Holy Shite - two of the so called CIA agents were

[malaise]

Blackwater employees (of the seven killed) - DUers always get it right. That was posted here from day one.
From Rachel.

add for clarity

[PhilosopherKing]

1. What does this mean exactly?

?

[Lint Head]

3. It means that Xe/Blackwater has been involved in murder

and torture all along. How does it feel to have a 'private' corporation making decisions for our Constitutionally created military.

We are already corporate slaves. End corporate rights now! We will never get what we deserve as American citizens until corporate personage rights are utterly destroyed.


Imagine this Xe copter over your home. Who will they kill next?

[StrawDog44]

6. OK

If corporations, all corporations were to disappear tomorrow, then what? Sorry to say that corporations are needed. Now if you want to discuss golden parachutes and how employees are treated, then I'm with ya.

[Hekate]

23. Eliminating "corporate personhood" does not eliminate corporations. What it is...

It is the assertion, upheld by the Supreme Court, that a corporation is the same as a human person, with all of the Constitutional rights of a human person, such as the right to lobby the government. Oddly, while a human being eventually dies, a corporation is essentially immortal.

Googling "corporate personhood" gives you many links; this is only one.

Hekate

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate

The corporate personhood debate refers to the controversy (primarily in the United States) over the question of what subset of rights afforded under the law to natural persons should also be afforded to corporations as legal persons.

In the United States, corporations were recognized as having rights to contract, and to have those contracts honored the same as contracts entered into by natural persons, in Dartmouth College v. Woodward Corporations were recognized as persons for purposes of the 14th Amendment in an 1886 Supreme Court Case, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394. Some critics of corporate personhood, such as author Thom Hartmann in his book "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," claim that this was an intentional misinterpretation of the case inserted into the Court record by reporter J.C. Bancroft Davis. <1> Bancroft Davis had previously served as president of Newburgh and New York Railway Co.

Proponents of corporate personhood believe that corporations, as representatives of their shareholders, were intended by the founders and framers to enjoy many, if not all, of the same rights as natural persons, for example, the right against self-incrimination, right to privacy and the right to lobby the government. >snip<

The Green Party<2>, the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, and former Vice-President Al Gore <3> have objected to the idea of corporate personhood. Their objections focus on constitutional protections granted to corporations, including claims of a Constitutional right to contribute to political campaigns, under consideration in the U.S. Supreme Court as of November 2009.<4>. Gore argues that, because of the 1886 decision, "the 'monopolies in commerce' that Jefferson had wanted to prohibit in the Bill of Rights were full-blown monsters, crushing competition from smaller businesses, bleeding farmers with extortionate shipping costs, and buying politicians at every level of government" <3>. >snip<

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[jwirr]

24. How about multinational corporations - are they also needed?

[stray cat]

9. It sounds like they are working for your president under his orders

[bleever]

11. Whose president?

[BeFree]

2. Tin foil hattery says:

That several of the people killed knew too much and were gonna sing.

Given that Obama is letting people off the hook right and left, there seems to be some deep politics going down.

[chimpymustgo]

29. Can you elaborate on your theory?

[JoeyT]

41. I'm not sure why they'd bother

It isn't as if we're willing to prosecute anyone for anything anyway.

[Peace Patriot]

4. Do you have a source? nt

[malaise]

5. Rachel Maddow reported it

a few minutes ago and promised more tomorrow.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. What was her source? n/t

[malaise]

7. Just found this Peace Patriot

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:6cd5f4edc70ebe3e29138561be0367b8:e7ffb8828c3c79a5f680a609af042e26/Two-of-the-Seven-CIA-Agents-Killed-in--Gather
<snip>
The Taliban claims responsibiltiy for the attack on the CIA in Afghanistan which killed Seven CIA agents and wounded six. Two of the agents were contractors employed by Xe, formerly known as Blackwater. The U.S. says this was a terrorist attack on a U.S. base and it will be avenged

[BunkerHill24]

8. Thank you, malaise

K&R

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

13. That's just something from gather.com linked by someone on Yahoo.

It's not an actual news item.

[malaise]

15. Well Rachel reported it as well n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. Again, source? n/t

[Jamastiene]

36. Does CNN count as an actual news item?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/31/afghanistan.us.casualties/

[Peace Patriot]

16. Thanks, Malaise! There is some more discussion about this event at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x507972

[malaise]

20. Thanks n/t

[bananas]

17. CNN: "The CIA considers contractors to be officers."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/31/afghanistan.us.casualties/index.html

Source: 2 killed in Afghanistan bombing were security contractors

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Two of the seven CIA officers killed Wednesday in a suspected terrorist attack on a U.S. base in Afghanistan were contractors for Xe, a private security firm formerly known as Blackwater, a former intelligence official said Thursday.

A current intelligence official confirmed to CNN that the casualties included a mix of people -- CIA staff and contractors. The CIA considers contractors to be officers.

<snip>

Former CIA official Robert Richer called it "the greatest loss of life for the Central Intelligence Agency since the Beirut Embassy bombing" in 1983, which killed eight agents.

Flags at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, flew at half-staff Thursday.

<snip>

[bleever]

10. K&R.

Lots of unraveling left to do. Lots.

[dkf]

12. I don't get it. CIA employs Blackwater and we call them CIA agents?

Weird.

[Quantess]

18. Great to know,

but that still doesn't mean people should celebrate their deaths.

[laststeamtrain]

21. K & R - Phoenix Program. Same shit but with outsourcing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x507770

[malaise]

22. Goof link

Thanks

[malaise]

27. That was supposed to be good link

:D

[spanone]

25. i do not like it, not one little bit

[tekisui]

26. Two of the dead were Xe, working right along side the CIA,

even considered agents by the CIA.

Two dead were from Jordan. One being the triple-agent bomber and his translator. I am assuming the two Xe employees were not the Jordanians?

[malaise]

30. Good question since mercenaries

can come from anywhere. What did Machiavelli say about mercenary armies again?

[Snazzy]

33. one from Washington

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/1017652.html

CIA bombing victim from DuPont

MATT MISTEREK; The News Tribune
Published: 01/06/10 12:05 am | Updated: 01/06/10 12:39 am


A DuPont resident and former Fort Lewis soldier was one of seven U.S. intelligence agents killed by a suicide bomber who infiltrated a base in Afghanistan last week, his widow said Tuesday.

Dane Clark Paresi, a retired Army master sergeant, died Dec. 30 in the blast at a forward military base in Khost province, on the restive Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

...

She credited her husband’s employer, Xe Services (formerly Blackwater), for keeping her informed and taking care of the family’s emotional, financial and other needs over the past several days.

[Snazzy]

34. the other Virginia

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/exseal-killed-suicide-attack-was-xe-employee

Ex-SEAL killed in suicide attack was Xe employee

By Bill Sizemore
The Virginian-Pilot
© January 6, 2010

VIRGINIA BEACH

Jeremy Wise, the former Navy SEAL killed in a suicide bomber's attack on a CIA base in Afghanistan last week, was working for Xe, the Moyock, N.C.-based security company previously known as Blackwater.

....

[aikoaiko]

32. Probably but contractors have been hireing worldwide for a while

[invictus]

28. K&R

[EFerrari]

31. Have you read the Vanity Fair article on Eric MF Pince?

He basically is threatening to graymail CIA.

[malaise]

37. Fascinating stuff

That's the problem with mercenaries.

[rgbecker]

35. Well, finally Al Quade goes after the CIA, instead of bothering with innocent civilians.

I think we will see more of this, once they see how effective it is.

Remember the attack on Langley by guys on the street with guns at morning rush hour....before 9/11?

What was that about?

[FogerRox]

39. All that was done was to go after the drone base. As was originally reported.

Now was the Xe dude letting the bombers inside to knock off the ALQ expert? THose guys dont think much of using drones and Xe has the Drone contract, so was this an attempt to save th contract and somebodies paycheck...

[Sebastian Doyle]

38. So then let's just let all the various factions of terrorists fight among themselves

and leave us out of it.

Al Qaeda/CIA/Blackwater - not a damn bit of difference among the three of them.

Let them all kill each other for all I care, just as long as they aren't doing it on the American taxpayers' dime anymore.

[malaise]

40. +1 n/t