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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 05:31 AM
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The fired FB coach of Texas Tech doesn't even crack the scale of worst coaches:
1. Mark Downs Jr.

A thousand Bobby Knights coaching for a thousand years couldn’t pile up enough dark deeds to touch the devilry this T-ball coach—that’s right, T-ball—conjured one afternoon in Dunbar, Pennsylvania. On that 2005 day, 27-year-old Mark Downs Jr. offered one of his Falcons a cash bonus to injure a player on his own team. Downs instructed 8-year-old Keith Reese Jr. to use the pregame warm-up to bean 9-year-old Harry Bowers, who was autistic and visually impaired, so he couldn’t take the field in a crucial playoff game. Explains Keith: “Mark told me that if I hit Harry in the face with the ball, he’d pay me $25 and then Harry would be out of the game.” When his first attempt nailed his teammate in the groin, Downs told Keith to “try hitting him harder.” The next ball struck Harry’s ear, drawing blood and sending him to the hospital. Downs, father of four (including two girls who played for the Falcons), was charged with criminal solicitation to commit aggravated assault. Harry’s mom says the incident left her son scared of sports. Final score: Evil 1, Humanity 0.

5, 4, 3. George Gibney, Frank McCann, Derry O’Rourke

For those serial sexual predators in Ireland who never received the calling to become priests, there was another vocation that provided unchecked authority over defenseless young people: swim coach! First came George Gibney, leader of the Irish national and Olympic team, who was arrested in 1993 and charged with raping seven young swimmers (boys and girls both). In the same month Gibney was charged, his friend and colleague Frank McCann was himself arrested for the murder of his wife and foster child. McCann had set his house ablaze with his family inside to prevent his wife from learning that he had fathered a child with one of his teenage swim students. And yet neither Gibney, who was later acquitted, nor McCann can lay claim to being Ireland’s vilest swim coach: That honor belongs to Gibney’s successor, Derry O’Rourke, a two-time Olympic coach who pleaded guilty in 1997 to the sexual assault and rape of twelve girls, eleven of them under the age of 15.

15. Micah Grimes

During his fourth year as coach of the Covenant School girls’ basketball team, Micah Grimes told his team that their main goal was to “love each other.” Apparently, loving thy neighbor was not part of the program. Last January the Lady Knights handed Dallas Academy, a school for students with “learning differences,” the drubbing of the millennium—a 100–0 defeat. Parents and an assistant coach reportedly cheered wildly as the blowout approached triple digits. Grimes was fired, but he’ll be okay. “Gloating tormentor of the meek” is an alluring qualification to list on any job application.

19 and 18. Bob Farley and Shaun Farr

A few summers back, in Bountiful, Utah, two PONY-league baseball teams, made up of 9- and 10-year-olds, met in the championship game. The Yankees, coached by Farley and Farr, led by a run in the bottom of the last inning. There were two outs and a runner on third. The Red Sox’s best hitter was at the plate. On deck was Romney Oaks, a scrawny kid who was a notoriously weak batter. His team tended to forgive his lousy play, since Romney had a pretty good excuse: From the age of 4, he had undergone treatment for a malignant brain tumor, and the toxic doses of radiation had left him frail. Assessing the game situation, coach Farley consulted with assistant coach Farr, then strode to the mound and told his pitcher to intentionally walk the slugger and pitch to the sick boy. Parents were stunned. Romney’s 8-year-old sister cried. Romney fought back tears himself, then struck out on three pitches. The Yankees win, THEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!

11. Dave Bliss

As Baylor’s head basketball coach, Bliss committed acts of moral depravity so mind-boggling they actually overshadowed A MURDERER! ON HIS TEAM!! WHO KILLED A TEAMMATE!!! In June 2003, one of Bliss’s players, forward Patrick Dennehy, was found dead. A teammate, Carlton Dotson, eventually admitted to killing Dennehy, but not before Bliss ordered his staff and players to slander the deceased by spreading rumors that he’d been dealing drugs to pay for school. Bliss was vainly attempting to mask the fact that he had improperly paid the tuition—a major NCAA no-no—of two players, including Dennehy.
http://www.gq.com/sports/lists/200909/meanest-coaches-belichick-isiah-thomas-bob-knight-despicable-slideshow#slide=2

A lot of these stories were well reported at the time.

I have coached and refereed basketball, coached and umpired softball, and umpired LL baseball. I don't believe that players should be babied or taught not to try. However, I also believe that part of sportsmanship is recognizing when you have passed the bounds of fair play no matter what the rules say.



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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 06:05 AM
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1. Punishing a college athlete for having a concussion is unacceptable.
His subsequent behavior was even worse.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:14 AM
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3. I agree.
However, there was never a proper investigation by the university. There has been a lot of info from a lot of people flying around the internet and other places. I don't know exactly what to believe.

The university had issues with Leach, and fired him on Thursday because if he was still an employee the next day, they would owe him $800,000. That in effect declared him guilty without what I consider giving him a chance to give his side of the story. If he deserves it, then he should be held accountable.

Read this article by Sally Jenkins. She is a good sports reporter for the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/30/AR2009123002278.html

The incident needs to be sorted out with a proper investigation. As it is now, Leach is a pariah. The James family is getting death threats because people don't believe what they hear and are crazy anyway.

The other IRONY about this whole situation is that Texas Tech hired Bobby Knight. He has never been an exemplar of coaching behavior in some ways.

And as far as some players being happy he is gone, there are a lot of coaches who would elicit the same reaction if they were fired today. That includes a lot of well-known and respected names.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:03 PM
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9. If that's what happened you are correct.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 06:43 AM
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2. Woody is a pecker
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 06:44 AM by Ptah
10. Woody Hayes

In his thirty-three-year head-coaching career, twenty-eight of those
at Ohio State, Woody Hayes frequently beat the snot out of his
players during practice. He pummeled TV cameramen and photographers.
He was so pathologically violent, he once slashed his own face with
a ring after a loss. During the 1978 Gator Bowl, with the clock winding
down in what would be his final game as a coach, the 65-year-old Hayes
clotheslined Clemson’s Charlie Bauman following his game-clinching interception.
When one of his own players tried to restrain Hayes, he got socked, too.
At Hayes’s funeral, close friend and fellow national disgrace Richard Nixon
delivered the eulogy: “The incident…in 1978 would have destroyed an ordinary man.
But Woody was not an ordinary man.”

---------
1978 Gator Bowl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf0ft3I
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rampart Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:19 AM
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4. building character
isn't the coach's job to build character?
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:25 AM
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5. How about letting this play out before rushing to judgement?
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 08:30 AM by Ex Lurker
Things are not always what they seem. Remember the Duke Lacrosse case? I'm not a fan of Texas Tech and have no connection with the school, but this is starting to look like a witch hunt, with the flames being fanned by ESPN, rallying around their employee Craig James. The facts are still very much in dispute, and as someone else has pointed out, the school already had a vendetta against Leach for reasons unrelated to this incident. The ESPN coverage of all this has been extremely one sided, and calls into question their objectivity. It will all come out in court, and things may look very different then.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:46 AM
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6. It's hell when a coach has to deal with an interfering parent
I've been on both sides of the issue. I coached kids football and basketball teams and more than once I was threatened by dads who thought their kids should have a bigger role on the team. I'm a fairly big guy so I was able to deal with these situations fairly easily.

Later on, when my kid was playing football in HS I became a frustrated jock parent myself. It took a gentle reminder by the mom of another player, a woman whose opinions I valued highly, to convince me I was acting like an asshole. He got a full ride to a Division 1 university but wasn't very successful due to injuries and the fact that the competition was greater at that level. BY that time I had learned to back off and to tell the truth I was not unhappy to see him give up the sport in his junior year.

I've dealt with pain in the ass dads and I've been one. Of course I never met any dad who had the influence of Craig James with a whole network standing beside him and echoing his opinions, right or wrong. It's a nightmare for any coach.

And I remember Leach being praised a year or two ago for having great success with some rather unconventional coaching methods. I really don't think he belongs on any list of crappy coaches. At least, he doesn't begin to compare with the douchebags on this list.
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BigBluenoser Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:22 PM
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11. Absolutely...
It looks more and more to me like this was an opportunistic ploy by several movers and shakers to get rid of a coach they did not like.

ESPN should feel proud, they manufactured the news and conned most of the nation to go along with their "truth".

The only person who is going to come out ahead on this is Leach. He'll get big bucks from TT and new job at a Southern or MW school. Daddy James is a laughing stock, and his poor kid is going to be taking it for the rest of his "career". ESPN looks stupid and the Admin at TT look treacherous.

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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:56 PM
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13. Not a witch hunt, not manufactured...
During last night's Alamo Bowl game and during the halftime (yes, I agree that this story has dominated the ESPN news ad nauseum), but after seeing that Leach immediately trotted out his mouthpiece to smear the James kid and then was such a furtive, guilty-looking character himself when he finally spoke about this. Then after reading the excerpts from the sworn affidavits of the TTU doctors and trainers that completely contradicted everything Leach was trying to sell, I reached my own conclusions. It was the same conclusion I reached about R. Milhouse Nixon when he swore "I am not a crook." Leach may be a great offensive coach and a great recruiter, but as a human being or as a physician he is a dismal failure. Even the little elf with a lisp, Lou Holtz, had to agree you do not interfere with the medical treatment of an athlete. The quotes attributed to Leach by the doctors and trainers are really appalling. Funny that the star QB when he had a similar concussion earlier in the season received none of this treatment from Leach.


"I have no complaints about this decision. put Adam in a shed like an animal. Like an animal in a cage. That was bull," defensive lineman Chris Perry said. "You call other players. I think it was a good decision. We have our pep back now. We practice hard this week. We had less stress this week. You know why? Because he's gone."

Wide receiver Tramain Swindall said he supported the decision to fire Leach.
"I do agree and I'm supporting Adam and what he's doing because it's the right thing to do," Swindall told the AP in a telephone interview.
Swindall said he believes Leach was at times out of line in how he treated players.
"And so do most of the players," he said. "It wasn't just about Adam. It was always a negative vibe."

Said cornerback Taylor Charbonnet: "The players make this team, not one coach. As Adam's friend, I didn't like it at all what did. He was my brother and I didn't agree with it. I don't know why did that. But I know we are fully behind coach Ruffin . We love him and support him."



Just my dos centavos

robdogbucky
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:12 AM
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7. Wow
Just wow. I used to coach 7-8 year olds in baseball. They were fun, even the bad players. These guys are nuts.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:47 PM
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8. "Charlie Bradshaw ran the Kentucky Wildcats football program the way Dick Cheney...
...ran the Bush presidency—with brutality, secrecy, and not a lot of success."

:)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:10 PM
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10. I don't particularly have a problem with 18 and 19
Presumedly the young boy was playing baseball to be treated like everyone else. Had anyone else been on deck the other team would have done what they did. Written as a person who was terrible at baseball without the good excuse that young man has.
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BigBluenoser Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:24 PM
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12. I'm also confused as to how that amounts to being a terrible coach...
n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 03:11 PM
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14. And what kind of manager bats a Romney Oaks right behind his slugger in the first place?
:shrug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 03:13 PM
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15. I had honestly wondered about that
I batted, for very good reason, at the very bottom of the order. The slugger, ie the one who hit furthest was number 4. the one who hit most consistently was number 1 meaning he followed me, not I, him.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 03:22 PM
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16. #1 really pisses me off for reason one can see in my sig line.
:grr:
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