Will Obama move more leftward once Health Care "Reform" is passed?

[Cetacea]

Your thoughts?

[whathehell]

1. I don't have any great hopes on that.

[Oregone]

2. Why would he?

If he can pass a center-right health reform and still ride safely in the polls, what reasoning would he have to move leftward?

[Cetacea]

24. True, that.

[xultar]

3. ROFL, he is what he is. Why can't people get that? He is not progressive, he is a moderate.

[RainDog]

5. he's not a moderate. or at least he hasn't governed like one

he's governed like a toady to the religious right.

[xultar]

10. Well whatever....my point is people need to quit wishin he'd be something he isn't and

move the fuck on.

[Laelth]

16. Why? I ask sincerely and respectfully. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[xultar]

52. HYou'll just be disapointed is all...

[RainDog]

37. he promised to uphold the constitution. and got lots of applause when he said it

because he was talking about stopping the policies of Bush and Cheney.

but torture is still "legal."

not an easy one to move the fuck on from.

pretty big one.

same thing with the give away to big pharma and the insurance cos on the backs of the middle class. same thing with the wall street giveaway - both with no controls.

while, at the same time, coming down hard on the auto industry and its union employees. they actually made a freakin' product, not just parcel up bullshit paper and tell the world it's gold.

but the truth is, I am moving the fuck on.

because I recognize that Obama is not walking the walk.

[mitchtv]

51. I've moved on

I quickly learned to expect nothing. I wasn't disappointed.

[JVS]

30. Not the economic right?

I've seen insurance companies and banks get billions. What religious organizations got paid so nicely.

[sendero]

6. He's not a moderate..

... he's a DINO.

[laughingliberal]

8. Yeah, he'd have to move a little left to qualify as 'moderate.' nt

[L0oniX]

4. If you hold your breath for too long you will pass out.

[laughingliberal]

7. Oh, sure. Just kidding. Not very damned likely. nt

[Marr]

9. HA!

No. You may as well ask if your Celica is going to turn into a Lexus.

[Jamastiene]

11. I hope so, but I have my doubts. n/t

[donco6]

12. Pfft. Why on earth would anyone think that?

Not a chance in hell.

[The Gunslinger]

13. nope

[G_j]

14. from the looks of things

he'll probably move further to the right

[Cetacea]

23. I believe you are right. nt

[Individualist]

58. That wouldn't surprise me at all

He's been following DLC's agenda ever since he was elected.

[G_j]

59. and.. you can't turn the Titanic around quickly

or whatever that stupid saying is.

The direction has been to the right. I don't see any signs of changing course.

[Skittles]

15. no

[flvegan]

17. As nice as that would be, it's hilarious to consider.

[Edweird]

18. LOL

[El Supremo]

19. Will Sarah Palin ever shut up?

Face it we don't have a Progressive as President.

[Cetacea]

22. There was a huge meth bust in Wasilla a few days ago.

So it is possible...

[Mojambo]

20. Once my husband gets past his stressful time at work he'll stop hitting me.

Yes, I know the comparison is over the top.

[rwheeler31]

21. I think he will try to keep his majority in congress, it will be

all about the economy, a little reform but not any big votes.

[Faryn Balyncd]

27. If the Senate bill passes, it will destroy the Democratic majority, along with the middle class.

[elocs]

25. Why should he?

To paraphrase Popeye: "He is what he is and that's all that he is". I think too many of us expected Obama to be what we wanted him to be and he turned out to be what he is.

[Kaleva]

42. +1

[highplainsdem]

56. Too many of us believed him when he said he was in favor of a public option, reimportation of drugs,

and so on.

[Faryn Balyncd]

26. If the Senate bill is passed, it will be too late.

[GodDamLiberal]

28. After Labor Day

When the polls are looking bad he'll give a series of left leaning speeches.
They'll be like his support for the Public Option that can be denied if he wants later.

[depakid]

31. May well go like that- but it had better be before Labor Day

if the administration expects to have boots on the ground....

[dflprincess]

48. Hopefully, people will expect some action

and not just fall for pretty speeches again.

Fool me once...

[Blasphemer]

55. I think they will actually throw a few bones as election day approaches

They will realize how much they need Democrats to go out and vote and they will be forced to actually take some leftist actions.

[WT Fuheck]

29. bwahahaahahaha ha ha ha

that was a good one!

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

[varelse]

32. My thoughts? Honestly?

:rofl:

[sam sarrha]

33. looks to me the "Health Care Reform" will drag Obama into O'Liely's bed.. why do you think it will

go left any time soon.. with all the 'appeasing' or ass kissing of the obstructionists

[Cetacea]

39. I don't think anything is moving left.

I think the bigger question is do presidents have any control over the military any more? Did they ever after Ike?

[sam sarrha]

45. yea... the military is in control in every fucked up country..

[TheWatcher]

34. No. He Will Not.

[New Dawn]

35. No, he will continue to be a DINO.

[dysfunctional press]

36. just the opposite in fact...this healthcare reform is as good as it's going to get for the left...

now it's time to start wooing the centrists and those to their right for the next two selection cycles.

[madrchsod]

38. no..he`s stuck in the middle

[Kaleva]

40. Why? The vast majority of liberals already approve of him.

[nevergiveup]

41. Obama is a moderate with a tendency to lean left at times.

This is what he has always been and it astounds me that there are those here who thought he would be the liberal savior. If you listened to his campaign speeches or read "The Audacity of Hope" his political leanings are very obvious. For those who believe he is right center then just watch who he nominates for Supreme Court vacancies and stop nitpicking and look at the big picture when it comes to his policy decisions. Obama is not right center, never has been and will likely never be.

[anonymous171]

44. Of course. That is why we need to force him leftward. nt

[anonymous171]

43. He won't move leftward unless we make him. nt

[dflprincess]

49. If all the letters, emails, and phone calls didn't work for health care

what makes you think he'll listen to us in the future?

[anonymous171]

50. Actually what I mean is that we should threaten to vote for someone else

if he refuses to go left.

[unkachuck]

46. I believe....

....Obama is keeping his powder dry, husbanding his energy and political capital, for an all-out progressive thrust to help secure the right to vote for women....

[DFW]

47. I'll go with my heart instead of my head on this one

I'll go out on a limb and say I think he might. Enough Democratic insiders that get to talk to him realize
that every time he extends a hand to the opposition, it gets bitten. At some point, he either stops extending
that hand or starts losing fingers. I'm hoping he's bright enough to figure that out, even if Rahm Emmanuel
is not.

[Toasterlad]

53. Why On Earth Would He Do That?

He's got his polls which supposedly prove that Democrats are overjoyed with him, everyone knows the Republicans are going to bitch at him no matter what, and nobody gives a shit what independents think until it's election time.

No one is holding Obama accountable for selling out the country, so why should he change his corporatist agenda?

[Tailormyst]

54. Why would he?

I have zero hope or confidence left in his administration. He's a nice guy, gives a good speech, other then that, meh.

[Karmadillo]

57. No, but he might be willing to give the left a speech or a summit or something.

nt

[mdmc]

60. NO

he will march rightward. We will be running vs. a teabagger in 2012 for sure. I just hope they keep Palin dry for 2016.