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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:01 PM
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Brian Williams MSNBC Bullshit Report: Claims scan machines really do see everything
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 07:14 PM by 2 Much Tribulation
After a "demonstration" of a full body scan by a reporter using a human model wearing fake weapons, a plastic butter knife, facsimile plastic explosives of some unspecified kind, and a baggie filled with flour with the full body scanner claimed to show them all of these terra threats, the camera cut to anchor-dude Brian Williams, and he says he is (close paraphrase by me, transcript not available to me)

"...sensitive to the fact that there are a lot of families out there, but we want to say that this machine really does SHOW EVERYTHING."



I call BULLSHIT on Brian Williams and MS/NBC.

This is a sophisticated misleading of people, because the sensitivity Williams is invoking has an unclear referent (no matter what textual parsing might show, it's TAKEN this way by viewers), by "show everything" he could be referring just to the gonads and so forth, and he could also be heavily reinforcing the demonstration with the model, which did not fail to find any weapon. Except for the few who analyze this, it's both on the subconscious level of meaning, even though conscious analysis of "show everything" suggests the reference to showing gonads is slightly stronger, one can definitely not exclude the meaning that it shows everything in the sense of all weapons, all body parts, and does so with such clarity they can't show it all on a family show.

As Thom Hartmann pointed out a couple days ago, full body scanning machine will not detect a pound, or more, or less, of plastic explosives shoved up some bodily orifice, and the world has already seen a real A-hole bomber blow himself to smithereens around Saudi Arabia in an airplane - that's already a big step ahead of the Underwear bomber.



Do you think MSNBC could do free advertising for the corporations selling body cavity search machines? Those would come closer to "seeing everything" - but ultimately nothing's going to stop a surgically implanted bomb which wouldn't be detected by either of these existing machines.

The only useful inference from MS/NBC is their reference to the blurring the face of the model. No matter what the "safety" features or claimed limitations of full body scans are regarding facial features, there's one thing that's guaranteed about full body scans:

Without any doubt whatsoever, even if they have to be faked, a market will develop (perhaps a black market) for full body scan images claimed to be those of famous folks. And TSA/Homeland Security people at airports will be underpaid or disgruntled or horny enough to do it. Especially after a few months of commanding everyone to pirouette slowly in front of them and then seeing their nekkid bodies in the other room. Repetition does things to the brain.

I guarantee it will happen, I just can't guarantee who will start sharing or selling the images, fake or real, on the internet or elsewhere.

I can't guarantee these Microsoft-NBC (MSNBC) advertised scanners will run on Windows - but I have a suspicion.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:12 PM
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1. I do not know how I feel about these scanners yet
Will wait to see what the experts say about them in regards to privacy and potential harmful effects.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:17 PM
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2. Just don't "wait to see what the experts say" at places like MSNBC
We're dealing with a game of false security, because if terra people know there are full body scans, they will work around them, as some mules already do in swallowing or shoving upwards balloons jammed with an amazing amount of dope.

What level of false security do we want to pay for, today?

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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:20 PM
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5. Have Olbermann or Rachel talked about these scanners?
Would love to hear their take
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:35 AM
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20. TODAY show had manufacturer on TV, admitted DO NOT DETECT ANYTHING INSIDE BODY n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:35 PM
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10. No citizens have the right to speak about their privacy
They don't need to wait for experts.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:37 PM
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11. U R so right. Otherwise it's "I'll waive my freedom AND OTHERS if I can get any security"
Those who would give up their liberty to gain security deserve neither - Ben Franklin
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:18 PM
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3. That Brian Williams is such a hack n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:19 PM
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4. Warning - this may gross you out.
What will happen when they pat down an elderly person wearing Depends, or a Poise pad, or a load in his Depends?

Those things are right where the Undybomber was hiding his explosives.

For that matter, what happens when a woman comes through with a sanitary napkin? Ditto on the location.

Those eventualities could get pretty nasty.

And before you think there aren't many people who use those products, ask yourself why they get a whole aisle at Walgreens, or a good half-shelf at Target?

Trust me - as the daughter of two parents who lived almost to ninety, I can vouch for the widespread use of these products.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:00 PM
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7. what happens when you feel safer thinking it will catch underwear bomber and it doesnt
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 08:01 PM by seabeyond
all it is picking up is dicks and tits
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:17 PM
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14. I've been passing through these body scanners for 6 months..
Period or no Period..If someone wants to post that on Page Six...g/l
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:19 PM
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17. Did you get to lift your arms like you were under arrest? n/t
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:04 AM
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21. You would do that anyway if you were pat-down...personally
I dont see what the big deal is...even if a TSA person got their kicks from transferring my image to upload on the internet somewhere...how would they match my name to the image?
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:54 PM
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22. I've been patted PLENTY of times at airports, never with hands UP (as w/scanners) but hands OUT n/t
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:31 PM
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6. We are suppose to believe a word from these corporate news shows- for decades they've lied
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 07:34 PM by GreenTea
to us and controlled us and on it goes as we scratch our heads saying fuck, how did we get here....I haven't watch these nightly network news shows in decades...yet I'm just as bad....I consume MSNBC bullshit each night.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:18 PM
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8. Here's Thom Hartmann link on underwear bomber stuff - selling us a bill of goods...
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 08:25 PM by Land Shark
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/thom-hartmann-how-long-it-going-be-they-as

this link has info on full body scanners not only not detecting implanted-in-body explosives, but not the sewn-into-underwear explosives either (but the MSNBC video as described appears to say or advertise otherwise)
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:32 PM
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9. This is par for the course...
with williams, he is a bullshit artist of the highest order.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:50 PM
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12. I can see "everything" for free all over the web. Who gives a shit? nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:56 PM
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13. just think you could get a free CTscan at the airport? Saves you money
perhaps they could give passengers a free copy. Who needs hospitals when they have airports.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:19 PM
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16. Well, it doesn't "see" INSIDE, and airports always Ding ya for lotsa Bucks
so it won't be free for long, if it could actually work as a CT scan. But, yeah, I get your wishful humor.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 09:17 PM
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15. I saw a "new model" that uses a stylized "body", not the actual person being
scanned, which seems okay as far as privacy is concerned.

BUT -- I've heard they WOULDN'T have spotted the powder, and what about the effects health-wise on the person?

And, what if the device is inserted INTO the body?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 11:40 PM
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18. boy those people with adult toys are really going to disappoint the TSA..
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 01:22 AM
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19. Funny! thanks n/t
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