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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:14 PM Original message |
Damnit People, IGNORE THE SPIN. Inform yourselves about what the AWFUL "Cadillac Tax" MEANS for YOU |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Of course it includes many of us - its meant to control costs |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. ANd it's an AWFUL idea. Why hit the middle class, rather than taxing the rich to PAY for subsidies? |
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Blue State Blues (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. speaking of awful ideas, subsidies for private health insurance |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. This bill is just chock full of AWFUL IDEAS. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. What a looming backlash at the polls |
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thotzRthingz (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. i'm thinking: KILL IT NOW...then implement my ONE PAGE, 5-para. health care refrom bill: |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. There aren't enough rich to pay for it all |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. the top 1% own 40% of the wealth, yes there is plenty of money just by taxing the rich |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. We all have to pitch in and do our part |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. You hit the nail on the head. "if something is worth doing" |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. It's not us who will be getting more, it's those who have nothing who will get more |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Isn't that the justification for the mandate? nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Get rid of the health insurance industry's anti-trust exemption to create a market/ give a choice. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. How about taxing the rich instead? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. It's meant to interfere with the kind of healthcare |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. I currently need a "subsidized" plan |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. The tax will trickle down and will generate opposition to HCR from an important demographic. nt |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't get insurance from work, yet I have to pay about 30% tax on all my income |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Because we, unfortunately, link health care with employment in this country. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. But me paying taxes does not affect the employers. Taxing those benefits wouldn't either |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. So how do we know |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. So the angst is that uin six years it will hit one in five middle class workers, if not adjusted? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. K and R. This is indefensible. eom |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama would rather tax the middle class lose the next election than tax his rich friends. |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Oh, I was beginning to think that we had one now. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:39 PM Original message |
You're kidding right?! Have you even read the damn thing!?!? |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. What is WRONG with this man?....Who IS he? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Hard to argue with bullshit like that! |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. taxing the insurance co side of the equation |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Because... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. 85% of what dollars??? They will make an obscene profit somehow. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. 85% is what they pay now |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Instead of raising the criminal plans they will lower the better plans |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. It generates all the wrong incentives. nt |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. The House plan is the one to go with |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. Right, because the text of the bill is spin. Oh, and you had to start your own thread because? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Don't just read the bill, understand what it means and what will happen |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Do you really hear yourself? "Don't Read The Bill?" No, you'd rather buy spin from the likes of FDL |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. delete |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Well, it's quite clear who's misrepresenting and misinterpreting here. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I didn't say, "don't read the bill", you ought to learn how to read. nt |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. -1 for invoking the bad scary FDL boogyman and for purposely distorting poster's words |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
61. Have you answered my questions about how this bill HURTS union workers? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Let's see, charter schools and many other anti-union |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I've seen you start a thread today.. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. This is both wrong and politically ignorant, if true. However it will not impact |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
25. Deleted |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Including most of the authors quoted! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. deleted and post unrec'd |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. Hartmann explained it today |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
39. Want to lose a lot of (D) seats in 2010-2012? Pass this bill. (nt) |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. ... |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
42. DLC , typically if pushed to choose between helping Big Business |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. knr |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
47. K & R. The truth is out there. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
48. Here's a very important piece of info that most people are not aware of: |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Gay couples will be taxed at the $8,500 because they are not recognized as families |
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Nordmadr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. My thoughts exactly. I'm a union member and believe my |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. If that is true, I was going by the |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. Obama has betrayed |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. How do you screw UNIONS??? They are the BACKBONE of the party. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That is an excellent question. The unions are dead set against this so called "cadillac" tax.. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. By taxing their 'Cadilac' |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Duh, that's the point of the OP. I'm asking, 'how in the world do you make the political |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. This was the plan all along. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
98. I think I agree with you. Obama has been quite brazen in his paybacks to TPTB. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I'm glad I didn't fall |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. they traded the unions in for corporate money |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
53. The "Cadillac Tax" is a REPUBLICAN proposal. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
95. From the beginning I think that was fairly obvious |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
54. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
57. My health plan costs 50% of the threshold levels |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
59. How does Barack Obama sleep at night? |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. He got his |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I went door to door in RFK's campaign. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I wish we lived closer to each other |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Al Franken is.. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
64. Recommend |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
70. I thought the 'Cadillac Tax' would only affect those who make over 250/k year. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
71. K & R |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
72. 23K? |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
73. Oh my oh my. Such a complete chameleon our |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
76. Whoa, Nelly! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. First, let me say I have always thought it wrong to tax health insurance. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. You can set up an LLC if you are self-employed. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. But I think you can set up a flexplan account |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. As that kind of plan was presented to me at the time, |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Yes, you had to spend the amount in the account-- |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. As that kind of plan was presented to me at the time, |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
79. What's wrong with going back to a pre-Reagan 70% tax on the Uber-rich? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. They will have to go from 10 vacation homes down to just 8, that is what's wrong! |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
80. I've been saying this all along |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
85. It means nothing to me |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. I had another idea about how to pay for reform and it would generate |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. The House has a plan to tax those 500k and up |
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