Seriously, if one more dumbass poo-pahs Global Warming because of the recent cold spell & snow....

[LynneSin]

I swear I'm gonna give them a peace of my mind.

How stupid can these people get? Global Warming doesn't mean that we won't have cold days or snow or other wintry things. But yet again I heard some dipwad talk about how "Global Warming is all bull because once again it was cold and snowy out. What a bunch of crock" from someone who claims to be 'educated'

Global Warming is not local it is GLOBAL. It's not about your local weather report but the overall changes happening around the globe that could have serious impact on this planet. So what if a cold wave is gripping the states right now, that doesn't change the fact that the polar icecaps are melting at an alarming rate. And sure, perhaps we don't live near these melting ice caps so who really cares, but we have large populated areas along the coast and barely above sea level that may be impacted seriously by these changes.

The earth was created with it's own 'thermostat' that helps to regulate the temperatures so they are inhabitable by all lifeforms. Why don't these dingbats do a little reading and get a clue as to how Global Warming is breaking this thermostat.

Yikes, the stupid hurts so much it burnz!!!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. peace of my mind

I haz it :D :hi:

[joeybee12]

2. Then don't watch Faux...

...I'm sure someone there is saying just that.

[LynneSin]

4. I don't watch Faux, but unfortunately there are those around me who do

:grr:

[Bleacher Creature]

3. Same here -- this will cheer you up.

http://www.undispatch.com/node/9382

[monmouth]

8. They have a Facebook connection too, lots of deniers on FB....n/t

[wryter2000]

5. We need to call it climate change

Yes, it's caused by the warming of the Earth, but what results is climate change.

[Lex]

6. My 14 year old nephew said at Christmas "it's Global Climate Instability"

to a freeper-y relative who was saying there's no such thing as global warming because of the cold snap we had locally. I was proud of my nephew. He said they had talked about it in science class and his science teacher stressed the "global climate instability" as opposed to local weekly weather. Thank goodness for non-Fox Noise watching teachers! :thumbsup:

[KamaAina]

25. Are you smarter than a 14-year-old?

The models predict more variability of all types: bigger storms, longer dry spells -- and yes, more brutal cold snaps.

Pity the misleading but sound-bite-friendly phrase "global warming" has become so widespread.

[Soylent Brice]

7. send them this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=113180

[lpbk2713]

9. KnR

It's a hot topic among the knee-jerkers. "Hey it's cold outside, so there must be no truth in that Global Warming stuff". Duh.

Give me a break. It was as recently as October when my area posted record high temps for the date. The RW Hatemonger Media cranked up their bullshit campaign when the first snowflakes started to fall. Let's see if they still want to spout the same bullshit when it's the middle of August. I guarantee not one of those lying assholes will have a word to say about GlobalWarming then.

[flyarm]

10. they are telling us we may get snow and slush and ice in SW Florida tommorrow!!

we are breaking all kinds of cold weather records down here in ..what used to be ..sunny warm Florida!!

Hard to convince people of any kind of "warming"

That word "warming" needs to be replaced!

I am even hearing "warming" jokes in the grocery store lines..while people are trying to bundle up in a place where people don't have real warm clothes ..I am seeing very "creative outfits" around here right now!!
..as I sit here freezing with what my hubby calls "throw away socks" and my new uniform of a varity of sweats, not nessessarily matching or attractive!!!

[Arkansas Granny]

11. We're having the coldest temps right now than we've seen in over 20 years. I've heard

several of the low-info people at work wishing we had some of that global warming. It seems like they expect that global warming means the entire earth will be transformed into a tropical climate. You cannot explain it to them or reason with them anymore than I can to my dog. All they see is that it's cold outside.

[flyarm]

13. words mean everything to people.."warming " is not a word people want to hear when temps

in parts of the country are -52 degrees!! and when places that don't get hard freezing are in a sustained freeze..and all the states agriculture is freezing and being lost.

I have said for years..that that "warming " word needs to be lost or replaced!

[n2doc]

12. 40 degrees in southern Greenland today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x225008

By the time everything is "tropical" we are all toast. Remind these bozos of their comments next summer when it is 110 outside....

[flyarm]

15. I heard on our Fla news station the other day that " our gulf stream" is now up in Greenland!

[n2doc]

17. yep. See link

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/6/822520/-Freak-Current-Takes-Gulf-Stream-to-Greenland

[Atman]

14. "Climate change," not global warming.

It's less confusing for their little brains.

.

[flyarm]

16. absolutely!! and what i have been calling it for years now!! eom

[Winterblues]

18. The computer model has predicted more severe storms and more often

and yet since Katrina there have been less than normal..I suspect something is missing from the formula.

[Birthmark]

26. What computer model is that?

[notadmblnd]

19. Rememer the good old days when global cooling was the great concern?

It was back during the 1970's. What ever happened to that?

[Birthmark]

27. No, I don't remember that

Probably because it didn't happen...except for a couple of popular press sensationalist articles. Now, if your question is what happened to the sensationalistic claim of the popular press, I'd say it panned out about the way scientists expected it would. :)

[notadmblnd]

28. Kinda reminds one of the sensationalistic claims in regards to warming now though, doesn't it?

here's a chart for you.

[Birthmark]

33. Only if one is...

...willfully ignorant and superficial...or inherently dishonest. The fact is that even in the 70s, there were significantly more papers predicting global warming than global cooling. In the period of 1965-1979, there were seven papers that indicated cooling. By contrast, there were 42 papers predicting warming. So, there goes the global cooling myth!

Further, the following scientific organizations have acknowledged AGW as a real problem:

1) European Academy of Sciences and Arts- 2007

2) InterAcademy Council- 2007

3) International Council of Academies of Engineering and
Technological Sciences-2007

4) 32 national science academies (Australia, Belgium, Brazil,
Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana,
Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya,
Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia,
Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda,
United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe).-2001

5) The national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a
joint statement declaring- 2009

6) Network of African Science Academies- (Cameroon, Ghana,
Kenya, Madagascar, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan,
Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, as well as the African
Academy of Sciences).- 2007

7) Royal Society of New Zealand- 2008

8) Polish Academy of Sciences- 2007

9) US National Research Council -2001

10) American Association for the Advancement of Science- 2006

11) European Science Foundation- 2007

12) Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological
Societies- 2008

13) American Geophysical Union- 2007

14) European Federation of Geologists- 2008

15) European Geosciences Union- 2005

16) Geological Society of America- 2006

17) Geological Society of Australia- 2009

18) International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics- 2007

19) National Association of Geoscience Teachers- 2009

20) American Meteorological Society- 2003

21) Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society- (As
of 2009)

22) Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric
Sciences- 2005

23) Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society- 2007

24) English Royal Meteorological Society- 2007

25) World Meteorological Organization- 2006

26) American Quaternary Association- (from at least 2009)

27) American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians- (from at
least 2009)

28) American Society for Microbiology- 2003

29) Australian Coral Reef Society- 2006

30) UK’s Institute of Biology- (from at least 2009)

31) Society of American Foresters- 2008

32) American Academy of Pediatrics- 2007

33) American College of Preventive Medicine- 2006

34) American Medical Association- 2008

35) American Public Health Association- 2007

36) Australian Medical Association- 2004

37) World Federation of Public Health Associations- 2001

38) World Health Organization- 2008

39) American Astronomical Society- (from at least 2009)

40) American Chemical Society- (from at least 2009)

41) American Institute of Physics- (from at least 2009)

42) American Physical Society- 2007

43) American Statistical Association- 2007

44) Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

You know how many of those organizations endorsed "global cooling?" None. Not a one.

Your graph has zero to do with climate. It is, in essence, a weather report. And it's not particularly good since it is the temperature of the lower troposphere and not the surface temperature.

But, hey, keep trying. I'm sure you'll fool someone.

[notadmblnd]

42. why is it that you think I'm trying to fool someone?

I'm afraid that you've read too much into my comments. Perhaps you're just a little too defensive on the issue? I made a remark in regards to the attitude during the 70's nothing more nor nothing less. I didn't deny that there's such a thing a climate change (god knows living in Michigan the weather changes every five minutes). But hey, I've grown used to angry people that just look for reasons to go off on others anonymously via the internet. Hopefully I haven't caused your blood pressure to rise too much and that you'll live another day without bursting a vein.

[Birthmark]

44. Read too much into your comments?

You posted a misleading and irrelevant graph. That is, as I said, either ignorance or bad intent. If you wish to claim ignorance, no problem. There is a cure for ignorance.

If you have no desire to cure your ignorance, then perhaps you should skip these discussions.

If you are not ignorant and are merely attempting to deceive, then quit whining when you get caught.

But please stop spewing bullshit. It's a complete waste of your time and will lead to embarrassment.

[notadmblnd]

45. you don't get to pick and choose who participates in discussion

Perhaps that is how it worked at other places you have visited, but not here. And your bonafides are? I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the future brings us Mr. Expert.
:shrug:

[Birthmark]

50. Stop playing the victim.

Learn the difference between climate and weather at the very least. That alone will clear up most of your misconceptions.

[notadmblnd]

51. I guess you'd be the expert on that too?

you're the one behaving like chicken little screaming, the sky is falling. There's nothing in my comments that suggest that I'm playing the victim. Is that your mode of operation with women, accuse them of playing the victim in order to avoid answering questions that you don;t know the answers to? You've answered none of my questions, only engaged in personal attacks.

It's a good thing you live in the south buddy, cause if you were here with me, I'd show you a victim, and it wouldn't be me.

[Birthmark]

53. You appear to be hallucinating.

If you think pointing out your obvious errors is claiming the "sky is falling" then I suggest you more closely examine the mushrooms you've been eating. They may be "funny."

You don't appear to have asked any questions, so I can't possibly have dodged any. Instead, you made a wild claim based on irrelevant data. When I pointed this out and indicated that you might want to be become acquainted with the subject before commenting on it, you doubled-down on the nonsense by stating that I don't get to pick and choose who comments. That happens to be correct. I don't. But since I didn't attempt to pick and choose, this just merely provides more fodder for the mushroom hypothesis.

And was that last line supposed to be some sort of threat? :bounce:

Simmer down. You made a mistake. We all do. Happily, you can easily avoid the same mistake in the future by merely taking time to learn about the topic.

[notadmblnd]

56. I didn't claim anything. I asked the OP if they remembered the environmentalist

in the 70's claiming the opposite? I asked you specifically about your bonifides (perhaps you don't know what the word means?), no answer from you on that. So I assume that you're just looking for someone to bully and you chose me; because if you actually read and understood what I wrote, you wouldn't be behaving as such as shithead. Btw, I may say what I say while under the influence. However, if you're saying what you're saying sober, then I'd say you're the one with a problem.

[Birthmark]

65. Actually, you didn't use the word environmentalist.

In fact, you asked "Rememer the good old days when global cooling was the great concern?"

And if you didn't claim anything, then what was the point of this: "

Kinda reminds one of the sensationalistic claims in regards to warming now though, doesn't it?

here's a chart for you."



???

My bona fides are of no concern since my information is correct and in agreement with the published science. Were I to disagree with the science, then my bona fides would be of interest, of course.

And as a matter of fact I do have a problem. I'm very, very tired of those with a strong *feeling* about AGW and who know next to nothing (or less) on the subject making brain-liquefyingly stupid statements and utterly unfounded assertions. I do not regard that problem as a fault since there is adequate scientific reason to believe that such morons are putting my grandchildren at risk over their ideology or endocrine system.

And if filling your head with facts and encouraging you to research the topic is being a "shithead", then the world could do with a LOT more shitheads.

[notadmblnd]

66. That's what I thought, you have as much knowlege as the average person and believe what you are told

"My bona fides are of no concern since my information is correct and in agreement with the published science."

So if you're in agreement with what the current meme is, then you need not have any credentials?

Those scientists in the 70's that were concerned with global cooling had credentials too. My entire point was not to disclaim anything, all I said is that there was a time that people thought the opposite hysterically like people do now. And I posted a graph that showed temperatures over a few decades. And I guess all the evidence you need is the evidence that goes along with your thinking? If it doesn't fit your position, then it is discarded without question. I thought scientists were open minded people? Obviously, you're not a scientist.

As I said in one of my posts to you, we'll see what the future brings.

So go ahead with another bully post, it's obvious that it's all you've got.

[Birthmark]

69. Maybe

But based on the discussions that I've read, I have to say that I'm much better informed on this topic than the average person. Not that that matters since reality doesn't depend upon my understanding of it. And AGW is reality.

Global warming isn't a meme. It is a fact. Either you don't know what a meme is or you don't know what science is.

No, I don't need credentials to agree with experts in a field. They have kindly done all the work on the subject that requires special training. Now, if I DISagree with the findings of the experts I'd better have one of two things --overwhelming evidence that they are wrong, or credentials to at least indicate that I know something about with what I'm disagreeing.

"People" think all kinds of things. Many of those thoughts are wrong, particularly when it relates to a scientific subject. However, the fact is that global cooling wasn't the prevailing view in the scientific literature. http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

What people thought or think is of no scientific consequence in general, aside from some of the social sciences.

What people think about AGW is of no scientific consequence at all. It is, however, important politically. This is why denialists focus on persuading the populace rather than doing science. And why you keep playing the victim rather than dealing with the factual information. ;)

[Quantess]

70. Please don't....

please don't play the sexism card in discussions on climate change.

[Bill McBlueState]

43. what's on the y-axis?

Axis labels would be helpful.

[watercolors]

20. Global warming or climate change, either way

winter or summer can see extreme temp changes, which we seem to be experiencing. Last time we saw snow in FL was 1972. This cold spell has lasted longer than usual and is colder!

[lonestarnot]

21. I know a few more.

:crazy: :argh:

[equinedemocrat]

22. Wealth redistribution scheme? This was the justification for my rejecter

I ran into on of these. With this political climate- no pun intended- it seems you can't even bring up the weather!

But I do have a serious question- this woman started by scoffing at "global warming" and proceeded to say that only a quarter of scientists believe in it. Then followed by saying it was a "wealth redistribution scheme"-

So here's my question- where are they getting this "wealth redistribution scheme" idea? I mean, what is the justification for this?

[treestar]

24. they make a huge leap

Admitting this involves the entire globe. So they believe it will lead to one government for the world. This government will of course be socialist. This is how the right wing mind "works."

[RumJungle]

23. Was that thermostat

broken during the ice age??? Just sayin' Maybe it would be good to rid the planet of us for a little while let her breath again.

[notadmblnd]

29. you first.

[LynneSin]

31. Things do break

A few years ago my thermostat was busted and my house was either way too hot or way too cold. But eventually it was fixed and worked once again. This is what has been happening to our planet. What's amazing is there are things we can do to help prevent this thermostat from breaking or at least slowing it down but too many people would rather bury their head in the sand. Oh it's snowing in Florida - I guess Global Warming is fake. Geez, how clueless can someone get?

[notesdev]

30. Nonsense climate theory

ought to be mocked and laughed at. Global Warming believers ("Warmers") twist every piece of information into something that supports their beliefs, and we end up with a theory that cannot be falsified because everything is evidence to support it.

With the majority of the human race across three continents suffering from historic cold, one would think that the Warmers would give us some temporary peace from their hallucinatory braying...

[LynneSin]

32. 3 continents are suffering from weather, not climate

Which is why, as many people pointed out, "Global Warming" is misleading, perhaps we do need to call it climate change because that is what is happening to our planet.

[Birthmark]

35. What a delusional critter you are!

You apparently are laboring under the delusion that weather (which is what you whining about) is climate. That is simply not true.

By the way, take a look at this:



The weather in Greenland has been outrageously warm. I think they have my weather.

The rest of your conspiracy theory is silly and unsupported by reality, evidence, or common sense.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Well I, for one, know that I didn't come from some monkey's butthole.

[LynneSin]

39. Well move over - I guess we're all crowded in there

:grr:

[krabigirl]

34. Yep, they don't realize that global warming refers to a very small increase ro

in atmospheric temperature. And yep, some places are supposed to get cold.

These idiots don't even realize that the Arctic ice is almost gone. I guess of course they don't care about that.

[tn_eagle]

46. what Arctic ice is almost gone?

While the Artic ice reached a low in the summer of 2007, it
has been recovering for the past 2 years:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=01&fy=2007&sm=09&sd=01&sy=2009

Who knows if this trend will continue. Of course it still
freezes back in the winter:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=09&fy=1979&sm=01&sd=09&sy=2010

[tn_eagle]

47. links working

sorry about that...

While the Artic ice reached a low in the summer of 2007, it
has been recovering for the past 2 years:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=01&fy=2007&sm=09&sd=01&sy=2009

Who knows if this trend will continue. Of course it still
freezes back in the winter:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=09&fy=1979&sm=01&sd=09&sy=2010

[TransitJohn]

37. Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm a geoscientist, and deal with it a lot. Just remind them that scientists think about time, and rates of change, on a geologic time scale, and not their day to day experiences, haha.

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. How stupid? Very stupid.

[Land Shark]

40. a catastrophic 3 degree average warming ONLY mean avg 23 degree day is 26 degress - COLD

It's like your body running a temperature 3 degrees higher than normal. Might not seem like much, but makes a big difference anyway

[Imajika]

41. The term is becoming a joke...

I hear it constantly the last month or so. "Hey, it just global warming'd 24 inches of snow on us", "Damn it's cold, must be global warming again", "where is this global warming nonsense when we need it".

The term climate change needs to be used ALWAYS. Ever having called it Global Warming was a terrible mistake.

Doesn't matter anyway in the near term. With the economy as bad as it is, American's are not going to be willing to sacrifice anything much for the environment. Without the US, there will be no serious binding deals like many hoped would come out of Copenhagen.

As long as Climate Change is referred to as Global Warming, it will be dismissed by the masses every time it snows or gets cold in their town. Not good considering the majority are already leery of sacrificing much to combat the problem anyway.

Also doesn't help when many point the finger at Climate Change every time there is a fire, a hurricane or a heat wave. Kinda hard to ridicule people for denying Climate Change any time it is cold if those whom understand the science all too often fall into the trap of doing the same kind of thing to bolster their argument.

[Fleshdancer]

48. and yet they say nothing when summers are unusually hot

I guess I could tolerate their ignorance a little more if they were at least a little consistent about it.

Seriously though, it's sad how few people take the time to learn the difference between weather and climate. These are not difficult concepts.

[davsand]

49. I'm really f***ing cold today and that is all that matters!

You DO realize that is all that matters--right? This all about ME and what I need, want, and think. What you think and how you are impacted means jack to me, because I got my stuff right here...


How'd I do? Can I "pass" if I go out among the dumb-asses spouting crap on climate change?



Laura

[Geek_Girl]

52. It's not about warming it's about Climate Change

and we are certainly seeing xtreme climate changes in th US and around the globe. Al Gores movie, Inconvenient Truth, even talked about how certain parts of the world where going to see xtreme colder temperatures.

[11 Bravo]

54. Look up "stupid" in the dictionary. You'll find a picture of Steve Doocy ...

the Fox and Friends dipshit who was yukking it up big time over the fact that it's cold in fucking winter, so Global Warming must be a hoax.

[MattBaggins]

55. "The earth was created with it's own 'thermostat'"

I lost you at this point. You were doing fine before that line though.

[1]

57. gotta do it... poo-pah!

poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah! poo-pah!

[Kansas Wyatt]

58. Please send some Global Warming my way...

Just kidding!

Uhmmm... maybe :scared:

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. They don't understand the difference between weather and climate

Climate is what we expect. Weather is what we get.

[TrogL]

60. it's not that weather gets warmer, it gets crazier

[lib2DaBone]

61. There is no global warming...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=108506&mesg_id=109311

[kentuck]

62. It is "global climate change"..

"Global warming" is a misnomer. The climate change means it is colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. The terminology needs to be correct.

[RoyGBiv]

63. They're all over this website ...

I say go for it.

Of course it's like arguing with a 3 year old about why they can't eat raw sugar for breakfast.

[HipChick]

64. Extreme cold and extreme heat...Australia is having a heatwave

and its unseasonably hot where I am now..not that I am complaining

[Retired AF Dem]

67. 15 degrees in North Alabama this morning

Where in the hell is this global warming? :hi:

[Kingofalldems]

68. One of the hoaxers was TSed last week

[amborin]

71. Union of Concerned Scientists on the recent Snow:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7450348&mesg_id=7451120