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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:01 AM
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Dorgan: When you screw over your friends they go home
by wilbur:

The announcement of Byron Dorgan’s retirement brought back one of the most searing memories from my childhood – and a lesson that I learn over and over again – when you screw over your friends because you think they have nowhere to go, they go home. I grew up in a suburb of New York. There was this rivalry between our neighborhood and one a block down. We always seemed to be at war with each other. The first snow often brought a massive snowball fight, and for the last couple of years our neighborhood had suffered humiliating retreats. I was younger and a soldier in these snowball fights. But this year I was growing taller and stronger and more athletic and more sure of myself and I was rising through the ranks. By my side was my best friend Michael. Even has a pre-teen he was a solid guy, very quiet, but also determined and exceptionally loyal. He was always there with me and took my side in every dispute. We hung out together quite a bit. It was good having him around, knowing Michael would always have my back.

The first big snow came that year. I went over to Michael’s house early in the morning and we plotted our strategy. Snow ball fight aren’t as easy as they seem – I mean you have the people that are with you, that you play ball with, that you watch television with, but that’s never enough. Often times the difference are the kids who really aren’t connected to any group, who go with whichever group has the best athletes at the moment or whosever houses have the best snacks. It is a fact of snowball fights – you need allies. And you need a great fort. I guess it is more of a symbol than anything else – a place where you will make your stand. Michael was really interested in the fort, he really wanted to design it, said he had been thinking about the fort the whole year. He said what he wanted to do was pour water over it so it had an ice coating and couldn’t be knocked down so easily. I was only eleven but I thought it was a great idea. And when we went to meet our friends they all thought it was a pretty good idea as well.
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We started building the fort. Ricky, one of these floater kids I was talking about, started nosing around with a friend of his. I don’t know why now but I was convinced that Ricky was be a really good get for a snowball fight. I asked him if he would like to join us. He held back a little, but he started to help building the fort, and melding in with us. Just as we finished Michael came out of his house with this big pot of water.
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Ricky wasn’t really making any sense, but I wanted to keep him around. I didn’t trust crossing him and I knew Michael had my back. I went up to Michael and said, "Maybe we shouldn’t do the water thing."

Michael looked shocked and hurt, "But you said it was a great idea."

"Listen," I said. "If we do the water thing I think Ricky is going to walk away."

"Come on," Michael said. "I really want to do this. I really think it will work." He started ahead to pour the water.

"No," I said in a stern voice. "No water. We’re not doing the water thing." Everybody else was silent. Michael could have confronted me. A lot of the guys agreed with this idea I knew. But like I said, he had my back. He took the pot of water slump shouldered back to his house.
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And it is a lesson I have learned over and over again throughout my life. If you screw over your friends because you think they have no place to go, they go home. The good ones, the ones who can be really meaningful in your life, won’t complain and won’t betray you the way you betrayed them. They will just go home. The price that you pay is that you must go on without them. It is stunning reading about Byron Dorgan tonight. Only one person mentioned the drug re-importation bill that Dorgan championed. Was nobody else seeing what I was seeing at the time – the disappointment and shock in Dorgan’s face when he was being undermined. It reminded me so much of Michael years ago. This was so important to him. It was his legacy. He had been such a good soldier, such a stand up guy on everything else. He was not a drama queen, he did not try and undermine Obama, he did not try and make himself the center of attention like so many other senators. You could go weeks without hearing Dorgan’s name. But this was his idea, what he had promised his constituents, something everybody knew was the right thing to do. And then Obama comes in and like Terry’s brother in "On the Waterfront" tells Dorgan that it’s "not his night." Rahm and Jim had made a backroom deal with the drug companies and they were going to keep that deal. Dorgan was a good guy, Dorgan had Obama’s back. Dorgan would learn to live with it. Go back and look at the pictures, you can see the hurt in his eyes. What more could he have done as a soldier. But it wasn’t his night. Obama had to keep the Washington Rickys happy. The same Rickys that won’t think twice about turning on him when he is no longer useful to them.
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So Dorgan said he’s going home. He didn’t say it was because of the drug re-importation bill. That’s because he is a good guy, a stand up guy, one that doesn’t stab you in the back even when you have taken everything from him. He is the type of guy who will stand with you when the world turns against you. He is the type of guy that you really miss.

Why do we have to learn this lesson over and over again? When you screw over your friends they go home – and you are alone. You are worse than alone, you are among the Rahms, and the Joes, and the Rickys of the world.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/5/212631/6856

This is exactly how people feel. It's not just Dorgan. When somebody continually has your back, don't take them for granted. They may not ask for a lot. They may be content to be with you fighting the good fight. However, every now and then something may come up that means a great deal to them. You need to think carefully about all the ramifications of what you decide.

The very worst thing you can do is tell that person one thing, and then later tell him the plan has changed without so much as a by your leave. If he leaves, he isn't going home to pout or bitch and moan constantly. He'll be going home because if he can't trust you to have HIS back, then the entire game has changed. He won't know who to trust. The loss of confidence in believing that he mattered will finally break the spirit he had. He's not a fragile flower, but even the strongest among us can be broken by betrayal.
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ben_thayer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:15 AM
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1. AMEN Bro... Tragically
it would appear that many of us are being sent home slump-shouldered and shocked.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:26 AM
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41. Reminder of the hit: "Doughnuts For Dorgan: Drug Reimportation Killed In Deal
Complete story of the betrayal at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/doughnuts-for-dorgan-drug_n_393527.html

Doughnuts For Dorgan: Drug Reimportation Killed In Deal That Might Get Cheaper Drugs For Seniors

President Obama and the Senate leadership can't whip up the votes necessary to pass a public option or even a Medicare buy-in compromise, but they didn't have any trouble persuading 30 Democrats to vote against prescription drug reimportation Tuesday night -- thus preserving the deal cut between the Senate Finance Committee, the White House and Big Pharma.

The amendment's sponsor, Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), was asked after the vote if Democratic leadership opposed his amendment in order to preserve the deal.

"Well, and they apparently did," said Dorgan. "The last seven days, we've seen a lot of votes stripped away. What did we get, 51 votes tonight for my amendment? I believe seven days ago we had sufficient votes to pass it, but I think what is happening in the intervening period is other things developed. It's a great disappointment because it seems to me very hard to do health care reform without doing something about the escalating prices for prescription drugs."

The amendment had been scheduled to come up for a vote last week, but was held up amid much speculation that Dorgan had the votes. The vote Tuesday was 51-48, or nine shy of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. A total of 30 Democrats and independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted against it.

One of those things that developed in the intervening period: a deal to kill the Dorgan amendment in exchange for closing the so-called doughnut hole -- the period of time when Medicare recipients must pay the full cost of drugs.

-edit-

When the roll was called and Dodd's name was announced in the nay column, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), betrayed his surprise loudly enough to be heard in the press gallery. "Dodd?!" said Sanders, in a rising stage-whisper that indicated disbelief.

-edit-

The defenders of the PhRMA deal were forced to round up so many Democratic votes because the GOP decided to make mischief on the Senate floor. Twenty-three Republicans -- more than half their total -- broke with their traditional opposition to reimportation and voted with Dorgan, many of them smiling as they watched nervous Democratic leaders huddled around the table in front of the Senate president's desk. When it was clear it would fail, two of them -= Sens. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) and John Ensign (R-Nev.) =- switched their votes back to no. Ensign was rewarded for his flip-flop by a sharp Senate-floor tongue-lashing from Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a longtime and serious supporter of reimportation.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), acknowledged to reporters that his yes vote had something to do with causing trouble for the overall bill. "It did occur to me that this could be for the greater good," he said.

Here's the full roll call:

YEAS -- 51

Alexander (R-TN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYS -- 48

Akaka (D-HI)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

NOT VOTING -- 1
Byrd (D-WV)


With reporting by Jeff Muskus
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:16 AM
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2. The invalidating environment.
It's so important in the way that individuals percieve and react.
It leaves some dysthemic, it leaves some avoidant; others it turns into a democrats: people who hate their politicians but who still long to love them.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:22 AM
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3. K & R nt
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:33 AM
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4. K&R. Dorgan is a real loss for all of us, he's one of the good guys. nt
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:31 AM
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5. K&R....For Truth......When you screw over your friends they go home
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:01 AM
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6. This is so well stated
It's the first thing I thought as well. He got ultimately screwed and decided that was a wrap. He's 67 years old and just thought instead of getting screwed he'd rather go teach at one of the colleges up here and make some lobbyist money down the line. I don't blame him.

I'm sad that he's leaving, but putting myself in his shoes I can see why he is doing it.
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:05 AM
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7. big disappointment
I was almost as disappointed to hear of Dorgan's pending retirement as I was the day I watched the Senate defeat his re-importation amendment. I love this guy and I was shocked to see his fellow Dems turn on him. I buy my drugs from Canada anyway and I don't see why everybody doesn't. You can get a 90 day supply but you can send a year long prescription. Still, no one gains by knocking down Dorgan's amendment but the drug companies. Over and over again it was proven on the Senate floor that Canadian drugs are not dangerous but the opponents continued to harp on that note. I don't watch the Senate on c-span with such fervor as I once did. And I have been increasingly disheartened by Obama's attempts to bring everyone together. He's a smart guy; why doesn't he understand that there are very basic differences between the world views of Repugs and Dems? Add to that the Repugs natural nastiness at being out of power and never will they support anything Obama wants. In this case, though, he seemed to want to protect some assinine agreement he made with the drug companies more than he wanted to help the people. Obama's greatest skill--his oratory ability--doesn't necessarily translate into leadership ability. I'm reaching the point where I don't care whether he's a one-termer or not.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:12 AM
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8. So appropriate. Dreat analogy. Dorgan is an enormous loss for all of the US.
Damn.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:21 AM
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9. I don't blame him.
If I had to listen to Inhofe, Ensign, DeMint and the rest of that circus, I'd want to leave too.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:27 AM
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11. I never really thought of it that way, but yeah,l it must be awful to hear that
tripe day after day.

there are a precious few that are in it for all the right reasons and he's always seemed to be one of them.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:33 PM
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17. And I'm sure it hurt even more to hear bs from his own party. nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:51 PM
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19. I'm reminded in the early primary debates, when Gravel was still there,
he said -- When you get to DC you look around & wonder, "How did I get here?" In six months you look around & wonder, "How did everyone else get here?"

I wouldn't put Gravel in Dorgan's class, but his comment was funny & seems appropriate.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:22 AM
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10. knr.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:34 AM
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12. Did you write the last part?
Because that is the absolute best:

"The very worst thing you can do is tell that person one thing, and then later tell him the plan has changed without so much as a by your leave. If he leaves, he isn't going home to pout or bitch and moan constantly. He'll be going home because if he can't trust you to have HIS back, then the entire game has changed. He won't know who to trust. The loss of confidence in believing that he mattered will finally break the spirit he had. He's not a fragile flower, but even the strongest among us can be broken by betrayal."

There's an awful lot of broken spirit in this world.

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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:45 AM
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13. That part was mine.
Thanks for the compliment.:-)
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:53 AM
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14. "...but even the strongest among us can be broken by betrayal."
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 11:54 AM by DisgustedInMN
And broken we are.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:56 AM
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15. Dorgan said last night he would reintroduce his drug reimportation bill...
Let's all back him on that and help deliver a MESSAGE to the White House that betrayed him (as it betrayed us all) with that back-room deal.

We will miss you, Senator Dorgan.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:01 PM
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16. So people are GUESSING at his motives
"So Dorgan said he’s going home. He didn’t say it was because of the drug re-importation bill. That’s because he is a good guy, a stand up guy, one that doesn’t stab you in the back even when you have taken everything from him. He is the type of guy who will stand with you when the world turns against you. He is the type of guy that you really miss."

Spreading false information - is that not what right-wingers do?

Dorgan, HIMSELF, said last night he hopes to have that bill passed BEFORE he leaves.

Unreccing.

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:28 PM
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18. Big loss for the Democratic party. It's a shame. kr, nt
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:54 PM
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20. Very good post
I hurt for Dorgan
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:37 PM
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21. Dorgan was always one of the best.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:43 PM
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22. Exactly what I told my wife last night, after his Ed interview.
It was in his face. He had staked his word and reputation on that bill. And they stabbed him in the back. I even posted a comment about it in the SMW thread this morning.

That seat is gone. Dorgan said he wasn't afraid of a challenge, even though McCain took his state by about 54%. He said he had run for and been elected statewide (memory check) something like 13 times, and he was in no danger.

Dropping out this late in a Senate race, by an incumbent is pretty near unprecedented. Dodds case is different. He probably would have lost, and they had a better replacement lined up already.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:32 PM
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33. Dodd's case is almost the reverse of Dorgan's
He screwed his friends (aka supporters/voters) one time too many times and THEY went home.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:00 AM
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35. Oh, did you nail that or what?!
Spot on, my friend!

Kennedy's gone and now Dorgan. :cry:
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:55 PM
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23. re: "Dorgan: When you screw over your friends they go home"

He has made the correct move, sad to say...

He should do the even more noble thing: starting TODAY, begin calling for this FAUX REFORM (i.e., "FOR-PROFIT GIFT") to be scrapped... and DEMAND a "single payer" system.

k&r
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:06 PM
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24. k&R
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:09 PM
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25. Yup, that's what I think, too. The betrayal over the drug re-importing was the final straw.
Let Obama walk alone in 2011.

His shadow can keep him company.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:11 PM
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26. knr - I said earlier that he probably believes we are going in the ...
wrong direction.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:22 PM
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27. You can listen to or read his 3/30 speech here ...
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8983097

small snip>>>

"...I mentioned that these big investment banks took on all these assets and then got bailed out, and we now think there is $9 trillion of American taxpayers' money at risk going out through the back door of the Federal Reserve Board, Treasury, and the FDIC--$9 trillion. There has never been a hearing about that. No one has been able to get the Federal Reserve Board before a hearing to tell us where those trillions of dollars are pledged, who got the money, and how much money did they get. You cannot find out. The information we do have is pried out of the Federal Reserve Board. Bloomberg News corporation filed a lawsuit to get some of this information. That is unbelievable..."


On Geithner's nomination - he did vote for him in the end.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8922449

"...So what do we have? Well, the fact is some of the same folks in 1999 preached the gospel of deregulation--getting rid of those old-fashioned things put in place after the Great Depression--to get what they called one-stop financial service centers. You would have one-stop financial shopping. Now you would be going to one place to do your real estate and your securities and your banking. That is what they wanted. Well, they got it. Only eight of us voted no, so they got it. Now the American people bear the brunt of this colossal, unbelievable failure.

I have to say--and I have told the President this--that I worry some folks coming into this town now were part of the chorus supporting all of that deregulation in what was called modernization--the Financial Modernization Act and a couple of other pieces of legislation that occurred thereafter. So I am going to watch like a hawk the folks who show up around here who were part of the supporters back in 1999 who have taken apart the protections that had existed since the Great Depression. I am going to watch this like a hawk..."



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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:33 PM
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28. I can't begrudge Dorgan retiring, though I hate to see him go.
Let Democrats recruit a moderate conservative pro-big business Blue Dog type to run for his seat, someone who'll enjoy working with characters like Landrieu, Lieberman, Nelson, and Obama.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:59 PM
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29. It's what I think . . . the DLC-corporate wing is pushing out liberals/progressives within the party
and shutting them up, as well --

Maybe we'll figure this out when all we have left in the Dem Party are a bunch of

GOP/right wingers working for corporations???

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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:02 PM
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30. I am trying to keep a list of all the people who have really
had our backs. As the 2010 races develop, I will post what I have and see who I'm missing. These will have my support.

Great story, Grits. You always post good OPs but you are on a roll today.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:03 PM
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31. Byron, rest up and run for Pres when you're ready.
You've been prescient on a number of issues, well documented and you've been on the side of the public the majority of the time.

I heard you give a radio interview once that just blew me away with your candor. You're one of the good guys and we need you. I don't know if you can pull it off for Pres, but you would make a heck of a VP!

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:51 PM
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34. Agreed. He was right on the money (put intended) when he warned us in 1999 about the dangers
that removing Glass-Steagal would visit upon us in the near future.

The near future is now, and one by one... every single damned thing Dorgan warned his fellow senators about 10 years ago has come to pass. Why is it that the ones who are perennially correct have to fight not just to be taken seriously, but to just be heard. While those who have been wrong over and over again (DLCites) get to have the benefit of the doubt no matter what.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:02 AM
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36. I'm in!
Great idea. Not holding out much hope, but one can dream.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:05 PM
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32. Dorgan is a big boy, he is use to disappointments. I am sure he isn't leaving just because
his bill didn't get passed.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 03:39 AM
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37. Obama and Emanuel were supporters of drug reimportation when they were
in Congress. Emanuel, in fact, was one of the key, initial supporters of the effort to allow reimportation, along with Dorgan, Sanders, and a few others, as well as a critic of the pharmaceutical industry's shenanigans in general. Once the Obama administration made their back room deal with PhRMA's Tauzin, all of a sudden, it became a safety issue. Countries in Europe had done it safely for decades, but the White House now insisted Americans would be at risk. Pure BS and they know it.

I don't know if this is why Dorgan is leaving behind his life as a senator or not. But, I have no doubt that he must have felt betrayed by Obama's and Emanuel's change of heart and the part they played in ensuring reimportation's defeat.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 03:51 AM
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38. always liked Dorgan - this was a huge loss when announced. do you think THEY get it yet???
or does the WH continue to live in denial of their triangulation, missteps, and half truths that get a very trusted senator to say screw it, I'm retiring, I don't need this crap?
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:44 AM
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39. Okay, but, isn't that how Reagan was elected?
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:16 AM
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40. so Dorgan abandons the rest of us? How is that good behavior?
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 07:16 AM by katkat
It's being a quitter.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:48 AM
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42. There will be ONE more cloture vote in the Senate on the healthcare......
.........bill. Let's hope Dorgan votes against cloture and kills the POS bill. He knows it's bad, and now he doesn't have anything to gain/lose.
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