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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:12 PM
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I talked to some anti-abortion protesters at the Hardees.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 03:25 PM by Are_grits_groceries
I was going to the Hardees to get me a sausage biscuit. When I was almost there I could see a couple of people out and about on the sidewalk. I assumed they were people and not just moving piles of clothes. People here tend to bundle up when the sun goes down much less when it is this cold. I have seen people at this area before. I've spoken to a couple of them.

This time there were 2 elderly people. There was a man carrying a sign, and a woman with a sign taped on and pushing a baby carriage with a doll in it. I assumed it was a doll anyway. I was surprised that they would be out in this weather, but they've probably gotten all stirred up with the hooha on Faux Noise.

I got out of my car and gave a big wave to them, and asked how they were doing. They mumbled something through the clothing. I didn't think they were the people I had talked to before. I was dressed up too. I had on my John Deere hat with ear flaps hanging down loose. I was wearing an old black sweatshirt with paint splatters on it. Underneath I had a couple of shirts on, and nothing was tucked in. My jeans had holes in them, and so did the old pair of skippies I had pulled on. My socks were showing through. All I needed was a chaw, but I have done that once. It was enough.

I walked over to them and chatted about the weather and whatnot for a minute or two. Most people will chat back, and they were no exception. I leaned down and looked in the baby carriage, and sure enough there was a baby doll all bundled up in it. I decided to make some mischief.

I leaned over, and talked to the doll just like I thought it was real. I did some baby talk, and then I asked the woman if I could hold her. The lady was now giving me a wary eye, but I was being way polite. I widened my eyes and looked as dumb as a stump. The lady kind of nodded her head.

I picked the doll up, and began talking about what a pretty child she was. I put her over my shoulder and asked what her name was. The man was now standing beside the woman, and they both were keeping a close eye on me. They didn't answer so I said she looked like a Rose. Then I said that she was too pretty to be just a Rose so I thought she had to be a 'Lily Rose.'

They said they hadn't named her yet, and I chattered on about how I had an aunt that didn't have a real name until she was 12 years old. My grandparents called her 'Biddy' until they decided that Barbara would do. Of course, she never got away from the name Biddy, but she would smack the hell out of anybody who called her that after she got her a real name. (That is a true story by the way.) I told them that I understood and that something would come to them that sounded right.

They were really keeping a close eye on me now. People tend to do that when they think you're crazy.

I asked them if they helped take care of the babies that were born when the mothers decided to have them. They muttered something. I said that I wanted to donate some money to their organization that helped take care of those babies because a lot of new mothers didn't have a lot. I said that Lily Rose had better clothes than some of my cousins' children. I helped them out when I could.

They were mumbling things at me and trying to answer my questions. They said they belonged to 'The Church of Holy Hell and Ham' or something. I tend to zone out on the names when they start in. They were getting antsy, but I kept carrying on about helping out the girls who had these children. I was sure that their church had set up some kind of fund. They told me no, and I just smiled angelically. I said I was sure that was going to be the next thing on their list because I knew they loved Jesus and Jesus loved little children.

They kept trying to answer me, and I kept carrying on and talking about Lily Rose. I kept on adding in suggestions for helping the mamas.They finally said they had to go. I put the doll back in the buggy and told the lady that Lily Rose looked just like her. Actually, she did because they were both bundled up and had sort of startled expressions on their faces.

I said bye and went on in the Hardees. I'm sure they will remember me. I hope they remember what I said. I doubt if it will make any difference. It pisses me off though that after the babies are born, nobody wants to spend any time or money helping them. I was playing the fool, but I had a point to make.

My Mama always said I could be a big fool, but at least I was home grown and not bought.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:15 PM
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1. You, my dear
...are a dingbat. This post is so full of awesome you need to pass out mints at the end. :rofl:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:16 PM
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2. Dingbat will do. nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:15 PM
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40. I'll second that and throw in a pint sticking out of the hoodie pocket
which might have completed the picture and had them run away at the end, although I'm sure that wasn't the point.

I've just never been able to pull off "country dumb" although I do a real mean crazy. We city people are at a real disadvantage when it comes to screwing with people's heads.

I love this one.
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:36 AM
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143. So do I
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:03 PM
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87. Naw, Robb has the dingbat market cornered here.
He's a fool, plain and simple. Fools exist mostly for the function of telling the truth to those unwilling to hear it from other sources. It was always the court jester who could safely tell the King what he needed to hear.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:07 AM
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100. Mints???
I need a bottle of screen cleaner.

That was awesome!
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:49 AM
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120. What a goober. These people always think "Babies" are being aborted, not fetuses.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:12 AM
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125. They think a handful of cells are babies being aborted. With their logic war
kills men and women who all could have had babies so it's preemptive abortion. Next step is outlawing birth control pills and devices like we do in foreign countries where we give aid then bitch about women wanting to get abortions. Population explosion means nothing to them. They can't even understand the concept of "limited resources" like water or even space. How many mothers have made their children orphans by carrying fetuses detrimental to the mother's health or because they were not allowed or could not afford an abortion. No late term abortions are by choice but by necessity...so other children may still have their mother back rather than be orphaned...or even so the mother may have a child later on after health problems are dealt with.

No, these are low information, misinformed closed minded bigots who are not even aware of their own hypocrisy...hard to feel any sympathy for those who don't even try to find out the truth of their issues. Rest in peach Dr. Tiller...you saved many a mother's lives and prevented so many children from being orphaned. Now there is no one brave enough to meet this health crisis.

Go to hell Bill O'Reilly who demonized this man to death. You're as guilty of pulling the trigger as much as the man who actually did. You never even knew what health needs were being met or how many mothers were being saved. You just demonized Tiller for ratings and capital gain and got him killed. You're a dog who should be in prison for what you've done.
You're time will come...you must answer for what you've done.
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gardentoad Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:06 PM
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149. It has nothing to do with a baby or a fetus.
If you question a "right-to-lifer" it doesn't take long to see that they are not really protecting any "child" or "baby" or "fetus".
Just ask them what they would allow if the mother had been raped or was the victim of incest. You will find more than half would allow an abortion in those cases. If you ask what they would allow if the mother's life was in danger, more than 90% of them would allow an abortion. If the mother who's life is in danger would happen to be their daughter, or wife or sister then 98% percent of them would allow an abortion.

Only around 2% of them would still stand up for the life of that innocent fetus in all circumstances.

Do the rest of them believe that the innocent fetus had turned evil and was consciously attacking the mother? No.

They never were that concerned with the fetus. They are all about punishing the mother and forcing her to bear a child she doesn't want. It doesn't matter if she resents the child, abuses the child or if the child simply lives it's life in poverty. That mother deserves it!
They simply draw the line on punishment that the mother's sin is not bad enough to kill her for doing it.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:49 AM
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119. this post, this op is wonderful. I love it.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:19 PM
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3. I have often wondered
what the anti-abortion people do with all the lives they save?
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:20 PM
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4. They redeem them for valuable prizes.
In Heaven, of course.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:34 AM
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115. That is the God's own truth, that is.
:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:

Hekate
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:39 PM
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11. Who do you think is in those uniforms going to Afghanistan?
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:34 PM
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19. Force them into spirit-crushing poverty, then send them to Iraq?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:43 PM
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69. Make damned sure they don't get socialized Medicine.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:24 PM
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5. Yer good.
:thumbsup:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:24 PM
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6. Every sperm is sacred!
Children? Not so much.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:30 PM
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8. Yeah, and these wingnuts should be working to make masturbation a felony. nt
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:30 AM
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167. According to the catholics, it already is. nt
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 09:33 AM
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169. Man, we gotta build more jails! :silly: nt
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:25 PM
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63. If a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate.
It's true, I'm Catholic. God told me so. My husband and I are going to hell.
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caitxrawks Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:27 PM
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7. i totally couldn't do that without laughing.
You are my hero.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:35 PM
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9. Ahhh, I love you!
:rofl: Will have to spread this story far and wide.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:08 PM
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10. ...
:applause:
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:40 PM
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12. OMG!
How many "Bless your hearts" did you throw into that conversation? Your are goin' straight to Hell for toying with the afflicted!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(And you owe me a new keyboard!)
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:31 PM
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17. Heh!
Send me the bill for the keyboard. Bless your heart.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:57 PM
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13. Take that time you spent and donate it to Make-A-Wish or your local food shelter. They could use it.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Do I have to salute you?
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 05:31 PM by Are_grits_groceries
You have no idea what I do with my other time. I suggest you get off your horse before you break your neck getting down from that height. Bless your heart.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:36 PM
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66. Why don't you take that up with the people who stalk patients at women's health clinics?
They spend a hell of a lot more "free" time on their hobby than she spent talking to them.

:shrug:
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dencol Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
83. Well, let's hold everybody to the same standards.
How about you take that time you spent posting on DU and donate it to Make-A-Wish or your local food shelter? How ridiculous.
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:05 PM
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14. I didn't know Hardees preformed abortions
I tell ya, when they got away from the roast beef sandwich and started adding all the new menu options, (6 dollar burger, fried chicken, mushroom-Swiss melt), they just went to hell in a hand basket.

That's one reason I prefer Sonic. Well, that and the tater tots. :evilgrin:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:35 PM
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20. Hey, that egg and cheese biscuit could have been a baby chick!
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RedRocco Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #14
168. ewww you liked the "roast beef"
Seriously, that stuff wasn't even meat. It came as a kind of paste in a bag that the worker would then mold into shape. Cooking solidifies it.

bet you arby's uses the same stuff
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:29 PM
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16. Hardees Provides Abortions?

Does that include Drive-Thru?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. Guess where I won't be getting the scrambled eggs breakfast tomorrow
But yeah, I had the same reaction. It's like PETA picketing the Shell station.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:11 AM
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124. HA! Reminds me of a Carlin quote.
"How come when it's with us, it's an 'abortion', and when it's with chickens it's an 'omelet'?"
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #124
155. Just another reason to
contribute to the George Carlin memorial site fund. As far as I know it doesn't exist yet but I keep making the suggestion as it would be a worthwhile cause.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:32 PM
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18. I'm sorry, were they under the impression that abortions were being performed at Hardee's?
I'm confusled.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. They were on a corner and
the Hardees was too. I have no idea what they think goes on at Hardees, but they were on the sidewalk.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:39 PM
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22. Hardee's is the back-East version of out-West's Carl's Jr. And the founder was anti-choice
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 05:40 PM by catzies
IIRC good pro-choicers boycotted Carl's Jr in the 80s-90s.

Oh, and bless your heart. :hug:
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
165. Are they still seperate?
The Carls Jr down here sells Hardees Biscuits. Or something I never actually ordered it.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:57 PM
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170. Carl's/Hardee's still one and the same as far as I know. n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:55 PM
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23. Sheer brilliance!
To quote St. Gonzo: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

:toast:
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:22 PM
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24. Well if you REALLY want to donate to anti-abortion groups who
Do help take care of the child, here are a few:

http://www.heartbeatoflima.org/

http://www.pregnancyresource.org/parenting.htm

http://www.clevelandpregnancyhelp.org/parenting.htm

http://www.godparent.org/

http://www.perrycenter.org/


Lots more on the web; easy to find.

...Just saying in case you REALLY wanted to help.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:27 PM
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26. Yes, I can use the Google.
You also have no idea who I support or help. It isn't through their groups because they probably have religious strings attached.

These people also don't support any programs that will use one cent of their tax money if they can help it. They'd cut those programs to certain people if they could.

So you can REALLY take your list and send it somewhere else. JUST SAYIN...............
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:11 PM
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39. Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were sincere with these folks
in trying to find out how you could help them. I also had the impression that you thought anti-abortion people didnt give two hoots about the mother and child. My bad.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:16 PM
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41. They don't give 2 hoots.
I don't care what dribs and drabs they do here and there. They come nowhere near really helping those who need it. If they hoot, it is beak service.

Then you had those clowns go over to Africa with their abstnence only message. There was a baby boom AND the ever present danger of AIDS and STDs. I seriously doubt if they are sending a lot of money there to take care of people.

And you very well know I wasn't sincere.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. Dribs and Drabs eh?
I guess this list doesnt count..

http://www.911babies.com/LScenters.php

All it takes is a simple google search to avoid making an embarrasing red-herring argument.

I'm sorry, Im just the kind the fellow who likes to base my pov on something with a

little more "meat" in the reason and logic department. Also, I read you stated that these

pro-choicers "mumbled" an answer on more than one occasion. Was it really mumbling or a case

of you making a point of not listening...

Oh, BTW I am pro-choice, but not becasue of your flimsy reasoning.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:55 PM
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52. Well Mr. Reason and Logic,
Please take the 'meat' on your argument and have a barbecue for all I care. I know what I run into here, and what a lot of problems there are.

I have also had a nose full of hypocritical fundies and the like telling me what Gawd wants. I have heard it for years and seen it in action. I have listened to people ad nauseum about the sanctity of life. Then they disappear.

I don't know why you decided to jump in except to spread your superior and condescending message, and you sound just about like them too. So you can defend the lifers all you want. Have at it.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. well that was a GREAT
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 08:07 PM by twitomy
rebuttal :sarcasm: in defense of your pov.

However I must say the smugness and condescesion was more evident in your interaction with and subsequent reporting of the anti-abortion people.

I respectfully disagree with the anti-abortion people. I say respectfully as their arguments are not without merit. In fact you can take religion completely out of the equation and they would still have a defensible argument. It all comes down to agreeing on when should a society recognize and give constitutional protection to a human life. Its
a human rights question that ought not be clouded by religion.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:41 PM
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55. That question's been answered.
And the answer is that society only has a vested interest in a living, breathing, healthy child... not in a foetus.

Their arguments have little or no merit outside of the realm of religion and emotion. When we get into our mutually respected realm of reason and logic, there is virtually no merit to their arguments.

In my personal experience, these people are utterly anti-choice for purely emotional reasons, not rational ones. They tend to be pro-war, anti-equality, and against any government assistance to children.

I've done similar things to what the OP has, I've talked to these people, and they are rarely rational.

We can all agree that abortion is not something anyone but the most twisted actually 'like', but when weighed against social and individual needs, it is certainly necessary. These people haven't the ability to see past their emotions and recognize that.

They don't live in the world of 'reason'.

As much as I can appreciate needling the OP on that one point, the OP is right; there is neither parity, nor remotely any symmetry between what these people want to impose on others and how they would even begin to compensate for the misery they would cause.

None.


If they get their way, a few million bucks aren't going to help enough to make a dent in the suffering they've caused.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. When approx 50%; giveor take; of the country disagrees it hard to proclaim
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 09:36 PM by twitomy
that society agrees it only has a vested interest in a "living, breathing, healthy child"
not to mention that statement alone smacks of eugenics. Oh and by the way, if the fetus is not living or beathing, I guess it wont need to be aborted now will it? So we are talking about healthy and unhealthy fetuses only. I suppose in your worldview society should have just aborted my downs syndrome, and "productive member of society", nephew. Nice. And besides, the level of societys "vested interest" in a persons is not and should never be a deciding factor of the worthiness of a person to his or her basic human rights rights the last time I read the Constitution. To say otherwise is hardly progressive and reminds me of Sparta.


But I digress. Since science has taught us the biological fact that a seperate life is technically created at conception, we will be arguing over when that life deserves protection for a long long time. For now I am satisfied with Roe v Wade, but not so blind enough to not realize its far from "settled law"
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #61
76. My windows are harder to see through than you are.
Nobody is buying the crap you attempt to peddle here.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #61
77. Separate life is not created at conception.
A blastocyst cannot exist on its own. "Life is created at conception" is a religious idea. I respect those who believe in it for religious reasons, but it is far from scientific fact.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #61
82. Dude, did you really mean to say "separate" life?
Because that is what you said. I'm sure you're aware that a fetus is not separate from its mother and is incapable of living without using her body as life support until it is mature.

Aside from that, are women human beings in your religious view? Or are they just incubators? If women are independent human beings, nothing and no one may use their bodies as incubators or be inside those bodies for any reason without their permission. Ever. That includes innocent widdle embryos. Women have the unequivocal right to remove anyone from their bodies. Their bodies belong to them. End of.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Yes. A "seperate life" at conception
And it has nothing to do with religion.

I lifted some blurbs and hashed it together that sums it up better than I could by myself.

"..23 chromosomes of the father joins with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed zygote, which had previously simply not existed."

This new zygote has its own DNA, "..different from that of the ovum and the spermatozoon"

the four criteria of life are thus established:

Growth,
Metabolism,
reaction to stimuli,
reproduction.


Now this is science, not religion if you havent noticed. So yes based on my understanding
of science, a human life has been created. Wether or not it could fend for itself outside
the womb is irrelevant. If that is the case my kids are not yet human LOL!

I cant help it if others are so closed minded in their beliefs (like flat earthers and those who think the world is only 6K years old) to not accept basic science/biology. Not my problem.

Whether or not it deserves protection under the law, and how this protection affects the mother (or host as it has been callously put) is whole different issue. That is a debate that rages on. Some take the "hard line" approach because they believe the biological fact of life means its right to exist as spelled out in their religious views and/or our Consitution. To them its a religious/moral issue, to others a legal/human rights issue.
Others, like me, dont see it quite that way. But it doesnt mean I am going to deny the science. I consider myself too progressive to do that.

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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. That doesn't make it separate.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 11:51 PM by Kitty Herder
It has no growth, metabolism, reaction to stimuli or reproduction without being attached to an independent, separate human being.

It's beside the point anyhow, if you believe women are human.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #84
118. It can't fend for itself out of the womb if it can't get to the womb in the first place, agreed?
Up to 70% of these "separate lives" you claim science recognizes (which it doesn't, clearly), never even make it to the womb. And that's not because of any artificial intervention imposing itself on their supposed "right to life."
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #118
129. Doesnt make it it any less a biological living thing.
a vast majority of ferterlized fish eggs in the wild never make it beyond that stage of life either. Doesnt change what I was first taught in gee, was it middle school? High school for sure. Cant seem to recall any teacher saying "But this zygote is not considered
a new living thing until it no longer needs the host" Just cant remember that! Damn pubic skools!LOL!

BTW In applying your scientific revisionism I wonder when a baby oppossum is considered a seperate being. Look up how oppossums grow. Apply your logic. Rinse, Repeat.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #129
135. Do you remember any teacher saying, this zygote is considered "a new living thing
until it no longer needs the host?"

Are we talking oppossums or people? Do you consider each oppossum life sacred, too?
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #84
122. Products of bacterial conjugation qualifiy as life under that definition and criteria
along with many parasites and even virus having undergone antigenic shift. You anti-choice types never seem to know shit about science. I chalk that up to our declining educational system - which persons like yourself generally have a hand in as well.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #122
128. Anti-Choice?
Me? LOL! Never said that. What I did say is I support Roe v Wade. On numerous occasions on this thread and others. I dont equate "biological human life" with "personhood". Somehow that means I am anti-choice? Wow, are you guys so blinded by ideology that science comprehension AND reading comprehension is out the window?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #128
142. You seem to be allowing religion to blur your ability to comprehend the science.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #128
163. You have shown you have no clue what pro-choice is.
"Oh and by the way, if the fetus is not living or beathing, I guess it wont need to be aborted now will it? So we are talking about healthy and unhealthy fetuses only. I suppose in your worldview society should have just aborted my downs syndrome, and "productive member of society", nephew. Nice."

Neither the forced birth nor forced abortion talk is pro-choice. And you can take your snide insults elsewhere because we aren't buying what you are trying to sell.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #84
145. Wow, using an anti-choice website
I'm not surprised.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #82
133. +1
Perfectly stated!!!

:applause:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #61
110. What a crock of shit you're cooking!
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 12:45 AM by BurtWorm
For a "pro-choicer," you sure can fake the self-righteous gas of the other side. And it's clear you're not doing it to be funny, because you aren't.

"science has taught us the biological fact that a seperate life is technically created at conception..." Science had taught us no such thing. What is the scientific definition of "conception?" I don't think you'll be able to find one. Most dictionaries define it as synonymous with fertlization, but a fertile egg is not necessarily going to be a viable fetus. Do you know what percentage of fertilized eggs do get that far? Something between 30% and 70% of all fertilized eggs *don't.* So is a fertile egg necessarily a separate life? Try to answer that one with a simple yes or no. :eyes:

And your "downs syndrome nephew," being a "productive member of society," must clearly have been "a living, breathing, healthy child," right? Or do you think a child with Down's syndrome is necessarily unhealthy? There's another nice black-and-white question for you to ponder.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 06:48 AM
Response to Reply #110
131. A Downs Syndrome child has health issues...
Right from the start. Ask me how I know.

If they are considered the picture of health from the get go, why are so many aborted?

What I find startling here is people unable to seperate the fact of biological life, something we learned about in grade school, from personhood.


Being "pro-choice" does not require one to disregard all of ones education. Or does it?

Wow....amazing.

:shrug:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #131
140. Health is a relative thing. People in different circumstances make different decisions.
There are a lot of grays where you seem to want to see blacks and whites. You may have been "educated" about biology by religious conservatives, for all I know.

Scientists do not speak of "conception." They speak of fertilization and gastrulation. They don't talk about "a life." They talk about organisms that have life.

If you're actually pro-choice, can you demonstrate a little more grasp of nuance, please?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #131
171. As far as I'm concerned ...
if you haven't adopted an unwanted child, then STFU.

Many of these fetuses are born unwanted children (if the bio-mom cannot terminate her unwanted pregnancy). They wind up being abused and neglected. Moreover, we can't find enough people willing to commit a LIFETIME to being their parents. And, unless you've been personally willing to make the commitment, of a lifetime, to be such a child's parent, your words fall flat. Merely donating a few bucks to help buy the bio mom in question a bag of disposable diapers doesn't cut it.

I say that both as a retired social worker and an adoptive parent.

I understand that you're "pro-choice," but it doesn't seem as if you truly understand the significance of preserving reproductive rights, and the true significance of encouraging a female to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #61
116. reading the rest of his post, i don't think he meant that ...
sometimes, people say one thing but mean something different. we all make that mistake. if you read the rest of his post, i don't believe for a moment that he was promoting eugenics.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #61
162. You are "pro-choice" my shiny ass. You are showing you have no clue what "pro-choice" is
forced birth, forced abortion, neither of these are pro-choice.

"if the fetus is not living or beathing, I guess it wont need to be aborted now will it?"
"a seperate life is technically created at conception,"
wtf? Pro-choice? Hardly.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #55
81. I "like" abortion in the same respect that I like any necessary or valued invasive procedure
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 10:23 PM by Maru Kitteh
that preserves life and/or brings relief to mental or physical suffering.

Edited to add: Obviously if invasive measures can be avoided this is always preferable, however we all know this is not always possible.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #81
93. Agreed.
We want to avoid any unfortunate extremes. Unfortunately, the anti-choice folks also tend to be anti-protection as well.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #55
107. opps
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 01:31 AM by shireen
responded to wrong post. sorry
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #55
157. IF, they were truly rational
their main strategy would be to promote the use of birth control as that would effectively reduce abortion numbers more than any other effort.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #54
92. Well bully for you.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 11:53 PM by JoeyT
"I say respectfully as their arguments are not without merit."
Of course they're without merit. They're sanctimonious assholes. That's pretty much all they have. They *might* have a little merit if they didn't do stuff like openly opposing any form of birth control and the vast majority didn't oppose any form of sex education. You know, the only things that have ever been proven to reduce the number of abortions. They don't give a good long fuck about abortion, it's women they hate. Especially the idea that women might be able to control their own bodies. That really pisses them off.

"It all comes down to agreeing on when should a society recognize and give constitutional protection to a human life. Its
a human rights question that ought not be clouded by religion."
Funny how none of them would ever agree with that. To them it's theocracy or nothing. There isn't a single secular argument that uses consistent logic for the banning of abortion and contraception. Any secular argument doesn't get to arbitrarily pick a dividing line between human and not human. There must be a dividing line and the reasoning for it has to be defensible. Setting the dividing line at sentience still makes abortions legal for a pretty good part of pregnancy. Setting it before sentience makes getting a mole removed murder. (Remember: No arbitrary lines. X clump of cells is more important than Y clump of cells because I say so doesn't cut it.)

It's funny how you aren't quite so concerned with a woman's inalienable right to determine what gets to stay inside her. Far more important to be seen to have respect for the people that want to take that away.

"I respectfully disagree with the anti-abortion people."
Yeah? Well I've escorted women into clinics, so I've seen them in full on holy war mode and you'll get no pats on the back from me for being "tolerant" of people that throw things at and spit on pregnant women that just wanted an ultrasound. Telling a woman that's already suicidally depressed what a murderer she is for having lost her baby and being forced to remove it so she doesn't die doesn't a reasonable argument make.

I swear some people think none of this stuff exists outside of fun little debates on the internet.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #92
117. Bless you for the work that you do, JoeyT
:hug:

Hekate
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #92
139. Thanks for that reply, JoeyT.
That "twitomy" character is about as disingenuous as s/he can be. I've stopped myself several times from replying to that "fundie in liberal clothing" - mostly because my replies would have been rather, um, undiplomatic. I find it strange that it argues fundie talking points about abortion while claiming to support Roe V Wade and being pro-choice. It has also been able to successfully hijack the discussion away from the subject of the original post about caring for women and their children to its own anti-abortion themes and the birth habits of marsupials.

So, thanks for calling this fundie out on those points. I'd have been much less pleasant in my reply and you summed up most of what I'd have said. Beats the Hell outta having my message deleted by the website for abusiveness, huh? :0)

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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JackInGreen Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #54
130. do you
have to be the very definition of Killjoy?
I pray the rest of your life is so well ordered, productive, and HUMORLESS.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #54
134. self-delete
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 08:06 AM by YOY
n/t
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #52
101. Not all anti-abortion people are fundies.
I'm not. And I know many Democrats who are against abortion, and they aren't fundies either. You're painting with too broad a brush.

We need to be able to talk about this issue without bashing each other over the head with our views. It gets us nowhere and it allows those who want to use this issue as a wedge, to win.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #101
123. read it in context ....
Grits is referring to the radicals who want to force their beliefs on everyone. The person he is responding to, who claims to be pro-choice, seems to be parroting arguments used by anti-choice people, which makes me suspicious of his true intentions in this thread.

There's a big difference between anti-abortion and anti-choice. A person can be anti-abortion and pro-choice. The former describes a personal belief. The latter acknowledges that everyone in our society has the right to decide for him- or herself how to feel about abortion, as long as he/she does not forcibly impose that belief on others.

Along those lines, i don't believe that anyone sane could be pro-abortion; it's a serious deeply personal procedure that changes a woman's life; it's never made casually, a lot of soul-searching goes into the decision. Whatever a woman decides, it's her choice and no one has the right to judge her actions. For that reason, abortion has to remain safe and legal for the women who choose to have it.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #39
106. radical anti-abortion protestors are sanctimonious knuckleheads
their sacred mission to save babies ends at birth.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #106
158. I just realized
the galaxy pictures spell out your user name. Cool.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #158
164. thanks ...
they're from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey galaxy images, at galaxyzoo.org
check out their forums and you'll find links to alphabets. If you have problems locating it, send me a PM.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #39
147. They don't give two hoots about pregnant women...
they want to control women; not help them.

grits, you are awesome; keep up the good work.

I have sometimes asked these fools this question but I can't keep up a charade as long as you did. I get too angry and break character. But I think the real reason is that these fetus worshippers just make me sick. They do not care about the women or the children. They do not care about anyone but the preacher who is brainwashing them and following his orders.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
156. How about these groups
simply help encourage birth control instead? That way there will be fewer unwanted pregnancies to begin with.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #24
67. Take it to the streets
or rather, the sidewalks. :eyes:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #24
75. If you really want to keep passing here,
Ya might wanna be quiet for a bit as your posts don't back up your "Democratic" creds.

Just sayin'.

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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. I think DU should perfom a "twit-ectomy."
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. It may take time. We have a "big tent" here. *sigh*
Though maybe this will be the grand expose? I can hope.

:hi:

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #78
111. .
:spray:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #24
90. why would someone donate to anti abortion groups in the first place?
and why do we have to depend on charity to help poor mothers?

why spend our tax $ on illegal wars instead of health care for all?
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #24
151. Yup. And your sites put out the following lies:
Abortion has been linked to causing breast cancer:
A 15 year old American girl has a 10% lifetime risk of breast cancer. If she gets pregnant in her teens and has the baby she reduces her risk to 7.5%. However, if she has an abortion, her risk rises to 15% (assuming she has at least one child in her 20's). If the abortion sterilizes her and/or for other reasons, she never has another pregnancy, her risk rises to 30%. (notes 1)
24.3% experience complications in future pregnancies. Complications include: excessive bleeding, premature delivery, cervical damage, and sterility. (notes 2)
Uterine perforations. Uterine perforations can often occur and sometimes may go unrecognized and untreated. (notes 3)
Placenta previa - a condition producing extremely severe, life threatening bleeding in future pregnancies. Statistics show a 600% increased risk following abortion. (notes 4)
Increased bleeding in subsequent pregnancies (notes 5)
Retention of placenta - increased in subsequent pregnancies. (notes 6)
200% increased risk of miscarriage after two or more abortions (notes 7)
160% increased risk of tubal pregnancy (notes 8)
Increased risk of abnormal positioning of the baby in future pregnancies after one or more abortion. (notes 9)
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:27 PM
Response to Original message
25. Woohoo!
:toast: :bounce: :yourock:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:33 PM
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27. BRAVO!!!!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
28. I LOL'ed.


"I put the doll back in the buggy and told the lady that Lily Rose looked just like her. Actually, she did because they were both bundled up and had sort of startled expressions on their faces."

Nicely done!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
30. if i went to hardee's for a sausage biscuit
i wouldn't tell anyone. :hide:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. You better hide from Meh Kitteh!
She just loves them.:P
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. my sister lived in SC for 22 years.
she loved hardee's.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:56 PM
Original message
My Mama did!
That's why I get a sausage biscuit every now and then. I used to eat them with her, and sometimes I get a hankering.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
34. i don't think i've ever had
anything from hardee's. maybe i did. one time when i was visiting my sis she brought fried chicken home. it might have been from there.

we don't have hardee's here in phoenix. i usually don't eat fast food, but sometimes when i'm on the run, i'll grab a plain whopper from burger king.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:56 PM
Response to Original message
33. I absolutely love this post
It is both deep and hilarious at the same time. I'd have loved pics of this one. Bravo sis :yourock: :rofl:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I'll make sure to get a few if
I take the stage again. I'll get an accomplice. This is what you call real street theater and 'Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off Broadway.'
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. It is freaking hilarious
I can just imagine you and Miss Lily Rose :rofl:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Straight out of the suburbs
of Mayberry. I never did like playing with dolls, but this was fun.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
73. This is real street theater.
And it's brilliantly written. :hug:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #37
126. ooh ... how 'bout a hidden video camera in the bushes
to record it? :D
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
35. I'm very proud of you, Grits! (I hope I may call you Grits.) Bravo.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Grits it is. No problem. nt
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:10 PM
Response to Original message
38. I worked across the street from Dr Orr's clinic for 3 years

K&R!

Many of these people are dumb as a stump and can't talk about the issues. They do tend to make up stuff. One yelled to a young lady I was escorting in the door that I was paid. I got her in the door and let everybody in hearing distance know "I am a volunteer". Quit making things ups up. Yes I was pissed.

OS

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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:18 AM
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127. thanks, Omaha
you were there for them at a critical time, and i'm sure they deeply appreciated your support.
:hug:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:31 PM
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43. Good work!
:yourock:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:31 PM
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44. K&R for literary value
:kick:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:35 PM
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46. You go, Grits!
I had a great aunt by the name of Lily Fern. She had a child out of wedlock in the 40's... not sure what that has to do with anything, 'cept she was very country... and you brought out the weird in me:)

Your OP reminds me of the late Tangerine LaBamba.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:35 PM
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47. You are too much!
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 07:36 PM by mascarax
The "deep and hilarious" comment above is all-too-true.

Another great one...oh, please, can you call Lindsey Graham's office again? I still love that story (the "I'm worried about the Senator...he should fess up if he' got something to hide" like his buddy Mark Sanford.

Not too many Hardee's left around here. I liked 'em though.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:38 PM
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48. I'll have to think of something to call
Miss Lindsey about. I have to give her credit. She isn't backing down from the teapissers. Got more guts than most Rethugs.
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:41 PM
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49. normally i would say 'don't talk to those people'
but you definitely should. well done.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:44 PM
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51. LOL
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:05 PM
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53. i wish someone had been there
with a video camera! good on you. maybe they'll get to thinking. i doubt it, but one never knows. you plant the seeds and can't always know what comes of them.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:45 PM
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56. That was priceless! K&R!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:53 PM
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57. ROFL! *hugs*
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:54 PM
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58. Nobody can mock rednecks like a fellow redneck
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 08:56 PM by carolinayellowdog
You, ma'am, are up there with Eudora Welty, T.R. Pearson, Flannery O'Connor, Harry Crews... "playing the fool, but I had a point to make."
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:03 PM
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74. I thought of Welty and O'Connor when I read it too. n/t
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:58 PM
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95. OMG!
Post 58 & 74 That made my year already. To even be mentioned in the same breath with those writers is an honor.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:55 PM
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59. k&r
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JohnnyHardhat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:15 PM
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60. K&R
Made my night! Thank you and keep it up!
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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:25 PM
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62. Whenever approached by them
I say, with not a sign of emotion in my face, "thank you, but no thank you. I am pro abortion simply because I can't stand the company of children."

Sometimes they leave skid marks.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:32 PM
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64. You're awesome
I'd like to share your story with my family, if you don't mind. :)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:33 PM
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65. My dear, you are the tops!
That is fabulous. And I heard Jesus shout "Right ON!"
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:42 AM
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109. Please do. nt
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:41 PM
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68. This is classic!
Thank you, Grits! :hug:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:50 PM
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70. If I were one or the other of them, I would reflect on the conversation and decide that God spoke to
them in the form of a friendly baggy person and I would then vow to get the church working on a charity program for young needy mothers and I would work every minute I could on the project, because God spoke. That's exactly the kind of talk that makes you know you've been talked to. A mother that births should have all the help they can muster. Right? It makes so much sense when you consider where they are coming from. There may not be that much time to bundle up on the sidewalk in front of Hardee's to rally against abortionists since helping a birther is so much more rewarding than ranting.

If you detect a little bit of sarcasem, you are right, but there is nothing wrong with mixing a little bit of sarcasem with an interpreation of a converstion with God and figuring out what needs need to be done.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:57 PM
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71. Oh God, HARDEE'S SAUSAGE BISCUITS!!
((swoon)) Has there ever been a sweeter, more delicious creation on this earth?? The doughy-ness of the biscuit. The greasy, spicy sausage. And washed all down with a sweet tea... Oh my God, you just took me back. I haven't had a Hardee's sausage biscuit in ten years.

Between your reminder of the sausage biscuit and your reference to their church as "'The Church of Holy Hell and Ham' or something" I am absolutely compelled to rec this thread. Well done!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:01 PM
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72. Brilliant!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:09 PM
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80. Since I'm replying in a sub-thread, maybe I should note here I
Kicked and recommended.

Very nice story of a great "cat and mouse" game. Bless yer heart. :D

:hi:

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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:59 PM
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85. Well done!
Cleaver people playing the part of the fool is always the best way to expose foolish bullshit. My question is did you have a hard time not biting your tongue when it was so firmly implanted in your cheek?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:00 PM
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86. Deleted sub-thread
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:12 PM
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88. Thank you for the guffaws!! Sometimes you just have to fight stoopid with stoopid to
git yer point across.

K & R

Also, I agree with some of twitomy's comments, but I still love what you did and the way you told the story.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:21 PM
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89. no thought to health care for the mommas or the babies before or after they are born either
funny the t-baggers want the babies born, but don't want "free-loaders" getting
prenatal care or health care ever.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:58 PM
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94. Excellent, Grits. I would have been tenative about picking up the
doll. You are brave.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:01 AM
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96. Brilliant!
:applause:
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:02 AM
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97. You are amazing...
Though I don't know how you could do all that and keep a straight face the whole time! Not that there is anything funny about abortion, but If I'd been there watching you expose their hypocrisy I'd have had to bite my hand or something. Kudos!!!
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:03 AM
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98. Sometimes I think
the South is only capable of turning out zealots or cynics. (I use cynic as a compliment.)
I love the mental images that go with this story.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:07 AM
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99. Heh heh
Loved it.

There's that cynical old cat again. I know just how that cat of yours feels.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:17 AM
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102. It seems crazy, but it's a great way to bring awareness to these
fools with their narrow mindedness. They had to think of what you were saying and pay attention to you, because you were giving a life to a baby doll and challenging their quirky reasoning.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:18 AM
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103. LOL! that would have been awesome DU candid camera!
You're the best ... I love your whacky sense of humor. Thanks for making me laugh.
:hug:

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:22 AM
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104. Hardee har har!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:29 AM
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105. Smartest thing you can do is play dumb. Well played, sir.
I tip my hat.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:38 AM
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108. I have tried to talk to people like them before.
It gets me nowhere. They dig in, and I get pissed. I used another approach. I went sideways at them, and I said more than I ever have. I wasn't even arguing about abortion at that point. I was talking about the consequences when children are born and their needs. It also isn't just dealing with children related to abortion. It's all kids. Many need help, and there is nobody stepping up.

I could have laid waste to them with snark and sarcasm. They wouldn't have heard a word. I could pull it off because in a real sense I am them. I grew up in the same area with a lot of the same attitudes around. My parents weren't that bad, but a lot of my relatives were. Somehow I developed a whole different world view than almost anybody I am related to.

I didn't dress that way either because I planned on performing. I have 'neck genes to be sure, and I am comfortable with that. It was part performance, and part me. That's why I could pull it off without laughing. Playing the fool is an honored pasttime, and I can manage. I could have done the very same thing with a relative sitting on a porch.

I don't feel like I'm better than they are. Just because I went to college doesn't mean I get more points in life. That is what can be so maddening to me. The Armeys and Becks of the world scare them half to death. Instead of being drawn out into the world to try to meet people halfway, they huddle up together because they are sure their world is going to completely die.

I despise those demagogues who do fill the airwaves with such divisive and scary messages. They tend to draw upon the worst in people and bring that out. I have seen that happen to a lot of my relatives. People who I grew up with and enjoyed being around have become mean, cranky people who spend their time talking about the libruls and the plots to make their lives miserable. I feel like I have lost my entire family sometimes because being around them isn't fun anymore.

This post probably doesn't make much sense either. I try not to become completely crazy by laughing at the world and myself a lot. I can not only play the fool, I can really be one.
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Skelly Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:27 AM
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114. You have done a kind thing
Really. No matter what their responses, at some point, probably not today or tomorrow, but at some point, what you said will come back to them and make a difference. Perhaps not in the way you want, but in a way that does matter to someone...most likely a child in need.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:07 AM
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141. I think your approach was just right.
Not threatening. Memorable. And drove your point directly home without having to beat them over their heads with it. Perfect.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:19 AM
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112. Beautiful!
You should send this story to your local paper... :thumbsup:
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:23 AM
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113. ROFL!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:01 AM
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121. How much for the video of this? I'll pay anything. Thanks for making my night!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:01 AM
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132. Very Clever
And well related to the rest of us. Cool for you.
GAC
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:51 AM
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136. K&R
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:51 AM
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137. "The Church of Holy Hell and Ham'". I've been to that church!
The hell was awesome, and the ham was heavenly. The gospel -- not so much.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:48 AM
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138. Brilliant!
That was beautiful.

Wow, are there really still Hardees back east?
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:03 AM
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144. K&R! Great Story!
But hell, I will rec any OP that begins "I was going to the Hardees to get me a sausage biscuit."
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:40 AM
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146. Allways best to stop them dead by asking if they help the children once they are born....
and then the hamster blink starts.


You done good, real good.........
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:54 AM
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148. Brilliant! n/t
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:15 PM
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150. Sweet!!
Nicely played. :)
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:29 PM
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152. you are amazing! thank you for being you!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:38 PM
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153. K and R a million times....
I love your kind of mischief...that's what I love to do, too. It is so much fun.

You've made my day! Thanks.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:05 PM
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154. YOU ARE MY HERO n/t
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riverbendviewgal Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:01 PM
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159. So colorful and descriptive
You presented the questions I always had for pro lifers... What help do the mothers get who keep their children?
I hope they went home thinking about that.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:50 PM
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160. TOO COOL!!!!!!!!!
K&R!!
:kick: :spray: :rofl:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:15 PM
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161. 'The Church of Holy Hell and Ham', too funny
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lupinella Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:10 AM
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166. YOU!!
I adore you.:toast:
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