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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:33 PM
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We have about one year until the 2006 elections. You help us or don't.
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 07:36 PM by LoZoccolo
A post of mine from 2006 ON EDIT: 2005.

There is only one year left before our next significant chance to turn things around. There are three types of people at this point:

A. There are those who will work for this change.
B. There are those who will be largely useless in this effort.
C. There are those who will work against this effort.

There is plenty of work to be done, even if you don't like the current state of the Democratic Party. If you'd like to change that, your job now is to support a candidate in the primary. Candidates in several states are collecting signatures to get on the primary ballots. If you're not doing that, be quiet or you are wasting our time complaining that there are no primary candidates to vote for.

After the ballot signatures are collected, if you would like to change who the Democratic Party is running as a candidate in the general election, your job is to convince more people to vote for them than for other candidates. To this end, you can volunteer the campaigns of one of the primary candidate. Your job here is more complex, but still manageable:

- You must convince more people within the party to vote for your candidate.
- You must either pick a candidate who it can be shown can win the general election, or you must succeed in convincing people to vote for them in the general.
- You must do both of these in a way that will not sabatoge whoever wins the primary.

If you are not doing these, be quiet or you are wasting our time complaining that there is no one to vote for. It is your job to give us who to vote for.

After the primary, you will learn whether you have succeeded or failed in providing yourself with your favored candidate to vote for in the general election. Your job here is to support the better candidate whether or not you voted for or supported them in the primary. If you are not doing this, you need to stop blaming other people for your own failure, and wasting their time trying to punish them for succeeding where you have failed.

I invite all of you to be a type A.

I also invite you to manage your time wisely, and give your attention where it deserves to be given. The type B's can be just as destructive as the type C's by leeching the time you could spend making progress. And the type C's are only trying to bring you down on account of their own failure to achieve the fully possible things I list above. Do not waste time arguing with people who show themselves not to be on a track to get what they want.

We have one year. Let's optimize our resources, and not give them to the people who do not wish to succeed, or refuse to learn how to.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2203808

NOTE: This post was on the front page at a time when - I believe - the administrators would hand-pick which posts made it there, though people could still recommend posts for consideration. It is thus not considered divisive, and was not locked then.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:35 PM
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1. Awesome, dude. It changed everything.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:35 PM
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2. we're campaigning for a liberal dem who will push the conservative obama agenda leftward nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:36 PM
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3. And since the 2006 elections we've slowed the march to war, reined in banks and corporations...
... oh, wait.

The point is -- is working in an election for one of the two corporate-sanctioned parties the best use of one's time to bring about change?

(Note -- this is separate from the act of "not voting," which in theory -- by choosing the lesser evil -- can buy time...)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:41 PM
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4. oddly, other than voting, that was the election i was the least active in
but I had an excuse, I was working as a voting machine technician for the local county and couldn't really do partisan stuff.......
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:25 PM
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5. It seems some democrats think just like Sarah Palin and Bush - if you don't think like us
we don't want your votes and we would rather lose all power than have to accomodate anyone who doesn't think just like us. You are either for us or for the terrorists!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:21 AM
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23. Yeah, the right-wing democrats seem to think exactly like that. -nt
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:31 PM
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6. How about enact liberal policies for a change instead of worrying about
whether the liberals will tow the party line? Although it is the "moderate" conservative Dems who've screwed us with this monstrosity of healthcare reform, it is being pinned as a *liberal* bill. Every failure of this moderate President and moderately right Congress is being blamed on the liberals.

If my side is going to take the blame, I'd at least like it to be our agenda being enacted.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:44 PM
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7. I've laid out the process here. n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:46 PM
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8. If things are going so great, why would we need to turn them around?
:shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:47 PM
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9. :facepalm: n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:49 PM
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10. Why don't you post things like that anymore
Instead of what you post now?

:shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:52 PM
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12. I have no time left for a post that long after fighting the shit statements. n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:51 PM
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11. Ah yes, one of the classic bully boy posts here on DU
Sorry, but nobody tells me what I must do concerning political matters. If you don't like that, tough shit, deal with it anyway.

This is a democracy, not LZ's personal little fiefdom.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:09 PM
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13. I would rather be Scut Farkas for the Democrats
than Grover Gill for Ralph Nader.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:13 PM
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14. psssst.
Grover Dill
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:15 PM
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15. For real? lol
I didn't even really know his name until I was determined this year to remember it.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:16 PM
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16. LOL, for real. -
for a long time, I thought Scut was Scott.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:23 PM
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17. Help you do what?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:26 PM
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18. Get Oasis on top of the 2009 best band poll. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:28 PM
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19. Fundamental difference between 2010 and 2006
Summed up rather clearly here:

If Democrats follow the safe conventional wisdom formula in the 2010 elections, they will get their butts handed to them. Voters are not happy with incumbents, base Democratic voters feel like no one is fighting for them, independents feel like nobody cares what they think. But if Democrats shed their caution and become fighters, for jobs and health care and the middle class and against insurers and Wall Street, they can pull off the same kind of surprise in 2010 that we pulled off in 1998.

More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=6918&mesg_id=6918
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:38 PM
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20. This post is not about what the candidates should do.
This post is about what you can do.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 12:23 AM
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21. I hate caucuses
Edited on Mon Jan-04-10 12:39 AM by liberal_at_heart
2008 was my first caucus. I was one of two Hillary supporters at a table of about 20 Obama supporters. I'm not the kind of person who tries to convince others to think like I do. I don't do that with religion and I don't do that with politics. I simply stated why I supported her and asked if Obama would go after the insurance companies because healthcare was my top priority. They proceeded to bash Hillary and state that we needed somone who would work with insurance companies. The whole try to convince others to abandon their candadite and support yours is not my style. I don't think I'll be going back to another caucus. I will pick somone to support in the primary. If my candadite doesn't get picked for the nomination I will evaluate the situation at that point. There are only two circumstances in which I will cast my vote next time. I will cast my vote for a progressive democrat. If the candadite picked for the nomination is not a progressive I will vote third party. Oh, and then after the caucuses anyone who supported someone other than Obama in the primaries was told to jump in line and do what they were told and vote for Obama. I was stupid and did what I was told which is not something I do very often and I won't be doing again. I don't do something simply because I'm told to do it and sure as hell won't be told what to do in the next election.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:52 AM
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22. Right, because participation in democracy shouldn't be inconvenient.
Even if you inconvenience others or even yourself more by letting the Republicans win.
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