Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

M$M: Lies *only* for Profit - or - also used to seed the Public Mind per the aims of elites?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 04:43 PM
Original message
Poll question: M$M: Lies *only* for Profit - or - also used to seed the Public Mind per the aims of elites?
Just curious to see how user names side up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. I don't happen to believe either of these simplistic suggestions.
Bryant
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
2. Background - Chomsky's Propaganda Model:
The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfill this role requires systematic propaganda.

In countries where the levers of power are in the hands of a state bureaucracy, the monopolistic control over the media, often supplemented by official censorship, makes it clear that the media serve the ends of a dominant elite. It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent. This is especially true where the media actively compete, periodically attack and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance, and aggressively portray themselves as spokesmen for free speech and the general community interest. What is not evident (and remains undiscussed in the media) is the limited nature of such critiques, as well as the huge inequality in command of resources, and its effect both on access to a private media system and on its behavior and performance.

A propaganda model focuses on this inequality of wealth and power and its multilevel effects on mass-media interests and choices. It traces the routes by which money and power are able to filter out the news fit to print, marginalize dissent, and allow the government and dominant private interests to get their messages across to the public. The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

The elite domination of the media and marginalization of dissidents that results from the operation of these filters occurs so naturally that media news people, frequently operating with complete integrity and goodwill, are able to convince themselves that they choose and interpret the news "objectively" and on the basis of professional news values. Within the limits of the filter constraints they often are objective; the constraints are so powerful, and are built into the system in such a fundamental way, that alternative bases of news choices are hardly imaginable. In assessing the newsworthiness of the U.S. government's urgent claims of a shipment of MIGs to Nicaragua on November 5, I984, the media do not stop to ponder the bias that is inherent in the priority assigned to government-supplied raw material, or the possibility that the government might be manipulating the news, imposing its own agenda, and deliberately diverting attention from other material. It requires a macro, alongside a micro- (story-by-story), view of media operations, to see the pattern of manipulation and systematic bias.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Ah Chomsky. That explains it. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. No, actually it's not what made me curious to see how other DUers perceive it
Earlier I had a minor debate w/another poster as to the nature of how the mainstream media operates. His position was that there isn't any unified, overarching agenda to deceive, or sell war$, or generally condition the public mind, and that the Corps who own and manage those media outlets are soly driven for profit alone, sans any want of intentionally lying to the public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I think that in an organization as large and diverse as the media
It's foolish to believe there is one explanation for why they behave the way they do. Certainly I don't believe any active conspiracy.

On the other hand saying that the media figures largely have the same interests as other corporate types, well, that's pretty believable isn't it?

Bryant
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
3. why don't you have a choice of BOTH.
They make money by being the lackeys of the people who run the country. Both the elected and corporate. Look how many republican senators do a swinging door between senate, corporation board, and lobbying firms.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Option 2 is worded to include both
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
5. I Believe it's a bit of Both
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 06:29 PM
Response to Original message
9. If anyone else had posted this it may have attracted many more views and poll votes
... or so I'm guessing

Hmm...perhaps if I'm that unpopular here it's time to take my leave of DU. I've been re-considering the whole internet forum thing for awhile now anyway. To the few lefty stragglers who were at times receptive to my views and ideas, I bid you adieu
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. heh
You'll be back. You're addicted. Almost 12,000 posts in 2 years? You be hooked.

This poll is kinda preaching to the choir and was hard to discern. Do better next time. <grin>

Reading this gave me an idea: Wouldn't a press that was basically anarchist, be the best for the people?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 05:55 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC