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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:35 PM
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Are You Gonna Have Some Fries With Your Fecal Bacteria?
Fecal Bacteria Found In Nearly Half Of Fast Food Soda Fountains

Huffington Post | Gazelle Emami | Updated: 01- 6-10 05:49 PM



Didn't think the fast food industry could get any grosser? Well it can.

This time, it's not the food, but the soda fountains to be worried about. According to Tom Laskawy, a media and technology professional and blogger for grist.org, a team of microbiologists from Hollins University found that between 48% of sodas tested from the fast food fountains contain coliform bacteria, which is typically fecal in origin. And most bacteria found were antibiotic resistant, as icing in the cake.

The microbiologists published their findings in the International Journal of Food Microbiology. They tested 90 beverages from 30 soda fountains. Their abstract states:

    ...Coliform bacteria was detected in 48% of the beverages and 20% had a heterotrophic plate count greater than 500 cfu/ml. <...> More than 11% of the beverages analyzed contained Escherichia coli and over 17% contained Chryseobacterium meningosepticum. Other opportunistic pathogenic microorganisms isolated from the beverages included species of Klebsiella, Staphylococcus, Stenotrophomonas, Candida, and Serratia. Most of the identified bacteria showed resistance to one or more of the 11 antibiotics tested.

Laskawy notes that only one recorded outbreak linked to a soda fountain has occurred, and that was ten years ago. But on a smaller scale, these bacteria could cause sickness on an individual level that can go unreported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/06/fecal-bacteria-found-in-n_n_413733.html">LINK

- Well if you were before, I'll bet you're not thirsty now, are you? But I'm sure that the fast-food industry is really, really pissed at these people for issuing this report. And they'd be really worried if people actually knew how to obtain an alternative food source or to cook for themselves.

But since that's not a worry either, they'll just bide their time until they get the chance to put some hairs in their soup the next time these "scientist" eat in a restaurant.....

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What do you mean did I wash my hands!?!?! No soup for you!!!



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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:36 PM
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1. The fries are probably the only thing safe to eat...
Bacteria-wise anyway... if the same goes for beer, please keep it to yourself:)
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:05 PM
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4. Unlikely on the beer. Those lines are flushed regularly with caustic.
With a couple of buckets of beer going down the drain each time, since there is generally no horse nearby to pour it back into. :D

I'd be interested to know if it's diet or regular. The high concentrations of sugar in regular should inhibit bacterial growth, no so sure about the artificial sweeteners.

I'd suspect the majority of the contamination comes from less than clean cloths used to wash the nozzles on the dispenser which should be stood for some time (at least an hour) in a decent sanitising solution.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:32 PM
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13. I wondered about the bicarb...
I thought it was a salt and killed bacteria too...

But I do have a pet peeve about those dirty towels used for hours on end... especially in sandwich shops. I'd rather see my bread laid down on the crumbs of the previous one than to see that dingy towel swiped over the assembly area... ew.

I would hope most bars care for their beer that way... I've tasted some pretty crummy and stale stuff and wondered.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:38 PM
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6. I know that taps need to be cleaned regularly.
A bar that doesn't clean their taps very often has sicker bar patrons the next day.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:37 PM
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2. Is this about the Posts calling President Obama a Liar???
Oh, on second read I see this is about coliform bacteria.

KTHXBAI!

:P
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:55 PM
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3. This sounds like a job for.... the Marvin Zindler Art Car!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:57 AM
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17. Oh Marvin, we miss ya so much!! ICE IN THE SLIME MACHINE!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:32 PM
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5. It's not clear to me where this fecal matter is coming from. nt
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:40 PM
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8. I suspect people's rectums. Sherlock Holmes can't hold a candle next to me.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 10:43 PM by Kaleva
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:39 PM
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7. Need sign "Don't wash ass with soda dispenser!".
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:42 PM
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10. Floaters less visible in colas. nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:41 PM
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9. Good thing I dont drink soda then!
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:50 PM
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11. Not likely to be a threat, but an indicator of poor sanitation
I spent four years early in my career doing foodborne illness investigations. Never did we trace a foodborne illness outbreak to a soda fountain. We did once trace an outbreak of Hepatitis A back to a frozen drink machine at a convenience store. An employee with a case of HepA had cleaned and refilled the machine. Immediately prior he had used the restroom. He was not in the habit of washing his hands after using the restroom. The HepA infection, which I think I remember affecting/infecting almost twenty people, followed the typical fecal-oral route of transmission associated with gastrointestinal infections such as HepA, Salmonella, Shigella, Giardia, Norwalk virus, and others. A second source of foodborne illness is simple Staphylococcus aureus, found on the skin, in the nose, and in sores. When spread to food, the Staph can grow on the food and create a toxin that causes "intoxication," or it can can an infection, or both.

From the Minnesota Department of Health:

Coliform Bacteria
Background/Overview
Biological organisms are among the oldest health threats to drinking water quality and the agents currently responsible for most waterborne diseases. They are the most common contamination incident water operators will encounter. Organisms known to cause disease include bacteria, protozoa, and viruses; some algae and helminths (worms) may also be capable of producing disease. These disease-causing organisms thrive in the intestines of warm-blooded animals. They are easily transmitted to drinking water if the feces of an animal contaminates a water supply for which there is not suitable disinfection. Potential sources of contamination include sewers, septic systems, feedlots, and animal yards.

Role of coliforms in detecting contamination
Unfortunately, specific disease-producing (pathogenic) organisms present in water are not easily identified. It would be very difficult, expensive, and time consuming to monitor for them. For this reason, it is necessary to select an easily measured “indicator organism,” whose presence indicates that pathogenic organisms may be present. A group of closely related bacteria, the total coliform, has been selected as an indicator of harmful organisms in drinking water.

Sources of coliform bacteria
Total coliform (TC) bacteria are common in the environment (such as in soil) and the intestines of animals and are generally not harmful. Fecal coliform (FC) and Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria are found in greater quantities than total coliform in animal fecal matter. If FC or E. coli is detected along with TC in drinking water, there is strong evidence that sewage is present; therefore, a greater potential for pathogenic organisms exists.

Response to coliform detection
The MDH monitors drinking water for public water supplies (PWSs) on a routine basis. If FC, or E. coli is detected in the distribution system of a PWS, the system must be disinfected. In most cases this includes emergency chlorination, which can last for two to five days. At the same time a system is being disinfected, customers of the PWS are ordered to vigorously boil their drinking and cooking water (Boil Order) for one minute before using it. Once the system has been disinfected and flushed, the MDH tests the water again for coliform bacteria. If none are detected, the Boil Order is lifted.

If only TC is detected (without the presence of fecal coliform or E. coli), the source is most likely from contamination from the environment, introduced during construction or while repairs to plumbing or a water main were underway. The system will identify the source of the contamination, correct the problem, and thoroughly disinfect its system. The public will also be notified of the situation; however, unless unusual circumstances exist to cause particular concern about the safety of the water, a Boil Order will not be issued.

Exceptions
Total coliforms are not a perfect indicator of the actual or potential presence of harmful organisms. Some disease-producing organisms, especially protozoa such as Giardia and Cryptosporidium, are able to withstand treatment which kill the total coliform. These two protozoa are often found in surface waters (the principle carriers of these organisms) contaminated by human sewage or wildlife. However, for the majority of PWSs this is not a significant threat since most PWSs obtain their water from wells rather than surface-water sources such as rivers and lakes. For those PWSs that use surface water, a combination of coagulation, filtration, and disinfection has been successful and is recommended to reduce the risk of Giardia or Cryptosporidium contamination.

Health effects
Symptoms of waterborne diseases may include gastrointestinal illnesses such as severe diarrhea, nausea, and possibly jaundice as well as associated headaches and fatigue. It is important to note, however, that these symptoms are not associated only with disease-causing organisms in drinking water. They may also be caused by a number of other factors. In addition, not all people will be affected to the same degree; young children and the elderly are usually more susceptible.

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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:12 PM
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12. Isn't the CO2 supposed to disinfect the soda?
At least in a bottle or can with CO2 at a pressure of about 2.5 atmospheres, the PH is around 3.7, which is a medium acid. This tends to control bacterial growth and is the main hygiene advantage of drinking sodas relative to water.

Of course, in soda fountains, the CO2 is injected only briefly and the PH is more like 5.7, which is pretty ineffective as a disinfectant.

So soda should be bought in cans or bottles, never from soda fountains, unless you know they are well maintained.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 03:43 AM
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14. Here's the study's abstract....
Beverages obtained from soda fountain machines in the U.S. contain microorganisms, including coliform bacteria

Amy S. Whitec, Renee D. Godardb, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, Carolyn Bellinga, Victoria Kaszaa and Rebecca L. Beacha

a Department of Biology, Hollins University, Roanoke VA, 24020, USA

b Department of Environmental Studies, Hollins University, Roanoke VA, 24020, USA

c Department of Biology, Virginia Western Community College, Roanoke, VA, 24015, USA

Received 21 July 2009;
revised 27 October 2009;
accepted 31 October 2009.
Available online 6 November 2009.


Abstract

Ninety beverages of three types (sugar sodas, diet sodas and water) were obtained from 20 self-service and 10 personnel-dispensed soda fountains, analyzed for microbial contamination, and evaluated with respect to U.S. drinking water regulations. A follow-up study compared the concentration and composition of microbial populations in 27 beverages collected from 9 soda fountain machines in the morning as well as in the afternoon. Ice dispensed from these machines was also examined for microbial contamination. While none of the ice samples exceeded U.S. drinking water standards, coliform bacteria was detected in 48% of the beverages and 20% had a heterotrophic plate count greater than 500 cfu/ml. Statistical analyses revealed no difference in levels of microbial contamination between beverage types or between those dispensed from self-service and personnel-dispensed soda fountains. More than 11% of the beverages analyzed contained Escherichia coli and over 17% contained Chryseobacterium meningosepticum. Other opportunistic pathogenic microorganisms isolated from the beverages included species of Klebsiella, Staphylococcus, Stenotrophomonas, Candida, and Serratia. Most of the identified bacteria showed resistance to one or more of the 11 antibiotics tested. These findings suggest that soda fountain machines may harbor persistent communities of potentially pathogenic microorganisms which may contribute to episodic gastric distress in the general population and could pose a more significant health risk to immunocompromised individuals. These findings have important public health implications and signal the need for regulations enforcing hygienic practices associated with these beverage dispensers.

Keywords: Soda fountain beverages; Escherichia coli; Pathogenic bacteria; Public health risks

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T7K-4XMKB25-3&_user=10&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F2010&_rdoc=9&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_srch=doc-info%28%23toc%235061%232010%23998629998%231577606%23FLA%23display%23Volume%29&_cdi=5061&_sort=d&_docanchor=&_ct=18&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1007cbb46b2a1bb3e5e56725fbad4fa2">Link
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:51 AM
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15. I kinda want a Whopper now.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:34 AM
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16. why worry about a few coliform in the soda while you chow down on a poop burger?
Every single ounce of fast food ground beef has poop in it.

So does that plastic wrapped 90% lean, enema-mixed-with-lips-and-assholes poison you buy at the market.
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