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happy_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:29 PM
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Obama, Progressives and the Press
(interview by Mike Whitney with Cindy Sheehan)

The senate just passed the $636 billion Pentagon budget on Friday which extends the controversial US Patriot Act. Obama is expected to sign the bill sometime this week. Why is America trying to trying to "liberate" Iraq and Afghanistan, when it is spying on its people at home?

Cindy Sheehan: First of all, "liberation" was not a goal of the invasions. We, the gullible, were told that we were going into Afghanistan to get Osama and Iraq because Saddam had WMD and a connection to al Qaeda. When those rationales were proven false, we were then told that it was to liberate the people. Now in Afghanistan, we are told we are "protecting the women." The phony war on terror has been used to steal our liberties in a full-frontal assault since 9-11 and Obama voted to reauthorize the USA PATRIOT ACT when he was a Senator, and voted for the FISA modernization act, which gave broad authority to the government to spy on our electronic communications and gave telecom companies immunity. I not only see this as passive stealing of our liberties, but the United Police States of America is increasing in physical oppression, also. I'll be interested to see how the Police State will handle my new action: Peace of the Action.

You know a lot of people across the country. What's the mood among Obama supporters? Have they thrown in the towel already or do they still think he'll turn out to be the leader they hoped he would be?

Cindy Sheehan: I lost a lot of friends when B.O. became president and it was a lonely 6 months after he was elected. I wrote a new book called Myth America (short title) and I started to travel around the country in April doing book events. For the first time since my activism started, people walked out on my presentations because I was telling them that it was the system -- not the person who infests the White House. However, by the end of my book tour in August, the crowds were growing and more enthusiastic and less gaga-eyed over Obama. Then I started touring again in September and the discontent is growing. I am happy about that. The ones that upset me the most are the so-called leaders of the "progressive" movement like Tom Hayden, CODEPINK and Michael Moore who very enthusiastically endorsed, worked for, voted for, and raised money for Obama, and NOW are beginning to speak out against his carnage, when in fact, Obama has always been very pro-war. Once the horse is out of the barn, it's hard to get him back in. The movement should never have given him a "chance." Things are so much worse in foreign policy almost a year into his regime.

read more
http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney12242009.html
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:34 PM
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1. Well, Cindy at least is consistent.
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happy_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:45 PM
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2. Cindy is still out there leading protests
if anyone at DU would like to join in...

Facebook Deletes Cindy Sheehan's Invite to CIA Drone Protest
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/brenda-norrell/2010/01/facebook-deletes-cindy-sheehans-invite-cia-drone-protest

The Protest Planned for March and the Status of America
http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=15433

Why don't I read about Cindy on DU anymore? She is the only one protesting and she needs people to join her in force...we are letting the media successfully squash what is left of the antiwar movement. I have the feeling that Obama(unlike Bush) might actually respond if millions of people marched on the White House.
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happy_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:41 PM
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3. CIA drone protest is January 16
Camp In protest begins March 13
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:12 AM
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10. yes, and the anti war march in DC is March 20
knr for Cindy
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happy_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 01:16 AM
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4. kickin my own post
well someone has to
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 01:26 AM
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5. The silence if deafening, isn't it?
And yes, Cindy is consistent. She's remained an anti-war activist throughout.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 02:53 AM
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6. K&R'd
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:28 AM
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7. K&R
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:35 AM
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8. I wish she wouldn't frickin' lie.
No one in the administration is saying we're in Afghanistan to protect the women there. And I haven't heard any in Congress saying that either. In addition, what is the "United Police Force of America"? And no Cindy, we don't live in a police state. Anyone who thinks we do, is not familiar with what a police state is.

Yes, I'm firmly against both Iraq and Afghanistan but Cindy doesn't speak for me. She never has. She's not terribly bright. She's not terribly informed. Her rhetoric sucks and she's always been willing to lie to make her case.

And sorry, but losing a son to the war, tragic as it is, doesn't make her either a saint or an effective spokesperson.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:09 AM
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9. America has the highest incarceration rate on the damn planet..
America has ~5% of the world's population and fully 25% of the prisoners, one in three black men will serve time in prison in their lifetime.

It's disturbing to admit we live in a police state so a great many people turn a blind eye to the blatantly obvious.

Did the Soviets inspect your very bodily fluids to make sure you were conforming to the state propaganda and then deny you a job if you failed to pass the purity test?

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:14 AM
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11. you want to post some reputable sources for those claims?
And no, we don't live in a police state despite our incarceration rate and disturbing trends that could lead us to one.

As for the claim that we're more of a police state than the Soviet Union was, your woeful lack of knowledge is just sad.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:26 AM
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12. Just because it doesn't look like what your particular idea of a police state is doesn't mean
It's not one..

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html

More than 5.6 million Americans are in prison or have served time there, according to a new report by the Justice Department released Sunday. That's 1 in 37 adults living in the United States, the highest incarceration level in the world.

It's the first time the US government has released estimates of the extent of imprisonment, and the report's statistics have broad implications for everything from state fiscal crises to how other nations view the American experience.

If current trends continue, it means that a black male in the United States would have about a 1 in 3 chance of going to prison during his lifetime. For a Hispanic male, it's 1 in 6; for a white male, 1 in 17.


Do you see current trends in policing and incarceration changing? I damn sure don't.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:30 AM
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14.  the
poster is probably not a black male.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:34 AM
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15. Eh, neither am I for that matter.. n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:29 AM
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13. the incarceration rate in the US certainly makes the argument that we have a police state
Edited on Mon Jan-04-10 09:55 AM by G_j
legitimate. It cannot be dismissed so easily. It certainly can be debated.
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:39 AM
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16. K&R
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