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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:29 PM
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Michael Smerconish, MSNBC
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 11:37 PM by Jack Sprat
Nazi News for the master race. They deliberated for minutes before replacing Imus with a right-wing white male.

Would that network have even considered Allison Stewart, who would not be polarizing and might even make people feel better about the world in the morning hours?

Now everyone knows that it is not news, but entertainment, but does all the entertainment have to be hosted by the Aryan Brotherhood?

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:30 PM
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1. Beck is on CNN but your point is well taken
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:41 PM
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3. thanks and thanks, my bad for sure.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:48 PM
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5. Allison is a good interviewer, a quick study and a bit of a smartass
I used to turn the TV off when she was in for KO, but tonight I watched her and I was impressed with the way she didn't buy Dana Milbank's inside the beltway bullshit take on the press dinner and the Rove-Sheryl Crow incident. I doubt they'd ever give a real shot at a regular slot - you can only be irreverent if you make fun of those who can't fight back (like Imus did)- never those in power. Olbermann is the only exceptio to that rule I know of.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:35 PM
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2. They're throwing the dice
hoping that an uptick of rightist viewers will offset the heavy audience decline on the left and the informed center. It's a gamble to try and placate their sponsors in the face of declining ratings.

It's doomed to failure, and they are doomed to irrelevance.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:49 PM
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6. This could be 'fightable' and winnable, if we turn him off. Olbermann
is on the same channel and gets rave ratings. Not necessarily doomed, but with this clown they are.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:45 PM
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4. please please please people do not turn msnbc on in am@!
do not be their audience...let this crap fail miserably!!

fly
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:50 PM
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7. Is anyone standing up to challenge them?
Or is everyone just sitting around pouting about the unfairness of it all.

Advertisers. Investors.

If you want this shit to change, you've got to stand up for something better. The only time we've really done it since I've been at DU was with Sinclair. And it WORKED.

There are a lot of people to choose from. Allison Stewart, Tom Joyner, hell Randi Rhodes would be better than Imus.

We just do a horrible job of advocating.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:27 AM
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8. You start, I'll follow! Let me/us know! nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:27 AM
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12. Okay
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:30 AM
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9. Alison Stewart? She would not do a good job at all in that slot.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:37 AM
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15. The network is owned by General Electric. They make billions off the war.
So does Proctor and Gamble--they've got huge Pentagon contracts.

So does Sprint-Nextel.

And where do government offices go with their GSA credit cards to buy office supplies? Why, STAPLES.

These companies make more from the Pentagon in a day than they make off of all of their NBC advertising and retail expenditures in a month.

You're not going to get a compelling lefty in that slot. You'll only get a lefty on a pro-war GE network when there's a BIG DRAW rightie on another channel to keep the sheep away from dangerous ideas.

It's no accident that Olbermann is OPPOSITE O'Reilly. The lefties go to MSNBC, the righties go to Faux.

A nice little bit of segregation, that. Just what the corporate Pentagon whores want.

Eventually the war will end, but they don't want that to happen one day sooner than necessary.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:47 AM
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16. I disagree
I do not believe that Imus was taken off the air for the benefit of the war. In fact, the war is not being fought to make anybody money, that's always been an absurd assertion. People are making money because there's a war, but it's being fought for oil and ideology.

We've proven we can affect change with Sinclair. It's just that whenever someone wants to try again, the naysayers and the capitalists show up, and shoot every idea down.

I said the day after the election that Democrats could turn this country on its head overnight. Just move their stock. Maybe you remember. Very few people would do it.

But poor people are beat to hell for shopping at Walmart.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:37 AM
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17. Fine. You disagree. I think you're mistaken.
GE, we bring good wars to life.

Follow the money.

And that Sinclair "victory?" What did it mean in the long run? Why, nothing. That right wing set of affiliates is still pumping out the same old shit, and laughing all the way to the bank. And the guy who really did the heavy lifting, and had a crisis of conscience? Why, he got fired. His name, ironically, was LIEBERMAN.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6959139/beyond_fair_and_balanced/

On Sunday, October 17th, Sinclair called a mandatory meeting for the entire News Central staff. According to several who attended, Leiberman stood up and voiced his opposition to Stolen Honor. "Each and every one of us is going to lose our credibility if we lend our voices and our writing and our faces to this product that clearly isn't news," he said. "It's propaganda. It's meant to sway the election -- we've been told that by people inside the company."

Sinclair's vice president of news, Joseph DeFeo, looked at Leiberman. "You may face consequences for not choosing to participate in this," Leiberman recalls him saying. Then DeFeo looked around the room. "Anyone else want to join him?" he asked. No one spoke up. But many Sinclair employees say privately that they agreed with Leiberman. "I was glad that someone finally had the guts to say something," says one. "Everyone who works there feels the same way and says it in private, but it doesn't leave the building."

"Jon did a great thing," another veteran says. "He stood up to the Hymanator." The next day, after Leiberman made his concerns public, Sinclair fired him. (Sinclair refuses to comment on the incident.)

Employees report a pervasive climate of fear at Sinclair. Staffers worry that management is listening to their telephone calls, and a recent notice sent to all employees warns that the company is monitoring their e-mail and Internet use. "We know if you use e-mail to send jokes to your friends and co-workers," the memo states. "We know if you view porn.... We know if you order parts for the car you are trying to restore.... We know how many people searched for Janet Jackson after the Super Bowl (97 searches)." Employees laugh when told that Smith insists he runs Sinclair like a family. "They are blinded," a former producer says. "They think their employees are loyal, but really they're not in touch with what's happening in their own newsroom."..."They're so used to being able to buy their way through Washington that Smith actually believes he can get away with it," says Silver of Free Press. "That's what's really scary."

But up on the fifth floor at Sinclair, Smith remains unconcerned about the backlash. Indeed, with the company deep in debt and struggling to boost revenues and ratings, all the scandal may be good for business. "Fox proved one thing: People like controversy," Smith says. "I'd do one of those Stolen Honor specials every month if we could. The lesson was very straightforward: That we can do this kind of content, pre-empt the networks and make more money."....


Sinclair's television group includes 19 FOX, 17 MyTV, 10 ABC, 9 CW, 2 CBS and 1 NBC affiliates and reaches approximately 22% of all U.S. television households. http://www.sbgi.net/business/television.shtml

And most of their large corporate advertisers have big Pentagon contracts, too.

They just don't CARE what we think. This bastard took Bill Maher off every ABC affiliate he owned, including the DC one, because he didn't like what the guy said. He does what he wants.

Why do you think we don't get any real news, on any of the stations? It's because they don't want us seeing the carnage in Iraq, the complete lack of substantive progress in Afghanistan, the difficulty in Darfur--they'd much prefer we focus on Anna Nicole, crazed college shooters, and things of that nature. Nothing that's gonna interfere with the military-corporate complex, or their bottom line.

Here, have some fun--look up those advertisers, see how many of them you can find here (and if you think these are big numbers, there's even much more in the last four years): http://www.public-i.org/pns/report.aspx?aid=385

For example, Proctor and Gamble's "Take" through 03--it's been much greater since then:


What the Pentagon bought

Product/Service Category Total
Food and Beverages $1,320,305,672
Water Purification and Sewage Treatment Equipment $4,233,501
Equipment Maintenance, Repair & Rebuilding $982,740
Medical, Dental and Veterinary Equipment & Supplies $197,333
Miscellaneous Products $43,740



And how they won their contracts? 99.90 percent of them were NOT full and open.

The Pentagon defines several different "solicitation procedures" that roughly indicate the level of competition in awarding contracts. Full and open competition generally indicates that the contracts went out to competitive bid. Not full and open generally don't go out to bid – the pie chart below shows the reasons why. Set-aside contracts are competitive, but only certified small businesses can bid on them. Most of the contracts with no information were awarded on the "federal schedule." Contractors pre-qualify to supply specific goods and services, and federal employees can order them without going through the bidding process.

http://www.public-i.org/pns/db.aspx?act=cinfo&coid=001316827

I am not a "naysayer" nor am I a "capitalist." And I never "beat a poor person to hell for shopping at WalMart." So don't lay that crap on me. It's just not 'on' to do that kind of thing.

What I am is someone who sees quite clearly what we are up against, and it's not something a little boycotting will fix, or a few phone calls or emails will sway. Sinclair, as their bastard owner predicted, is STRONGER than ever. They're controlling over a fifth of the television stations in the country. Unless we can convince everyone with a Nielsen box to boycott those bastards, they're going to continue to control an enormous percentage of the market share. And they're not stupid--they've got a load of those Fox networks, with all of the clever shows the young like. And they've got ABC affiliates too, cleaning up with "Dancing with the Stars" and other programming.

Same with GE, aka NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC--they've got the business market with CNBC, the "lefty" cable news watchers with Alison Stewart's MOST show and Olbermann, and even Tweety, and the lazy will stay and watch Fucker and Scarborough.

You're not going to convince a corporation that makes billions of dollars from the war to push for programming that impacts their bottom line. I mean, really. Why do you think they took DONOHUE off, when his ratings were HIGHER than HARDBALL?

Follow the real money--not the chump change from the "activist" consumer. The real dough--from the taxpayer's coffers.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:03 AM
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19. We never win
because we don't fight right. They managed to turn a 2 second boob shot into massive changes at the FCC. They got that Jesus program off the air a couple years ago.

We let them take Donahue off the air because he dared put on people who criticized Bush when we were fighting a war in Afghanistan and a "war on terror".

They fight. We don't. Because the idea of fighting the right way is always shot down by somebody.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:30 AM
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23. That is a good point,but it's tough to 'fight right 'when you just don't have critical mass.
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 11:31 AM by MADem
We don't have the numbers who are willing to inconvenience themselves.

That's the real reason--not that ideas get "shot down." A good idea, one that will make a clear and obvious difference, cannot get stifled. If enough people felt strongly enough to get off their asses, they'd be out in the streets with torches and pitchforks. Think back to Vietnam. Alot of people cluck-clucked at the protests, but there was some serious "self interest" behind them. It didn't take much at all--just a flyer, a poster nailed to a phone poll--to get thousands into the streets on a WEEKLY basis, because they had something to lose--their lives. They had a vested interest in ending the war.

Nowadays, there's not that urgency, thus, no one want's to be 'inconvenienced.' What are people losing, save those with a loved one over in the grinder? A few tax dollars, maybe? A devalued dollar? A loss of reputation in the world? Never mind, turn on the TV, watch a sitcom! Because no one, save a small minority of careerists, adventurists and underprivileged in uniform, are doing any of the "critical mass" sacrificing. And BushCo ain't stupid--that's how they like it.

The people who don't like the status quo will vote for the progressive candidates, but they won't do much else. They won't turn off their TVs, they won't go stand in front of the FCC and protest, they won't unify to insist upon better quality (meaning fair) programming because they're too hooked on the crap programming. We've been told how sleazy Fox is, yet no one is willing to turn it off: http://www.outfoxed.org/

It's also tough to win when most of the media is owned by people with significant pro-war interests--and those interests--not their TV arm--is where they are getting most of their dough. GE is on the list of top 100 contractors at the Pentagon, and they own the "NBC-Universal family." Fox, for all intents and purposes, is RNC TV, and their sponsor portfolio is stuffed with pro-war companies. CBS? Well, they fired Rather, didn't they? And Imus. And if you read up on the pile of shit the owner ("There's no fool like an old fool") is mired in, to say nothing of his top executives, you can see why there's no moral leadership coming out of that outfit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_Redstone And fuggedabout CNN--they might as well be government-owned.

Our only hope is to win back the White House. Once that happens, the tide will turn...

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:42 PM
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24. Inconvenience
Al Gore really hit it squarely on the head with that one. My husband and I were just talking about why the people aren't demanding impeachment, and "inconvenience" is the exact word we used. I think it goes with living in an "entertainment" society. Also, don't forget, we were nearly half the population in the 60's, it was easier to have an impact. Between the kid serving and the kid protesting, every parent was impacted too. My kids are in that generation and they are very concerned and very aware. I think they think their responsibility is to support candidates and vote, and the grown ups are supposed to get things right. They're a bright caring bunch I think. When they decide to take matters into their own hands, I think things will turn around. I think that's what the support of Obama is about - who I also wish were slightly more progressive.

Still, this is 3 phone numbers. And the reality is, unless the "cool kids" say to call, nobody will call.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=109
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:36 AM
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10. Smerconish is a tireless self-promoter
He's also (net)worked himself into the Huffington Post, the Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News, NBC, Fox, and has a regular radio slot on "The Big Talker" in Philly (his studio is literally down the street from me). His gimmick is the tough-guy schtick -- leather jacket, shavehead, cigar, intellectualized homophobia with a line of bullshit about how American men are all sissies.

Der Ahnold. Mel Gibson. Jesse Ventura. Dog-the-Bounty-Hunter. Today's Dennis Hopper.

His "irony tag" is that in spite of his homophobic spew, he supports most (though not all) gay rights issues.

He was also a singularly lax prosecutor whose motto could be "Often Indicted, Never Convicted".

Well, MSNBC does have one liberal -- who is the network's star and cash-cow. And Keith will keep his mouth politely shut about this new shock clown, too.

--p!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:20 AM
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11. I sent them a cryptic email
Same toilet..new turd..
Imus-Smerconish
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:41 AM
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22. Perfect. nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:44 AM
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13. He's so much better than Imus
:sarcasm:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:22 AM
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14. Of COURSE not. Alison is against the war. GE owns NBC, and makes billions off the war.
GE, we bring good wars to life!

They probably don't care so much about that rightwing message out there, but they sure as hell don't want an antiwar individual, either left OR right, in that block.

If they could find a prowar lefty (good luck with that), they'd be happy to put one of those in that slot, too!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:49 AM
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18. Bush asked General Electric to be the new War Czar, I heard.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:36 AM
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20. I think Smerconish is only a three-day experiment
and Alison Stewart is probably going on to some job at NBC. Hasn't been said what yet.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:40 AM
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21. Ain't it amazing that the head of NBC news, Capus, when firing Imus talked about the
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 06:41 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
integrity of NBC, and then hires this hack as Imus' replacement?
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