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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:47 PM
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05JAN2010: I challenge EVERY AMERICAN to cancel their health insurance TODAY!
I am serious as a fatal heart attack (and that's exactly what the "FOR-PROFITs" will experience overnight)!

We already have an IMPERFECT "public option" ... every AMERICAN can get the health care (medical, dental, mental-health) they need. Simply use YOUR ZIP CODE and search for "subsidized centers" near you... click this link to begin your journey of independence: http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

RADICAL? You bet your ass it's radical... but if we all do that TODAY... you can bet your last dollar that CONGRESS and the health care industry "FOR-PROFITs" ... will start signing a much different tune.

IOW: vote with your POCKETBOOK today... I guarantee you'll get their attention (and likely a SINGLE-PAYER system soon thereafter)!

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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:49 PM
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1. I cancelled mine over 10 years ago.
I'm way ahead of you...
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. out-standing!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:04 PM
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20. So, did you cancel your health insurance today? Did you?
You haven't really disclosed that. You're encouraging others to do so, so let us know which insurance company you cancelled on and the group number of your policy. That won't disclose any personal info, and would give us at least some evidence that you even had insurance to cancel.

Or is this a "Let's you and him fight" sort of deal, and you don't even have health insurance to cancel?
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:20 PM
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39. Cowardice that can be counted upon...
Tell ya what- If I go get health insurance, and then cancel it... will you cancel yours?

Or are you every bit as full of hot air as you accuse the OP of being?

(And let me guess... cancelling 10 years ago doesn't count- it has to be today. Going without for 10 years doesn't count, only having the "courage to stop today" counts? Why don't you just say you don't have the nerve to go without, and let it rest?)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. Why did you cancel yours 10 yrs ago? Have you been happy without it? Are you still?
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:20 AM
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92. I cancelled it 10 years ago because the prices were rising so fast for such crappy coverage...
that not paying for coverage and saving the money to cover anything I needed to pay for seemed like a financially wiser choice.

It also gave me some incentive to exercise more, especially as a heavy drinking smoker.

Yes, I have been delighted without it. And yes, I'm still happy without it. With a public option that would've theoretically given reasonable coverage for a reasonable price, I was all ready to consider actually paying. A mandate to buy one of the private plans that I turned down 10 years ago?? Not fucking likely.

I am 95% certain that the tax penalty will be cheaper than paying for a bullshit private insurance plan. I'm also 95% certain that paying out of pocket (or going to an ER to take advantage of the "benefits" of my tax penalty) will be cheaper than paying for the "out of pocket" extra expenses that would go along with the mandated plan that I am expected to buy.

I will not be buying the private insurance plans. I will ignore the tax penalty expectations until the IRS comes after me for it. I am, actually, seriously considering leaving the country when the IRS notices I'm not paying.

Why stay?, when the jobs are all being exported, but the expenses to support the benefits of those whose jobs haven't been exported are being spread out among those of us who are trying to get by in the cracks of the economy?...

The only real question I see is whether the economy will improve enough by the time the health insurance tax hits to make it worth paying... versus the complications of finding work abroad.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. I have health insurance and I'm keeping it. I turn 65 in July,
and will go on Medicare.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:50 PM
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2. You go first, and let us know when you've done it.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:52 PM by MineralMan
Me, not so much. I'm just six months away from Medicare and I'm completely unwilling to risk that six months. But you do what works for you.

You do have health insurance, right? It's one you pay for yourself, too, right?

You just let us know when you've cancelled...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:51 PM
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3. No.
:rofl:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:51 PM
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4. no thanks nt
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:52 PM
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5. Dumbest...post...evah
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:52 PM by jpak
truly stupid

:thumbsdown:
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. well, aren't you the "intellectual" ... voting with your pocketboot works, ALWAYS!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:57 PM
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11. Already with the insults, eh? Feh!
You haven't answered my question yet. You have health insurance now, do you? Paid for by yourself?

Again, you go first, and show us you mean business.

And the insults are unwelcome.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:02 PM
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18. insults? stating the obvious is an insult?
Allow me to remind you... the reply was directed toward someone who said this about my post: Dumbest...post...evah

I simply observed that they must be an "intellectual" ... and pointed-out that voting with your pocketbook, ALWAYS works...

how is that an insult?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:05 PM
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22. Your intention is good, your approach perhaps misguided
:hi:

Latte liberals practically hyperventilate at the thought of accessing public health care - you know, hanging out in clinics with all those impoverished loser scumbags, getting less than adequate care. They're very happy with their employer-paid insurance.

You want to encourage people without insurance to access public clinics, if they aren't already. The HCR bill will eventually force the comfy people into mandated premiums and then they'll come crying to you "BUT WE MUST DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY!" But until then they'll fight you tooth and nail
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:15 PM
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35. wtf? I have worked at and used public health care and your post is offensive
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 04:17 PM by uppityperson
I finally can get insurance through an employer, for which I pay and am very glad for it. Did you get that, I am the one who pays.

As far as "Latte liberals", again offensive. I am finally able to get insurance through an employer because my personal business failed and I have to go to work for someone else. I am VERY glad to have a job, but am very stressed at what I do. "Latte liberals" indeed. I wish I could afford a latte, but can't.

Your comment about "hanging out in clinics with all those impoverished loser scumbags" is offensive. Seriously. I know it is sarcasm, or at least hope so, but wtf are you going on about? I have worked in public health and we do the best we can with what we have, primarily prevention.

"getting less than adequate care", again wtf? Most public health clinics are for prevention, NOT for emergencies and no, you typically can NOT get emergency care there.

Good grief.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #22
55. thank you for your thoughtful reply...

I realize not everyone will follow my suggestion. My point is... this FIGHT can (and eventually WILL) be won.

IF FOLLOWED BY EVERY AMERICAN (not just DU'ers, or progressives, or DEMs, or Males, or Females, or what-have-ye), you can BET that CONGRESS (both houses) will be scrambling to put SINGLE-PAYER into effect (not in 2014, but THIS YEAR)! The very first sign will be:

* their phones ringing off the hook, and their offices crowded... by the health care industry FOR-PROFIT cry-babies

* their answer should be: look you GREED-MONGERS, you had your chance... the people have VOTED (with their pocketbooks)
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #22
94. Wow, not only am I a racist, I'm also a latte liberal who hates the poor!
It's amazing the things I learn from the SuperGeniuses on DU every day.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:06 PM
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You don't like intellectuals? Too smart for you, are they?
The fact that the poster recognized your idea as dumb (I'd have used the word "stupid, but that's neither here nor there) means he/she is an "intellectual?"

You have amazing powers of deduction, it seems. Now, can you answer my earlier questions?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:00 PM
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79. Pay my medical bills until I qualify for Medicare and I will take you up on this stupid idea
But I want to see the money up front in escrow first...

:rolf:
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #8
80. Pay my medical bills until I qualify for Medicare and I will take you up on this stupid idea
But I want to see the money up front in escrow first...

:rofl:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:52 PM
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6. Excellent link
Thanks for posting that
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:53 PM
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7. I'm 60, I've not seen a doctor or visited a hospital in 20+ years... there are viable "alternatives"
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:58 PM
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12. So, you don't have insurance, right?
Is that how it is? Let's you and him fight, eh? No, thanks.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:00 PM
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15. Alternatives, is it?
So, what viable "alternatives" are there for the folks who are diabetic or have cancer? What "alternatives" will you use for a broken leg or appendicitis? I'm very eager to hear about these. Eager, indeed...
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #15
95. Hey, if you're not willing to use free clinics
you're an elitist scumbag latte sipper, driving your foreign car over the backs of the working class!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:56 PM
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9. Ooh. let us also boycott one of the major fuel companies, that will
bring the gas prices down.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:59 PM
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13. no thank you. I have subsidized private insurance administered by the state
I have no intention of dropping it.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:59 PM
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14. What terrible advice. Health insurance for the middle class is the only thing preventing
financial ruin for a lot of families.

You'd really tell the parents of a child with asthma to cancel their insurance? Really?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. But, but....there are viable "alternatives,"
according to the OP, who, it seems, doesn't have any health insurance him/herself. Let's you and him fight! That's the battle cry, it seems.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:08 PM
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27. LOL, he's healthy so we should give up our health insurance to make some kind of point?
What a maroon.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #14
58. "Health Insurance" is also CAUSING financial ruin in Middle Class families.
Over 1/2 Families filing bankruptcy due to Medical Costs last year HAD INSURANCE.

Only in America.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:52 PM
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72. And cancelling what little protection you have helps how? n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
90. Did you see "Sicko"?
If you did, you need to watch it again - and pay attention this time.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:00 PM
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16. It is a great idea, but no. I for one, would be terrified to cancel mine and not be able to
get reinstated. As much as it would be a just cause I am sure you cannot get the entire public to go for it, so those who do can face bankruptcies, further penalizations. Ever since I was hit by a car 30 years ago, noone in my family goes without health insurance even if it means less food or other hardships.
We are all progressives, but I know for a fact it would cause pure panic in my family, for example.
I am NOT saying our health insurance is good, or sufficient in any way. I absolutely support single-payer.
just saying this is not the best strategy in this particular case.
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jschurchin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:03 PM
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19. I would love too
However, as a condition of my employment I MUST have health care coverage. Whether it is with my employer, or through my spouse, I MUST maintain coverage.
At times this clause in my agreement with my employer cause me great heartache, I knew it was part of my employment conditions when I went to work for them, so I really can't bitch.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. I can appreciate your dilemma... as well as the concerns of everyone else who

has chosen to REPLY (attack or not) my proposition.

Check the link in my OP for yourself... they can NOT deny you, period. They *MUST* provide primary care to you, our family, and to everyone who walks in their door.

My proposition is the ONLY way we will ever get "health care costs" under control (read that as a SINGLE PAYER system ... doing away with the "greedy insurance moguls" completely).

I also am not so naive to think that everyone will follow my suggestion. I am simply stating the obvious...

Peace & Light
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Will you even follow your suggestion? If I were suggesting something
as drastic as you have suggested, my second sentence would be about my cancellation of a health insurance policy. I'd put up some evidence.

So, will you put up your cancellation? Did you cancel. Did you even have a health insurance policy to cancel?

As the saying goes, put up or....
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #26
40. You are wrong. Those accessible to me are not available as I live in wrong county
There are NONE in my county and those within driving distance (assuming I have gas for my car and fare for the ferries) CAN deny me because I live in a different county.

Have YOU canceled your insurance?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:04 PM
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21. Interesting link, none there for me and no thank you
I am just getting insurance and there is no way I will cancel it TODAY! Checking your link, there are no options for me, all that show are for other counties. My kid was in college in one of those counties, we tried getting into one of those clinics and the openings they had were extremely limited. Kid needed to plan illness/dental issues a couple months out, which can be quite difficult since emergencies aren't usually planned.

So no, thank you anyway. I am just getting ON insurance and pleased to be doing so. There are other ways to work with money grubbing insurance companies.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:05 PM
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23. hmmmmm. Let's say 50,000 people participate at DU.
The United States Population is 308,429,773. The insured in the Unites States are about 85% of that, or 262,165,307. If all 50,000 DUers decide to drop out of the system - well, that's a lost of 0.019%.

Yeah I don't think this plan is going to work. Maybe I lowballed the number of people likely to respond to this post. Maybe it's something like 300,000 people participating at DU. In that case it would be closer to 0.114%. I'm still not sure that would convince them to sing a different tune.

Bryant
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:06 PM
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24. I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you're not sick or relying on any Rx meds right now. Silly.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. He/she uses viable "alternative" options for health care.
No prescriptions. No doctors. Or so he/she says.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. and that's a fact... I do NOT "do" doctors or prescription drugs (and I realize not
everyone can follow my advice).
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. For the final time, have you cancelled your health insurance today?
Do you even have health insurance.

Two simple questions, but you seem to be avoiding them.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #30
44. as I have recently posted elsewhere on DU... I am a fully retired
military enlisted type. I have not seen a doctor since my REQUIRED retirement physical. While in the military, my only visits were REQUIRED "re-enlistment physicals".

OTOH: a family member (in their 50s) lost their job, had no assets whatsoever, was in an accident... spent nearly four months in a DOCTOR-drug-induced-coma, in ICU & CCU. For the past year they have been in & out of hospital... taking a variety of meds, is on oxygen, etc. etc. etc. ... they have not paid one penny for the care (hospital, doctors, labs, tests, drugs) which they received (with NO DENIALS whatsoever, BTW). They were recently qualified for 100% social security disability.

You can believe me, or not, makes no difference to me. Point is... if every American calls their bluff (votes with their pocketbook)... SINGLE PAYER will be ours.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. You have VA health insurance but chose not to use it. Got it.
So the rest of us should cancel ours. Got it.

No. I won't. Guess I'm not a True American. And no, I'm not going to get certified as Disabled either.

OTOH, I helped take care of a person who died from an easily treatable cancer, but she chose not to because didn't like doctors.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. Let's You and Him Fight! I'm OK. I've got mine.
That appears to be the situation. Never fucking mind...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. Ah, retired military. Then you have health insurance provided by
the government. How nice for you. I don't think you can cancel that, so if you get a serious illness, you'll get treatment.

But you want other people to cancel their insurance, even though you are insured due to your military retirement.

Way to go! Let's You and Him Fight! The battle cry of someone with nothing to lose.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #50
82. Yes, what you said. Retirees (I am one) have available three
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 05:08 PM by Obamanaut
levels of Tricare insurance to choose from. The most expensive is 'Prime', and that is under $20/month. The least costly is $0.

At age 65 we switch to Medicare, with Tricare for Life as the supplement, at $0. And a real good Rx plan.

I cannot imagine someone with this available suggesting to other folks they stop paying for insurance. The ones who forego then go without, while the one suggesting such foolishness continues blithely on his way with the same coverage as before.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Yes, it is hypocritical to do that. It's easy for someone with an
excellent medical plan to suggest that others give up their less excellent ones. There's nothing to lose for the OP.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. and for someone like me that cannot live without an Rx?
Good luck with never having to "do" doctors
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. You need crystal healing or some such crap.
Don't worry about our OP. He's retired military, and has coverage for any serious illnesses he may contract. When he falls down with a stroke or heart attack, he'll be cared for.

But, he wants the rest of us to fight. He has nothing to lose.

I've got mine...to Hell with you. Where have I heard that before?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #54
64. yup. But I know what your problem is
you got hini vx'd today and aren't thinking straight. :sarcasm: just in case
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. Wow! Ya think? Has it already damaged my brain?
Oh noes!
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. No Rx and no Drs are unfortunately no solution to chronic medical issues. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Ain't it the troof?
So, I just got my H1N1 vaccine today (Walgreens has them now, for $18. See their website). I suppose that would be a horror...

Still, I don't recognize the screen name from the anti-vaxxer threads, so perhaps not.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. So 2 BMs a day = alternative medical care?
:woohoo:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Coffee enemas?
Crystal healing, perhaps.
Moxibustion?

The "alternatives" are endless, if not viable.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:13 PM
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33. You gotta have it to cancel it.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:15 PM
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36. Most of the ones near me are in or near public housing projects.
For someone of my income level to try and use already scarce resources that are there for people who truly need it would be as disgusting as my using a food bank because I'm protesting against evil corporate grocery stores. I'd be taking services out of the mouths of people who truly need it in order to give myself pointless liberal cred.

So no thanks.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:17 PM
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38. Fuck no!
I just went a year without health insurance. I'm not about to give it up now for your dumbass nonsense idea.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:21 PM
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41. I cancelled mine yesterday.
Because I am leaving this fucking country.

Bye bye. Good luck.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:30 PM
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47. See ya...
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:32 PM
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48. No, not "every American can get the health care they need".
What a grossly untrue statement. Those clinics are great for people who need STD testing, or who have obvious, easily treatable conditions. Not so great for people who have more complex or more subtle health issues.

And forget about emergency rooms. You won't even be seen unless it seems more or less like an emergency.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:33 PM
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49. I sit on the board of one of the health clinics on that list...
... and indeed, have been using it since being "priced out" of insurance on my own (I'm a freelancer). Oddly, though, I get more check-ups, etc., now since I couldn't really afford to use the insurance when I had it...

As for your suggestion, consumer strikes always have merit, but people -- even (especially?) comfortable liberals, don't have the stomach for it. Yet.

Ergo, as is basic with any negotiation, if you're not ultimately willing to walk away, the other side has already won.

Since we're not willing to walk away -- in any serious numbers -- from cars, insurance policies, credit cards, etc., the oligarchs will win. There are exceptions -- people with chronic conditions who can't afford to cancel their policies, etc.

But even those in a position to "ratchet down" their participation in a necrotic economic system rarely do.

Of course, the coming implosion(s) will bring about a lot of "ratcheting down," whether they will it or no...
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:49 AM
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96. I find it funny when healthy people berate me for not doing what they want
I suppose my diabetes and whatever mystery illness making it impossible for my wife to work will take care of themselves. How many rheumatologists and endocinologists work at these free clinics?

No, it's easier for people like you to pretend to be revolutionaries and make blanket, idiotic statements about "comfortable" liberals not doing what you do. It only lends credence to wingnut jackasses who claim that people on the left want shared misery instead of prosperity.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #96
100. First, all best wishes in your -- and your wife's -- healing
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 01:56 AM by villager
the maintenance of your health, etc.

However, you lash out at me after misunderstanding my post.

I noted there are obviously situations where people *cannot* do this -- just as there are situations where people cannot afford to get arrested in civil disobedience.

that doesn't mean civil disobedience isn't a good tactic, however, nor does it mean a "rent strike" against the health insurance bandits/companies isn't a good -- if not overdue -- idea.

But consider the people like yourself -- and your wife -- with no recourse to medical care, because of the way our system is set up. Those are the injustices we seek to redress.

(And why I volunteer my time at a community health clinic!)

Take care.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:36 PM
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52. I have ins. through my employer so I can't get rid of it except to get
about $300 per year in cash.

But then my RA illness would kill me.

But I will check out your links

And even toss ya an "R"
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #52
63. I checked the link and there are seval providers near me
But I could currently use them and let them bill my HIP insurance. Right? Why should I cancel my insurance?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:49 PM
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68. OK.. I've look at my choice
It is our ghetto clinic.
I like it my self - all my clients go there and I know the staff..
I cannot afford to utilize my current insurance because my co-payments are too high. I'm gonna check with the clinic and see if I can be treated there and if it will cost me any less.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:36 PM
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53. I can't cancel what I can't afford and don't have.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. The OP is "fully retired military." He has lifetime insurance,
and it's single payer. He wants you and me to fight. He doesn't have to.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. the OP "paid" for his VA benefits, which he does not use (never has, never
will)...

But you seem to be missing the point I am making here. That's OK... and your insults and attacks are OK as well.

Peace & Light
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:49 PM
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66. You have no insurance to cancel, so your words are hollow.
You are asking people to risk their own health while you sit pretty and able to get medical care if you need it. Pretty nice position.

I'm a vet, too, and I will be using the VA pharmacy benefits once I go on Medicare. You can be sure, though, that I will not be calling for people who have to pay for their insurance and have no single-payer solution to cancel their policy.

Telling others to do what you have no need to do is hypocrisy. You'll get the care you need when you fall over with a serious illness. Not so the people you're telling to drop their health insurance.

You claim not to used doctors or prescriptions. That's good. At 60, you're still young. However, when your chest feels like an elephant is sitting on it and a severe pain is running down your left arm, I'm betting you'll let them put you on a gurney and take you to the hospital. In fact, I can almost guarantee it.

Please don't tell others to do something you won't do, don't need to do, and don't have to do. That sort of thing just plain sucks!
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. ~ your silence is golden ~
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. Ah. Telling others to do what you have no need to do is hypocrisy
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. I am rarely silent, and I will never be silent.
I call things what they are. You are just another "Let's you and him fight" sayer. You're not in this fight. You have nothing to lose.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. "never will" use your VA benefits? hahahahaha. Can I borrow your crystal ball?
You seem to be missing the point that you are calling for others to do what you can not do. You have insurance provided you for the rest of your life. I have to pay for mine. You tell me I need to be an AMERICAN and drop my insurance. You tell me there are options, giving me a link which shows there are NOT options for me.

You miss the point.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #60
88. No, the OP did not pay for any benefits. The taxpayers paid for a
reasonable salary, for health care for dependents and self while on active duty, and if retired Tricare is a available which includes a good Rx plan as well as medical care.

Even though military pay is taxable, it must be remembered that the ENTIRE pay and benefits package for active and retired military is funded by the taxpayers of the country - those very same taxpayers who, while you continue to be eligible for care, you suggest give up their own eligibility.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #88
98. We all pay for our healthcare and health insurance.
People serving in the military are to be commended, but they pay for their healthcare in the same way as the rest of us. They work for an employer that has healthcare as one of the benefits, just like other employers do.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:13 AM
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99. But it is part of the overall compensation package. Most people, when
they say they pay for insurance, actually write a check or have a deduction from their salary.

We (I'm including myself) did not. Upon retirement we were eligible for health care. I retired in 1988, and do not recall any of the fees that far back, but currently pay less than $20/month for Miz O coverage with Tricare - and there are plans available that are less costly but with higher daily hospital rates and higher copay.

I am covered by medicare with Tricare for life as supplemental insurance - $96.40 for medicare, $0 for supplemental.

Many people, upon retirement, no longer have the benefit of 'employer paid' insurance, but must pay a humongus monthly amount for coverage. Retired military do not - taxpayers foot the bill.

When/if a military retiree suggests that everyone stop paying for health insurance to hurt the companies, that retiree is not giving up squat - he was covered yesterday, and will be today and tomorrow. He might choose not to use any of it, but the umbrella of protection is there.

I appreciate it now, and appreciated it when on active duty, and appreciated it when Miz O had a motorcycle accident and was life flighted to the hospital. That episode did not bankrupt us. We got behind somewhat because of the distance to the hospital, later to the rehab hospital, the overnight stays for me at motels, eating out, etc., - but the medical expense did not bankrupt us.

For any taxpaying citizen reading this, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
57. So I should endanager the lives of my wife, children, and mother for politics?
I am willing to march in a national strike, but not endanger the lives of family members.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Especially since the one calling for you to do that has
medical coverage, and single payer, at that, because he is retired military. Feh!
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. again, you miss my point... and apparently missed my account of
a family member who has gotten well over one million $$$ worth of excellent care (which the "American public" current has the option of getting as well).

<...sigh...>
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:52 PM
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73. Didn't you say that person was in an accident, then a doctor induced coma?
So that is all I have to do to get "excellent care"? Tell that to my friend who was unable to get hospice care before dying because couldn't afford to pay for it. Actually, never mind as she died.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. I have missed nothing whatsoever.
You want people to do something risky that you can't do, don't need to do, and won't do.

You have lifetime insurance. It is part of your retirement. You are safe.

Others haven't that luxury. You're asking people to do something you won't do. Just as I suspected.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #65
83. The American public doesn't have the option of getting military care or tricare (former military).
I'm retired Navy, that system simply is not available. Canceling health insurance by the masses will make it so.

I've no problem with risking myself, but I will not put my family at risk with my behavior.
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gopwacker_455 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:42 PM
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59. can't. too risky
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:44 PM
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61. And then you can't get insurance again because you have a preexisting condition
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:49 PM
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69. And then what?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:57 PM
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77. Nope. Sounds like a stupid idea.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:59 PM
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78. i'm always late to the party.
:popcorn:

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #78
84. But, the popcorn still has butter and salt, so it's all good.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:59 AM
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97. *chuckle*
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:05 PM
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81. Let's not and say we did.
Radical isn't the word -- try idiotic.

There would be no need to hold their breaths waiting for single payer, in the cases of those who perished because they couldn't access the already-inadequate care they can access through their health coverage.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:26 PM
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86. Problem is, DU readers are not 'everyone' and everyone is needed.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:07 PM
Response to Original message
87. Wow...just
Wow.


I get Tricare too, on account of Mr Pip's being retired USAF


Plus I have Medicare on my own.


At times I see what other people are going through because they don't have health insurance and I feel sort of guilty for having decent coverage.


Would I be willing to give it up, though?

I don't think so!


And I wouldn't ask someone else to do something I wouldn't be willing to do myself.



So I'll say what a couple of others have said...

you go first. Tell the military you don't want their stinking insurance, then let us all know how it works out for ya.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:19 PM
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89. boy, wouldnt that make me stupid. nt
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:14 PM
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91. nothing to cancel
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:43 AM
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93. what a truly moronic suggestion.
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