DU this NPR Poll - Was Brit Hume Right To Say What He Did?

[WeDidIt]

You know what to DU:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/01/tiger_woods_brit_hume_bill_ore.html

[WeDidIt]

1. 56% No, 44% Yes

Looks like the Fundies are going to win this one.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

35. shows his ignorance of Buddhism

[Buzz Clik]

2. Why would it be wrong?

What if he told him to meditate or eat chocolate or take up water skiing? It was just Hume offering a harmless opinion.

[krabigirl]

5. ? Because he is using a "news" show to shove *his* religion down everyone's throat.

So tired of this crap.

[Buzz Clik]

7. People who listen to Hume are already fucking morons.

And most of them think Jeebus watches their every move. No harm, just more bullshit on the pile.

[FBaggins]

11. Don't watch it, but pretty sure it's an opinion show

not news.

There's no question he had the right to say it... the question is whether it was right to say it.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Actually, the question asks if Hume was wrong in saying it.

It's an important distinction.

[newtothegame]

28. Rachel and Keith use a "news" show to shove *their* opinions down people's throat.

Get over it.

[DainBramaged]

31. Really, down people's throats??? Does Rachel proselytize about her gayness?

Does Keith proselytize about going out with a girl 20 + years his junior?


Maybe YOU need to decide whose side you really are on..........

[Deep13]

47. No. False.

1. Their stories are based on actual news and not their personal, sanctimonious spiritual advice to the subjects of their stories. Neither of them push religion on their guests or the viewers. I have no idea what if any religion Keith or Rachel are.

2. Both are far more professional than anyone on Fox. They rely on documented evidence. Rachel in particular is probably the best news person on the air.

3. One may turn on the TV or radio without being inundated by liberal opinion.

4. Rachel, Keith, Ed Stephanie Miller, Air America exist as an alternative to Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of those assholes. If news simply told the truth regardless of ideology, we would not need them.

Hume's remark--and let's face it, it's really Murdock's remark--is simply part of Murdock's far right propaganda machine. Their job is to foll people who are too stupid to recognize bullshit and to intimidate everyone else. Fox's full time job is to promote anti-secular, anti-union, anti-progressive ideas and to facilitate the preachers and their corporate overlords in making us peons. You may bet dollars to donuts that Hume's remark was scripted by the central office.

You're remark is analogous to a soldier claiming "So what if our enemy shoots us! We shoot them too!" This is a battle of ideas and I hope to win it. That means making efforts to discredit their "soldiers." So even if you are right--hurray for Keith and Rachel!

[sui generis]

6. it was some hard haired white dude rapping about jesus again.

You can't get away from these motherfucking babtists down here any way you turn. Good thing Mr. Hume didn't say Tiger shoulda turned to Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the IPU.

A barely more acceptable answer would have been to suggest he get some religion, but then again, it's all unsolicited advice given by a blowhard idiot afraid of his own mortality.

[Deep13]

16. It was proslytizing.

And it was inaccurate. There is no evidence that Christians are any more healthy psychologically, moral or ethical than Buddists. It is also fundamentally dishonest. Whether or not Christianity has a philosophy of forgiveness has no bearing on the accuracy of its claims. One cannot simply decide to accept Christianity's claims as fact simply because one wants to take advantage of one of its dogmas.

[Buzz Clik]

21. Ah. So you feel he is philosophically mistaken in his Christianity.

I don't believe that was the point of the NPR poll.

[Deep13]

37. No, I believe his claim is factually inaccurate.

Hume claimed that Woods needed Christianity for Woods' own peace of mind. That claim has no basis in fact. And being inaccurate, Hume was wrong to claim otherwise. And by "wrong" I mean like saying that 2+2=5. It's not a question of morality, but fact.

[Buzz Clik]

38. Sorry, but when it comes to these kinds of issues, there is no "right" or "wrong",...

... and we aren't dealing with "facts."

It's very possible that Woods could find peace of mind through Christian pursuits. It's equally possible that he'd be just another hypocritical Bible thumper.

I'll never understand why people who have no faith or have had a bad experience with people of faith automatically assume that faith is always bad and always the refuge of ignorant fools.

[Deep13]

44. 1st, if it can be verified or dismissed with evidence, then it is a question of fact.

Sure it's possible. It's also possible he would find the same peace of mind through Buddhist pursuits or by building model airplanes. The point is saying that X leads to specific psychological results is a measurable, testable hypothesis. It may not be comfortable to conclude that a religious precept is wrong, but that has no bearing on the veracity of the conclusion. And a quick reminder: no evidence does not mean may be true or may not be true. A lack of evidence gets you to zero.

And again, he can't just throw a switch in his mind and suddenly be a Christian. He either accepts, as a point of fact, that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the savior of humanity or he does not. If not, he cannot make himself believe something that knows probably isn't true. On the other hand, if he goes believe that premise and thinks it is factually true, then he is a Christian already. JC either has the power to send us to heaven or he does not. One of those propositions must be wrong.

[Caretha]

49. Mathew 7

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I love shoving bible quotes down the throats of rightous assholes.

If only they would learn to practice what they preach.

What part of Judge not do you not understand?

[Buzz Clik]

54. Did you bother to read the OP? Who is judging whom?

Hume simply made a suggestion to Woods, who, in just about everyone's opinion, is in deep deep doodoo.

[Caretha]

55. You are so right

poor poor Hume and poor poor you. Thanks for straightening me out. I'm sure you think it's yours and Hume's job to do so. Thank the lord for those who are holier than thou. :)

[Oceansaway]

3. .

Yes 45% (781 Clicks)

No 55% (962 Clicks)

Total: 1,743

[marshall]

4. Separation of church and state?

How far does it go?

[michreject]

12. Well it doesn't ban a private company

That pays taxes from voicing their opinion.

Not that I agree with his approach. 1st Amendment works both sides.

[FBaggins]

13. How is that even relevant here?

The state isn't involved here (nor really is the church).

[Buzz Clik]

23. What is the relevance here? Hume was offering his opinion as a private person.

In no context could Hume be construed as a representative of the government.

[Orsino]

8. Yes.

Far right.

[FBaggins]

9. Warning... the question is worded in the other direction

If you answer the poll as if you're answering the OP's question... you'll get it wrong.

[Ignis]

10. kick

:kick:

[Blue Owl]

14. That idiot can say whatever he wants

He's the one who gets to look stupid.

[Fridays Child]

20. I knew it!

I knew, when I saw your avatar, that you'd be from Minnesota. When I was a kid, up in Nisswa, we shopped at the Red Owl grocery store. And the little red owl symbol looked just like your blue one. Are the stores called Blue Owl, now?

[Blue Owl]

36. Red Owl

Yes it's the old Red Owl logo which is no longer in business, unfortunately. It was my favorite logo & store as a kid.

Was going to use "Red Owl" as my screen name -- but then I realized I didn't want anyone thinkin' I'm a REPUKE (so hence the "Blue Owl" moniker)

[Fridays Child]

39. Good idea!

:D

[callous taoboy]

15. I vote yes. I like to know who to never take seriously again.

[Buzz Clik]

24. Oy. My defining moment for Brit Hume happened long ago.

[Fridays Child]

17. If this were a random poll, I'd be concerned that so many responders think what Hume said is okay.

But there are probably five or six threads--all on fire--over at the freepturd republic, exhorting the mouth breathers to vote, ditch their cookies, and vote again, as many times as it takes to skew the results. It's fun to vote in these little online polls but they are really pretty meaningless, don't you think? Of course, the problem is that FuckSnooze probably reports the results of intentionally corrupted online polls as solid evidence of support for their hateful world view.

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. The comments section is full of people in favor of what he said, although some are

looking at it from a free speech issue.

Personally, while I believe in free speech, I think newsreaders and journalists should be circumspect when it comes to voicing their opinions. Leave that to their colleagues in punditry.

[newtothegame]

30. I've never understood that here or on Freeperville.

Why do people obsess so much about flooding a poll with unscientific votes? It's really fairly pathetic, get a life people.

[devilgrrl]

18. NPR Poll - Does NPR Suck?

Yes.

[Better Today]

25. He doesn't have to be right/correct in order to have the right to say...n/t

[yellerpup]

26. Done.

Yes 46% (1,040 Clicks)
No 54% (1,213 Clicks)
Total: 2,253

[newtothegame]

27. Done, but what's the point of flooding these polls?

To make an unscientific poll more unscientific?

[myrna minx]

29. I was hoping that this was going to be that Sarah Palin NPR poll.

:D

[RainDog]

32. what's wrong about it is that it's a pack of lies

it's bullshit and this person is supposed to be a news commentator?

he's a joke.

[LiberalFighter]

33. By making the statement that Hume made he is saying that

as long as one is a professed Christian they can do anything they want and be forgiven. If you are not then the person has to meet a higher standard then everyone else.

[NashVegas]

34. From a Practical Standpoint, He's Correct

All Tiger would need is a good Road-to-Damascus moment to talk about and throw himself on public mercy, and he'd be forgiven and adored in a heartbeat.

[lame54]

40. Your OP title is the opposite of the question asked in the poll

[spanone]

41. america is one fucked up nation.... slip sliding toward a theocracy

[seeinfweggos]

42. Bill O'Reily agrees with Hume

On last night's O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly put the question about proselytizing to Hume, and Brit explained himself this way:

"Tiger Woods is somebody I've always rooted for. ... Now we know that the content of his character was not what we thought it was. He is paying a frightful price for these revelations. My sense is that he has basically lost his family. ... My sense about Tiger is that he needs something that Christianity, especially, provides and gives and offers. And that is redemption and foregiveness."


So the loofa guy agrees.

well. alright then

[Deep13]

45. Big surprise. Why don't we get a copy of the 10 commandments...

...read news stories about Billo and check off the commandments as he breaks them.

[seeinfweggos]

48. and a columns to check off as he moralizes on each to the rest

of us poor sinners.

[BlueMTexpat]

43. It's now at 50% for both answers

although the number of those voting "Yes" is slightly higher.

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I voted "yes." Hume was wrong to say it, IMO.

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. 50/50

wtf

[Capn Sunshine]

50. HEY! It's TIED!

Night shift, get busy!

[Unrepentant Fenian]

51. Done, 49/51, we're still behind

[gopiscrap]

52. Holy shit it's 49-51

[Capn Sunshine]

53. the night -night shift needs to take over

clearly Freep has discovered this poll as well.