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irishlover Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:22 AM
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Government is an illusion. It's really Lord of the Flies.
Until we acknowledge that fact, we are powerless against the transnational corporations who decide what we see, what we read, what we buy and what we are supposed to fear. OK, not much new here to those who have been paying attention but consider this: we are frustrated with spineless politicians, denigrate Obama for caving to corporate interests, scream about tax dollars going to banks and "wars" we do not support and worry that the Dems will lose badly in elections in 2010 for all of the above. And yet, we do nothing but write stuff.

I do not believe what we have now can be considered government by consent, therefore all this is an illusion. As envisioned by the writers of the Constitution, the three separate branches with their own specific powers would have worked if ever it had been taken seriously over 200 years ago. The ink wasn't even dry before the deals were being made in back rooms. We are human beings, constantly worried about self preservation and under structures such as our Constitution, so revered and "defended", we are constrained in that pursuit of self preservation. We are told we have voices through our representatives; we have none. We are told our elected leaders protect and defend the Constitution; they do not. We are told we have "freedom"; instead we are spied upon, taken for fools to subsidize bailouts and wars and our kids can't even get out of the military when their time is up. That is not freedom. That is slavery.

I still believe we must vote, if only for the MSM to have something to report. I still believe we need to support the idea of governance by elected officials, but on our terms, not theirs or their corporate backers. But more importantly, I believe we need to organize in our own communities, be they urban, rural or some mix thereof. I'm talking local action. If your school board wants to shove religion in your kid's face, remove your kids and do not pay property taxes. If your elected officials will not address poverty/joblessness/homelessness in your community, do it yourself and shame them publicly in the process. If you do not want to buy a watered down, useless, health care "product" from a rapacious corporation, don't and let them get all tangled up trying to fine you, arrest you, collect from you.

There are more of us than there are of them. They can only detain and arrest thousands. We number in the millions. Why is it not possible for us to prevail? I bet there are lots of answers to that and I'm sure I've heard them all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:27 AM
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1. My representatives represent me- both locally in the state house and in D.C.
on about 90 to 95% of issues.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:03 AM
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4. Considering the government might actually do something right 5 to 10% of the time; on occasion.
Really shows what side of the struggle your illusion loving twisted logic is on; but then, what's the point of being a conservative if you can't feel good about being wrong most of the time.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:10 AM
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9. uh, if you had a lick of sense, genius, you would have asked who my
my reps are. duh. My Senators are Pat Leahy and Bernie Sanders and my rep is Peter Welch.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:30 AM
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12. I could care less who your reps are cali
You are still a defender of illusions; a wannabe sheepdog and keeper of the faith / paradigms. Not to say that you won’t support both sides of an extreme when it supports a political agenda, much like the bankers would support both sides of a war if it increases their profits. But what I think sets you apart from most other DUers is your clueless arrogance and demeaning character towards those who have more sense and more of a clue then yourself.

Oh and by the way, take a look at your sig line “dog, I hate stupid.” Did you make that up yourself? Well I hate to be the one to tell you this but; it’s not good to hate yourself.





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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:48 AM
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8. And mine represent me about 5% of the time. n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:52 AM
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2. The why is in the strategy of divide and conquer.
And they do all kinds of things to keep it that way.
The not only divide us Conservative and liberal but then divide the liberals and co-op their organizations.
Some of these things are obvious and some subtle.

And the whole purpose of events that we witness today are arranged to discourage the progressive leaning people so they will say to themselves "aw just fuck it and party like it is 2012. We can't win"

And I think you can see it right here on DU.
Because if we did organize on the local level we could change this nation and make it live up to it's ideals.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:56 AM
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3. this topic's buzzing around my head
the fly in the ointment is that we have been programmed to be sheeple, not people.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:46 AM
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5. Truth is the Religion of Consensus
It doesn’t take a great deal of psychological research to discover that the conservative way of thinking is synonymous with the authoritarian (subjective) way of thinking, and at its worst it is the antitheses of critical thinking; but this seems to be the more natural way of thinking, but it is also reinforced by religious as well as political ideologues that can’t profit or pilfer from a society that is educated to be independent critical thinkers who are diligent towards knowing the facts. Of course right wing religious extremist give us the perfect example of how the mind can treat epic myths as something objective, while at the same time treating the objective as if it were the devil trying to deceive them; therefore reasonable thinking will dictate that religion is not the problem but rather a symptom of the problem, which is the conservative / authoritarian way of thinking promoted for personal gain by those who control the strings of information, culture and government. We could also call it the Santa Clause syndrome, because humans love to believe in things that aren’t real; and their taught to do this before they ever learn how to put two and two together; unfortunately this becomes the basis of their cognitive abilities, thus illusions become their guarded reality.

Too the degree a society is not skilled at critical thinking, predators become empowered; and combined with their skills of deception; turning objective reality into opinions that can be disputed, means that they can turn reality on its head for large portions of society, and for those who lack the proper skills of critical thinking, truth will become a matter of consensus; accepted not on the merits of objectivity, but rather on who speaks it.

And anything our political leaders tell us couldn’t possible be based on lies, after all, the evidence is clear that; truth is the religion of consensus, and dictated by the unelected powers that be (UPTB) and their corporately owned conservative biased, fraud, propaganda, fake news and entertainment machine, aka the M$M; and the venal politicians that are allowed too use this pulpit on the path to election, must champion and validate a myriad of manufactured truths and myths that spew from the dens of thieves, so as to give it the effect of being the monolith of objectivity, justice and noble causes. And the manufactures of fictitious truths and illusions, are also the controllers of political debate, the deciders of our elections, and the keepers of indoctrinated paradigms taught in our so called educational institutions. Unfortunately truth and elections in America no longer has anything to do with actual facts, honesty nor love of justice; as it is all about consensus and faith in what we are told…

Faith that our politicians would never lie to or deceive us; faith that a bunch of Neanderthal knuckle dragging cave dwellers hate us for our freedom; faith that they hate Jews, Christians and Americans just for the sake of hating; faith that we armed and trained them and now fight and kill them all in the name of freedom and Democracy; faith that their leaders were not once the tyrannical products and puppets of American intervention; faith that our chickens didn’t come home to roost on 911; and faith that it has nothing to do with the fact that these war shattered countries are soaked with the blood of innocence as well as being saturated with the property of those who plunder for noble causes - Shell, Exxon, Mobile oil et al and etc; but most important to what we believe as being true, is that there be a consensus in our faith towards our leaders as well as the dark blood soaked paths of plunder they have us faithfully follow.

So much so has our trust and faith in our leaders been violated by false pretenses which have led us away from the truth and too the aid of repressive tyrants; faith and trust has been turned into lethal weapons of mass deception; faith has become the antithesis of understanding, and trust the resolve of fools. The consequences of faith and trust have been unjustifiable death and destruction in far off lands and we the sheepeople will get the bill…


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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:01 AM
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6. I think the operative phrase is "what we have now".
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 09:56 AM by clear eye
It wasn't always this way, and it may still be possible to take the country back if we organize to rescind the structural changes that have been made. Issues are important, but progress on them is impossible when the only hands on the controls are an elite who bullied themselves into the position for reasons other than the well-being of humankind and the planet we're linked to.

What is painful to see is the world the next generation may find itself in. I have two lovely nieces just reaching adulthood.

Our interests and the interests of the elite are widely divergent. To the PTB, the destruction of the middle and working classes is not the end of the country. For these heirs of the attempted military coup against FDR, the programs which we consider the foundation underpinning a livable middle class are a deprivation of the "freedom" of capital. They don't see their wealth and power, the multi-national corporations, as dependent upon a representative U.S. gov't protecting their interests, as our survival is, or even as dependent upon a thriving economy. They can consolidate wealth and control resources (which is power) best in countries where everyone else is a desperate class of serfs and the gov't doesn't have the resources to regulate the use of resources in the public interest. They may not have more wealth than they would in places where the populace is fairly prosperous, but they will have ALL the wealth which is their motivating force.

Evidence of this is the absence of a push from the big corporate interests for large-scale jobs programs or a push for even the stimulus of single-payer healthcare, or any effort to rescue the real economy. They don't want a restoration of jobs until the jobs will be on their terms, ie. slave labor. They're not looting the country in advance of its economic collapse, but to CAUSE its economic collapse, and a big part of that effort was the ruinous Iraq occupation along w/ many other corrupt ways of siphoning the Treasury. I think this is the direction of Rahm Emmanuel's marching orders, whether or not he realizes it, as he attempts to court corporate capital for the Dems by aligning the party's goals w/ theirs.

I view all these acts of war against the middle class through the lens of what happened in the lead up to the bank bailout. Wall Street was in even more trouble than the insurance cos. are today. As Cheney and Summers prepared to tell Congress that the entire borrowing power of the Treasury had to be funneled into Wall Street institutions, they must have worried that the public would actually, physically revolt. They knew there was good reason to, considering the consequences for the citizenry.

They did two things. They had the Army Times run a piece I saw but didn't save. The Colorado Independent describes it thusly, "In September the Army Times reported that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team — a unit based in Fort Stewart, Ga., that most recently spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle gear — would be put under the control of Northern Command, located on Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs." http://coloradoindependent.com/13321/elite-combat-brigade-for-homeland-security-missions-raises-ire-of-aclu From what I saw of the article, the brigade was to be trained specifically in crowd control weapons including the infamous sound cannon, and used to maintain order in the U.S. during "emergencies". (They didn't explain what was meant by that word.) About a week after Congress passed the bailout and civil unrest did not materialize, the article was removed from the Army Times website, and a retraction was put up saying that the training was to be used overseas. Since we've seen the sound cannon later set up at the G20 mtg in Pittsburgh, that's not entirely true.

At the same time as the populace was being intimidated, two members of Congress, Marcy Kaptur & Brad Sherman, reported that the WH liason personnel attempted to intimidate Congress w/ whispered threats of impending martial law including dissolution of Congress if the bailout were not immediately passed.

The additional looting of the Treasury to pay to subsidize out-of-control insurance premiums will be like an ongoing bank bailout all year, every year. Massachusetts, which tried a similar plan, was going under financially even before the economic crisis hit. The costs for this along w/ the wars and other ongoing corporate subsidies threaten both our currency, and the existence of a middle class in this country as the taxes needed to finance it, and the services lost in desperate budget-cutting, ruin family after family. The combined impact might very well cause the sort of runaway hyperinflation that Argentina experienced in the 1990's, as the Federal Reserve attempts to print enough money to keep afloat all the U.S. Treasury bonds that will have to be issued.

On bad days, my worst fear is that any mass uprising will be far from progressive. Since the MSM is for the most part blacking out what the real power equation is, the public is getting its understanding from the neo-con agenda provided to the teabaggers and from Fox News, and will blame the out of control costs on gov't "socialism", the poor, and corruption (implying the stolen money all goes into Dem officials' pockets). When our country is in a state of unrest, given the ongoing gen'l surveillance, our leaders could be arrested as "terrorists" before they can effectively get their message out to a large audience. When the leftwing was blocked in Arab countries what emerged were totalitarian Islamic regimes. If we get riots they are more likely to be in favor of some generals who say they will fix the corruption. The outcome would be a camouflaged military coup ala Pakistan, where the President remains in office, but Congress is sent home and the generals consult w/ the President instead. Or they will back civilian fascists masquerading as neocons who run against the insurance mandate and steal the balance of the elections needed for a ruling majority. In all this, the Democratic Congress, who merely went along, could be targeted as the fall guys.

I don't think the ruling elite actually expect a functional representative democracy to be in place in 10 years. They've never shown any allegiance to having one.

In the meantime if I can see that a bill is a final blow to our economy, I'm going to oppose it. If I don't go w/ the public interest on this, what the heck do I stand for?

It's so much easier to destroy a valuable institution than it is to maintain it. This is what's at stake w/ giant corporate handouts like the ruinous "healthcare reform" legislation, but, though most of the Dem Congress is uneasy about the lack of cost controls and favored better provisions, I don't believe we can convince them of the consequences.

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As I allowed these ideas to organize themselves in my mind this weekend, I turned to music for consolation. Perhaps I can make up to DUers for causing you to think about this stuff, too, by sharing w/ you, courtesy YouTube, my favorite Tracy Chapman song which offers support for living w/ integrity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4xJdv0CSDE
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:39 AM
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7. I think you get it.n/t
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irishlover Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:56 AM
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10. Some of you got me all wrong
I am and always have been a progressive and way past the liberal left. I am sorry my post wasn't clearer for some of you. I'll really work harder in the future. I would like our illusion of government to work as it may have been intended, or at least in principle, the way we all have been taught. It's true there are responsive representatives in congress. I was speaking for what I felt was a majority of citizens who I know who write, call, fax, email and yes, even hit the streets from time to time.
I'm finding in my small community (in Florida, need I say more? and no, I don't have Grayson in my district)that meaningful action is coming from people, not agencies busy protecting their turf nor officials busy protecting their seats. Maybe that's the way back, bottom up. Most of us sure have the time these days.
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Cassandra2010 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:06 AM
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11. The spirit of resistance to tyranny
"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

- Frank Zappa
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