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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:33 PM
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Poll question: OK, let's tell the truth! Health Insurance or not?
Where are you, right now, today? I'm talking any kind of insurance, high deductible or not. Thanks for participating.

Forget all the ways the bill should'a been, could'a been and decide based on what it most probably will be voted on by the senate before the state of the union address.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:36 PM
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1. My Dad always said, if you are going to do
something, do it right the first time. I don't believe it has been remotely done correctly, meaning that it will be so great that people will fight for it - what I'm seeing is going to cause more harm than good.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:41 PM
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3. Do you mean harm in terms of Health Care?
Or harm because it will give money or benefits to someone who doesn't deserve it...like Private insurance companies, or people who don't work hard and earn enough to afford health care on their own?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:46 PM
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4. Most decisions in life don't come with 100% GOP/conservadem obstruction
Imagine if every descision you made in life required the approval of at least 6 out of 10 random people. Do you honestly believe that you'd always get exactly what you want?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:37 PM
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2. Well, how predictable
"I have insurance, fuck the rest of you peasants," seems to have a lot of supporters.

Disgusting.

Yeah, it's a bad bill, but don't tell me nothing is better until you've lived with nothing as long as I have.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:46 PM
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5. That's pretty negative....Actually pretty closely divided, Pass or Fail.
Based on the discussion on DU and everywhere else, people are divided on this issue.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:48 PM
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6. My guess is that those wouldn't carry insurance if they didn't have to.
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 12:52 PM by blondeatlast
When one has a chrionic ondition it's easy to see the need for insurance, but I'm appalled at the number of people I've known who won't get it from their employer. I find it ignorant, but that's just my opinion.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:52 PM
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7. This poll is exposing the DU infiltrators bigtime.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:53 PM
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8. ...
Yup.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:56 PM
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9. Well, not quite exposing them...at least I've got not way of telling who is voting here!
It is a bit frightening to see these results.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:58 PM
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11. And DU infiltrators monolithically believe what relative to monolithic DUers?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:58 PM
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10. Are you sure its not evenly divided? Many w/o insurance want it to fail
maybe because of a mandate?
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:08 PM
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13. The mandate is freakin people out for sure.
All the young, invincable types are wondering why we are even talking about health care. I think paying for it with a "hidden tax" (like medicare) would have removed these opponents from the debate. However, if they looked and saw how little they would have to pay as low men on the pay scale, they wouldn't have so many problems. My daughter, just out of college, gets a nice policy through Massachusetts' plan, and because she can only find part time work, pays nothing. When her pay comes up, she'll still be healthy (Hopefully) and be happy to have the coverage all lined up, and happy to pay whatever to continue the coverage.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:07 PM
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12. To suggest that Medicare is virtually free is ridiculous.
I just got on Medicare. I have paid in more than $50,000 (43 years of paying in since it first started in 1966) for the privilege of receiving Part A - hospital coverage at "no" cost. It has an annual deductible of over a $1,000 and 20% co-pay for the privilege. Does that sound "virtually free"?

Any other investment of $50,000 over more than 40 years would have been better spent. However, I am not complaining. I have always understood that my funds were actually accumulated to support the greatest generation. Middle class entitlements for the WWII generation is the longest and most generous "thank you for winning the war" in the history of the world. Why should my generation get anything - after all we are the ones who "lost" in Vietnam. I am surprised that my contributions actually result in any benefit for me.

I won't even go into the costs of Part B & D and why it is not "virtually free".

Just so you know, I support whatever "reform" comes out of this current mess. I believe that health care is a right and must be available for everyone.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:18 PM
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14. Maybe I should have called it prepaid.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:22 PM
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15. I have medicare but have loved ones & friends with out. FAIL!
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:26 PM
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16. i have a fear about adding more regulations to a system that is really quite broken
i worked in medical consulting/billing for years and to be honest the system is bad and I fear that health care lobbyists made sure that it gamed the system in favor of the corporationss.

in my opinion health insurance is an unnecessary middleman because it has a profit motive.

the best system would be to have the government manage it via some system and pay providers what they view is acceptable.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:33 PM
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17. Fail. The bill is bad and I'm paying through the teeth. We deserve better.
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 07:34 PM by mmonk
Fooling us with a public option, medicare buy in talk, saying there would be no mandates and there are, no drug reimporatation, no drug negotiation, etc. and then telling we are unreasonable when we said we would like those didn't help.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:24 PM
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18. Thank you ,,,
seems my post got a reaction but you just described what I was trying to get at.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:42 PM
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20. Anytime
:hi:
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:05 PM
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19. Yikes! This depresses me big time.
463 views, 93 votes:

42 want it to pass, 51 want to fail!

Wonder if it would do any better on the Free Republic site.

What do people think would pass through the congress as presently paid off if not this next year, or the next decade? Or ever?

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