - I wish no harm to any one.

I am no evengelical - could never do that.

But you do the right thing - I don't think it matters any way.

DO the right thing.

Believe in god or not - he will too - if he exists - right???

Joe

[Rex]

20. A schism for modern Christians.

It seems to be at least to me.