Wow: DKos FDL Diarists slinkerwink and nyceve part ways with FDL!

[berni_mccoy]

Special Comment up on slinkerwink's diary ( http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/4/821663/-The-Blue-Dogs-Prefer-The-Senate-BillWith-A-Special-Comment- )

As an addendum, nyceve and I no longer work with, or receive funds from Firedoglake.

We will continue though to be energetic advocates for real health care reform. Eve wrote her first diaries about health care five years ago, when her own insurance was cancelled. I began my work on health care reform a year ago, and have been advocating for the public option ever since Senator Max Baucus issued his white paper. We will continue to champion real health care reform in the weeks and months ahead. We also would like to thank everyone at Firedoglake for their great work on the public option."

When asked why, slinkerwink had this to say:

all questions on that should be directed towards firedoglake at [e-mail].

I have to say that slinkerwink has been one of the best activists out there for first, the Single Payer HCR and then for the Public Option. Her arguments were always spot on and she still fights hard through strong activism. She calls members of the House and Senate and works diligently for progressive HCR. She has done far more than most in keeping leftward pressure on the HCR bill.

I will not speculate on the reasons for the parting, but I have my suspicions and you probably know what they are.

While FDL has lost a great activist, the progressive movement has not.

[JuniperLea]

1. FDL is off my "favorites" list...

I don't blame anyone for parting ways... I applaud it.

[FarPoint]

2. No longer a

bookmark for me either.

[jpak]

3. Slinkerwink is/was a DUer - right?

:shrug:

[janx]

4. YES. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

5. Is, though I haven't seen her post here in a while.

[Capn Sunshine]

43. yes

and used to have time for frivolous postings in the lounge!
:hi: Slink!

[marybourg]

6. Wow! Your header is almost as incomprehensible as

Bloomberg's.

[OregonBlue]

16. Most of us here got it. DKos FDL Diarists slinkerwink and nyceve part ways with FDL!

DKos=Daily Kos
FDL=FiredogLake
slinkerdink and nyceve = DUers

Not really that incomprehensible.

[PHIMG]

7. (-1) Wow operation destroy FDL is in full effect.

It's as if the biggest problem with the USA is this lefty blog nobody has heard of.

Give me a break.

I don't want a loyalty test in the progressive blogosphere as the OP apparently does.

[rudy23]

9. I'm turned off by Norquist, too, but the backlash against FDL shows Jane hit a nerve.

I honestly think she's on the right track about joining forces with people across the aisle--she just needs to pick better people to start with.

I think doing so is the antidote to the Elites version of bipartisanship which hurts "the people" on both sides of the aisle.

[NJmaverick]

66. A wealthy lefty joining a wealthy righty is the "antidote" to the "elites"?

:shrug:

[avaistheone1]

72. Most of Congress could be considered elite by the same token.

Should we stop supporting them then?

[JTFrog]

81. How do you pick the "better" of racist, homophobic hatemongers?

Here's the fucking leader of the other side of the aisle: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7393787#7394119

But I'm sure none of the "non-Elite" baggers have anything in common with their leader or the likes of blackface Jane and Grover Norquist.

:sarcasm:



:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[berni_mccoy]

11. FDL has damaged itself all on its own.

[OregonBlue]

18. They don't seem to need help.

[natrat]

70. no doubt these whores all caught up in personalities as the issues recede into the backround

[mzmolly]

8. Good for them.

:hi: To Slinkerwink is she's lurking.

[rudy23]

10. Wow, you're really on her side here by posting her business on DU!

I think this kind of personal stuff is way over the line, and not surprising at all.

[berni_mccoy]

12. How is this personal? She blogged it at DKos?

[rudy23]

13. Did she ask you to draw attention to it here? She didn't even call attention to it in her OP.

She redirected questions about it to the website itself on a comment downthread.

Maybe she does want you to call attention to her parting with FDL, I don't know her. But I know why you're here, and I'm guessing it's to disparage FDL more than it is any true concern for slinkerwink.

[WeDidIt]

14. Once it's blogged, it's public knowledge

So it's been blogged. Fair game to post a link and point it out to everybody on every leftwing site.

Don't like it? Too fucking bad. She wanted it public because she made it public.

[rudy23]

15. Actually, I very much believe it is not "fair game"

And I'm certain that it's not "too fucking bad."

DLC = thugs

[WeDidIt]

17. Then you don't understand the internet

See, once you make a post on a public blog, like DK, EVERY LAST HUMAN ON EARTH CAN SEE IT!!!!

So your complaints are without merit.

[rudy23]

21. Really? Why don't you start another thread calling attention to my post, then.

Since there are no rules on the internet. Go ahead, I dare you.

[berni_mccoy]

24. rudy, it's time to step back from the keyboard and take a break.

I believe WeDidIt is correct. There is nothing personal about citing what someone posts on an open blog. The reason people post information about themselves on a blog is so that they can communicate that information to the world.

[Occulus]

28. What Rudy doesn't get is that they referenced this news in the title of the diary.

They then put it right at the end, in a colored box, as if to call attention to it.

One would not post such information on one of the most widely-read political blogs on the internet, and then go out of one's way to spread the news as far as possible, if one did not want the information made as public as possible.

Rudy failed hugely on this one. It's so bad, I'm going to call his posts a threadjack attempt.

[rudy23]

29. On Kos? I see where slinkerwink referenced her break with FDL in passing

I don't see it in the title of the diary.

I see what you're doing--trying to turn it around so I'M the one behaving egregiously. I don't think my "threadjack" is relevant to the calling out done in the OP. If my post is a threadjack attempt, then fine---apply that to the DLC thugs as well.

[rudy23]

30. So you don't mind if I start a blog focusing on all your posts on DU?

I'll call it the Berni Mc Show!

[berni_mccoy]

33. You have that freedom. Certainly, my posts here have been made fun of at FR and the likes.

[rudy23]

39. I will take you up on that.

Srsly.

[berni_mccoy]

46. Whatever brings you happiness friend

you won't be the first and certainly won't be the last.

[pschoeb]

19. They were only paid by the Public Plan Fund at FDL

Which was only paying them till bills passed House and Senate. DKos made a big deal that slinkerwink and nyceve did not post on every diary that they were being paid by FDL, so it makes sense they would add an addendum of no longer receiving money. This seems like a non story

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/your-donations-now-paying-nyceve-and-slinkerwink/

[berni_mccoy]

22. If that were the case...

I would expect different language from slinkerwink regarding it.

She said "no longer working with, or receiving funds from..." etc.

Furthermore, she could have easily answered the reason if what you say is true: the bills have passed in the House and Senate and that event ends our contract with FDL.

But she didn't. Slinkerwink is a great writer, so I would have expected her explanation to be more explicit than it was were it a non-story as you say.

[pschoeb]

36. The addendum is like the addendum they were forced to use by DKos

Where they had to add on every diary that they were working for and paid by FDL. it's no big mystery why it is worded the way it is. Slinkerwink was not working formally for FDL until they paid her, and it seems to make sense that after it was over it would return to the same relationship afterwords.

I'm not sure how her employment at FDL worked, but slinkerwink saying anything about her terms of employment could in theory interfere with collecting unemployment benefits, and she seems to be currently jobless.

[mmonk]

27. Interesting.

Thanks for the information. Maybe I will ask some questions on where she plans on going from here.

[slipslidingaway]

53. Thanks n/t

[mmonk]

20. Congratulations.

;-)
just kidding.


Anyway, I do like slinkerwink and always have liked her.

[DrDan]

23. and we here at DU should care about this why?

[berni_mccoy]

25. FDL is often used as a source of information here and the topic of HCR is very important

as well as the activism promoted by people like slinkerwink and nyceve.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[madrchsod]

32. BINGO! we have a winner!

[berni_mccoy]

34. FDL smears itself by enlisting teabaggers and Norquist to attack the Administration.

Oh, and you only diminish your voice the more you spam.

[Capn Sunshine]

57. I'll see your Bingo! and raise you a BINGO!

Bingo!

[trumad]

35. Rudy Rudy Rudy

You can't be fucking serious?
Seriously----you can't be serious?

[rudy23]

38. Damn, I thought you were chanting my name like the movie. Srsly, you haven't noticed?

I get that on this issue, unlike HCR, there are legitimately a good number of Dems who are upset with Jane Hamsher for teaming up with Grover Norquist. I get that.

But again, when you have the same core people who are OBSESSED with the story, and they're using the exact same "stick out like a sore thumb" language to try and tie it in to other criticisms from the left, it's pretty clear what's going on. Nobody in the outside world concerns themselves with Jane Hamsher, and even on the blogosphere, it's pretty small news.

[trumad]

41. I'm not talking about that...

I'm talking about your silliness about a DUer posting stuff that he or she found on KOS---one of the most read Blog's on the internets---and making it out to be a private transmission.

That's just plain silly.

[rudy23]

42. Well let's just say I find it in extremely poor taste. He also twisted her words to imply

that Jane Hamsher is the reason why slinker left FDL. While it may be true, she didn't say that, and it CLEARLY wasn't the focus of her thread.

Don't worry, though, I'm starting a blog about Berni's posts here, since he said that it's fair game.

[berni_mccoy]

44. Exactly HOW did I twist her words? You are the one making up people's intent here

As well as making baseless accusations.

[rudy23]

52. You framed it as if that were the purpose of her post.

Then used THAT framing to cast aspersions on FDL and Jane.

[berni_mccoy]

71. LOL! Man, you are way out there. I posted exactly what she said and the Special Comment

is in the title of her post. I didn't "frame" anything. You on the other-hand love to make this about what you THINK it is about, which it isn't at all.

[trumad]

47. Again---you're being Silly..

I re-read the OP and in no way was he twisting her words....

She posted on a very public site for everyone to see---and you're saying that we at DU are not aloud to see it. She is a high profile activist and what she says has interest in the Progressive community.

[berni_mccoy]

50. Thank you trumad.

[rudy23]

54. So you won't mind if I include your DU posts on my blog either, then.

For the record, I do mind if anyone were to do it to me.

[Capn Sunshine]

61. I'm putting this whole thread on my blog!

try and stop me! It's going to be right here!

[trumad]

80. .....

Have at it... Don't write on the internets if you don't want someone else to see it.

[HughMoran]

40. Yes, FDL is running a smear campaign

I agree.

[avaistheone1]

74. Spin, spin.

lol

[Capn Sunshine]

45. rahmbucks?

truly you folks have slipped a cog.

I suggest in the future you don't make those cogs out of compressed tinfoil, Captain Keyboard.

[DevonRex]

56. Jane Hamsher has destroyed FDL's reputation and FDL deserves it

for letting her do it. I unsubscribed to FDL and let them know why. They can cozy up to the filthy teabaggers all they want, but if they lie down with dogs they're gonna get fleas. Pretty sure they're already covered.

[rudy23]

58. On top of that: twenty threads a day about it, just to remind us what happens when WE

use bipartisanship to fight back against a Chief of Staff who's said on the record that he can afford to ignore the left. What other choices is he leaving us, exactly?

[DevonRex]

60. You have a mighty obsession with Rahm. nt

[rudy23]

68. I admit it--I'm really upset with the way he's treating the base. It's like another Rove.

Except this time, the attacks are coming from within a very suspect faction of the Democratic Party. I'm really upset about what he's trying to do on the blogosphere, just like I was with NAFTA and the Iraq War. I'm upset about torture, covering the Bushies, you've heard it a million times.

For the last couple of months, I have been very one-track about it online b/c I think it threatens the integrity of every discussion that we have online.

To me, it's kind of like how no issue will really get better until we make progress on campaign finance reform. I believe Rahm's attitude towards the base really threatens the Democratic Party in a way the Republicans never could. So while I enjoy reading other discussions on other topics, I don't like feeling attacked on other issues by people who I KNOW are not here with the interests of Progressive ideals, and the most BASIC tenets of the Democratic platform at heart.

That's just my take, I realize that lately I've gotten too dirty wrestling with pigs. Blue Pigs.

[slipslidingaway]

64. It is OK when the administration works with the other side and goes...

against their promise to the people, not OK when the common folk try and use the same tactic to fight the powerful corporations.

:shrug:

[berni_mccoy]

65. LOL, twenty threads a day. You're losing it.

[HughMoran]

77. lost

it

[avaistheone1]

73. I still like FDL

and I support her.

I don't appreciate the DU smear campaign on her.

[Donnachaidh]

78. yup, some posters are so obsessed with shutting down dissenting voices

they literally will post ANYTHING no matter how trifling to smear dissent. And then when they are called on their bullshit they even have custom made hair shirts for that *I'm being picked on* special posting that follows.

:eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

26. I guess some people just don't make good teabaggers?

Or is there another best-available hypothesis?

[DevonRex]

37. Yours is the best, hands down. nt

[coti]

48. IIRC, slinkerwink also took a rather long break from DU some years back.

Does that make us all terrible people?

[berni_mccoy]

49. Who said anything about people being terrible? You aren't making any sense.

[coti]

51. Well, the point of your post seems to be two people, one being slinkerwink,

leaving FDL reflects badly on the website. Is that correct?

Does that go the same for DU? Or do people leave message boards for reasons other than the board simply being a bad one?

[rudy23]

55. Yet he claims he's not twisting her intent in any way.

Clearly that was the point of the OP, and clearly, not the point of slinkerwink's thread.

[berni_mccoy]

63. Seek help friend, seek help.

[apocalypsehow]

69. You need help. Get it. n/t.

[berni_mccoy]

62. FDL is not a message board. And no, it was not the point of my post. If it had been

I would have said what my suspicions were. But I don't like to speculate when the poster has stated that she isn't going to be giving one.

[depakid]

67. I was hoping someone would note that!

Kinda takes the veneer off of the gloating, eh?

[slipslidingaway]

59. See reply #19 - from the link ...

Your Donations Now Paying NYCEve and Slinkerwink
By: Jane Hamsher Friday July 17, 2009 9:53 am

"Just a quick note to thank everyone for their kind donations to the Public Plan fund. NYCEve and Slinkerwink have been volunteering their time to pass health care reform and now we’re going to be able to pay them to work full time on this until a bill passes, which — cross your fingers — will be some time in October..."

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/your-donations-now-paying-nyceve-and-slinkerwink/

[berni_mccoy]

76. If you read the post on DKos I linked you'll see that's not the reason

Slink was pressed multiple times to give a reason and she refused and directed people to FDL.

She would not be sworn to secrecy for something that was already publicly known.

Pure speculation, but I would wager it has to do with an NDA.

Given that the fight isn't over, I am suspicious as to why FDL has pulled the plug on her and nyceve. They can still do much good before the bill is finalized.

[slipslidingaway]

79. You said it yourself, nobody knows the reason and it is all ...

speculation at this point.

[Canuckistanian]

75. I find it amazing

That a split between diarists and their host blog is considered *news*.

But why should I be surprised? Blogs are now major sources of inspiration and information to millions of disaffected political junkies like me. God knows, the MSM shows no sign of intelligent life anymore and progressives STILL have nowhere to go to discuss major policy issues in the maintream.

I'm just tired of the divide between "real news" and the imaginary fantasies of major media.

[rudy23]

82. It's "news" because a few people are on a mission to smear Jane and FDL

Not that I'm 100% on board with her, but that's the intent of the diarist here.