Tillman/Lynch Hearing-continuation 2

[youthere]

Previous thread Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x741744

Don't forget to reccomend this one. Panel # 2 coming up.

[BuyingThyme]

1. Can we get Mary a show on AAR?

Nova M?

What a tremendous talent.

[fooj]

2. Mary Tillman is an inspiration.

[Solly Mack]

3. Mary and Kevin Tillman are not going to let government/military

hide the truth
short recess for second panel

[ropi]

4. 10 minute recess

:-(

[flyarm]

5. important fact and question i posted on other thread i don't want lost...

there were iraqi drs' that drove jessica to the US military they were turned away!!
does anyone else remember that??

that is what the * sicko's count on is us not remembering facts..but ..didn't the Iraqi drs put Jessica in an ambulance and take her to the Americans ..and they got turned around??

am i remembering that right???

and the nurses sang to her..they helped her..

and when the Military rescuers went in they shot off gun fire ..and afterwards..the iraqi people said there were no bullet holes..and it was believed they used blanks ..when they filmed the rescue!!!!!!!!!!!


i think i typed this story son many times back then ..i have a pretty good recall of events..

but i could be a little off now...

anyone else remember this????????

fly

[seemunkee]

6. Sounds right to me.

Not sure about all the specifics but there were some Iraqi docs who tried to turn her over.

[Daphne08]

15. Yes, you're right. Now I remember.

There was at least one Iraqi doctor who tried to turn her over. I had forgotten about that.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. Of course I remember this. All the lies they told. Also the rescuers who died

afterwards. Each under strange circumstances.

And don't forget the PR firm that backed the lying Iraqi lawyer. The same PR firm that backed the incubator story for the first Gulf War!!!!!

[flyarm]

14. yes one soldier died in car wreck going to see fiancee in Virginia..

car went off the side of the road a couple days after he returned stateside..

another died in calif in his back yard..from sniper fire during a welcome home party ..in his backyard surrounded by his buddies..and family..over a backyard fence.

another died in San Diego area..getting into a car in a parking lots..i forget all those facts.

another died when he was sent from Iraq to Afganistan the first or second day he was in afganistan..


i have new computer..and my files were transfered..by a pro..but i don't know how to get into them..ahhhh..but i have all those stories saved in the files i can't access!!...dang........



fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. You are correct and your wonderful mind is an excellent filing cabinet!!!! eom

[flyarm]

27. the mind might be ok..but computer skills suck!! lol..eom

[Solly Mack]

9. I remember

My husband was in Iraq at the time and he told over the phone -from Iraq- that it was getting to be a big joke because the Iraqis KEPT offering to turn Lynch over to the Americans...

[RebelOne]

11. In her testimony Lynch said that the Iraqis tried to return

her to the Americans.

[flyarm]

17. they drove her in an ambulance to try to return her..and were turned back! eom

[hwmnbn]

34. Yep, I remember seeing that doctor interviewed....

and the story was so moving, it still sticks in my mind.

I can't find any links.

[fooj]

100. Yes. There were Iraqi doctors and nurses that were trying to help her.

Unfortunately for the treasonous, rat bastards--some of us DO remember.

[Solly Mack]

8. kicking during recess

:)

[goclark]

10. K and r ~ Bush is on now to LIE again

[fooj]

12. Blah, blah, blah. Would someone just shut this little f*cker up?

I want his ass in JAIL!

[Solly Mack]

13. I missed that earlier...lucky me...a replay of shit

[goclark]

18. What would it take to have him frog marched up to congress

and Dennis and Conyers take him on!

[Solly Mack]

22. I have no idea...nothing seems to be enough

[bdamomma]

24. bush just smearing the dems again he just hates that withdrawal date

one thing he said though was how when we voted we did not vote for failure, and he said he listened to us, he's lying again, he thinks we wanted him to continue this war. Geez, this guy is just going off his head. We did vote the Dems in to end this war, what doesn't this idiot get?

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Someone please alert when he's done!

I had to mute it.

[underpants]

28. I read the "worm dirt" story on the first thread

I had never heard that before. Not only is that ignorant and disrespectful it is telling of the Christian soldier element in our military.

These people make me sick.

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. Me too. First it was the Air Force

and now it looks like it's throughout the entire military. Makes me sick and very, very sad.

[bdamomma]

16. kick

thanks for the update, I have just read all the posts, is this a recess right now?

[ropi]

19. yep... recess right now

[flyarm]

23. shut that mother f'er up..he makes me physically ill!..i want to beat the shit

out of my tv ..with his face on it...

honestly..i am not a violent person..but he makes me feel like nothing i have ever felt...

i want to spit in his face...a big nasty spit

fly

[youthere]

26. Yep..big horking booger spit.

[butterfly77]

31. My sentiments exactly...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ropi]

25. 2nd panel starting

[ShortnFiery]

29. Yeah, this is sure to be one pompous "dog and pony show."

:crazy: :eyes:

[Solly Mack]

30. Acting IG speaking

[Solly Mack]

32. " the perception of concealment" got that? it wasn't a cover up

it was just a perception

[youthere]

33. Well of course it looks that way...but only if you look at the FACTS.

[IChing]

38. Opening statements and not addressing the coverup

Fog of
War.

[Solly Mack]

35. IG now saying filming Lynch's rescue was SOP

and nothing unusual and not meant as media blitz

[butterfly77]

36. Who are these generals?

are they there to aid in the cover up...

[flyarm]

40. yep!!!! cover up of the cover up!! eom

[ShortnFiery]

43. Roger that! They are the back wash spring butt Generals who passed

Rumsfeld's muster after all the purges. They are IMO, scum, because they hold their careers in higher esteem than any semblance of DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY.

They are whores for The Pentagon which is, in turn, in the back pocket of The Unitary Executive. :thumbsdown:

They're the ERRAND BOYS sent ... :scared: :(

[flyarm]

37. don't know if mentioned but ..a general involved refused to come today and plead the 5th

What is it with people in this administration invoking the fifth amendment? Now on the Tillman hearings, we find out that the highest ranking general who attended Pat Tillman's funeral has refused to attend this hearing, and has taken the fifth.

don't know if this is dupe from other thread..but thisn is unbelievable...well no it is not...

but i want that sob to answer the questions..and we must all help the Tillmans by demanding congress get those answers!!

fly

[Solly Mack]

41. Yep...they said that during the first panel

[youthere]

42. I didn't know that. Thanks for posting.

[ShortnFiery]

46. Why did they not subpoena him?!? Something is very wrong here because only THIS general can

answer many key questions. :shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

59. How can they plead the 5th before they're even questioned?

"Please state your name and rank"
"Congressman, I plead the 5th on the grounds..."

:wtf: ????????????????????

Gates should ORDER his ass into the hearing!

[youthere]

39. Brig. Gen. Johnson: Condolencesto Tillmans.No criminality in firefight that killed Tillman.

[ShortnFiery]

48. Yeah, the rules of engagement don't apply then The BRASS needs something silenced. n/t

[youthere]

44. Waxman: Audience is to refrain from any type of demonstration.

[youthere]

45. I wouldn't expect forthcoming testimony from SPc. O'Neil...

given he's still active duty. Retribution.

[Norquist Nemesis]

47. And sitting in the middle of those who could wield it too

Looks like intimidation. Be strong O'Neil.

[Solly Mack]

49. or from the CID head...his job IS to defend the actions of the CID

[ShortnFiery]

50. Buzz! Correct answer. Where there's power, there's big time influence. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. He's naming names! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

54. You're right Norquist, I take it back. He's coming clean. How wonderful!

I take it back! This soldier is doing the honorable thing sandwiched in between all that BRASS.

Amazing!!! :wow:

[Solly Mack]

55. He's letting them know he did exactly what he was supposed to do

[IChing]

53. Here we go Waxman questioning the generals

on the chain of command

[Solly Mack]

56. Oh, damn. SNAP..."he let it be known I would get in trouble"

Ut oh

[youthere]

57. Holy Shit! I stand corrected."I was ordered not to say anything"

[ShortnFiery]

58. One lone voice crying out in the wilderness and that honorable man is a Specialist.

not a senior NCO nor a haughty GENERAL.

Who da thunk it? :eyes:

These leaders (what's left of the military generals and civilians in The Pentagon) are corrupt.

[adadem]

60. Such a brave young man n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. Oh man! A video at his memorial service, telling The Lie!!! eom

[Solly Mack]

62. "How did you become aware of the details of Tillman's death?"

when you spoke at the memorial service, since you weren't there when he died

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Huh?

[Solly Mack]

70. questions asked of the military person that spoke at Tillman's memorial service

the goal was to ascertain who told him of the details of the death...the guy spoke the lie at the memorial service...he said he paraphrased based on the citation on the silver star...which was also a lie....

White did the speaking at the memorial service...Navy seal

[youthere]

63. The clip from Tillmans funeral when Spc. O Neil spoke.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. That wasn't O'Neill. It was someone who wasn't present for Tillman's death. eom

[youthere]

68. oops. My bad. Thanks for correcting.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

69. It's ok!!!! I've done the same thing myself!!! You're doing great btw!

:hi:

[ShortnFiery]

65. Lie one ... the former Navy Seal received the information from an enlisted

whom he can NOT remember from Tillman's Ranger Unit. Now let me see? This is the exact wording of the eulogy that he was to convey to the crowd and he can NOT remember EXACTLY WHO gave him the Silver Star write up?!? Did this Navy Seal talk with anyone else?

I hope Waxman follows up with the guy who gave the bogus eulogy.

[youthere]

66. NO ONE has seen a Congressional request for information on a fallen soldier?

NO ONE? Give me a break.

[youthere]

71. No investigation into who changes Spc. O'Neils statement.

ooh boy.

[ShortnFiery]

74. NO signatures on the digital report nor follow up to see who had access

to O'Neil's original typed account of the fratricide. <shrugs shoulders> "What ya gonna do about it?" :eyes:

[Norquist Nemesis]

78. And no PRINT OUT; just the electronic doc. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

72. Sounds like the same thing they did with the Plame investigation

"Threw sand in the eyes" in order to cover up.

[youthere]

73. Braley: Don't you think it would be a sensible followup to an investigation?

[IChing]

75. How many head shots did he get?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

76. Did all the Republicans bail out on this panel??? eom

[Solly Mack]

77. I think so

[youthere]

80. Makes it look like more persecution by the left.

Five bucks says Fox spins it as democrats excluding the right.

[Solly Mack]

82. Of course they will

[flyarm]

88. when was the last time i told you all "I HATE REPIGLICANS?" THE MURDERING PIGS

THEY MAKE ME SICK...

and just bet on it..the media will ignore this or paint it partisan...

just as the media ignored all the press conferences of the Tillmans in the past..

and how the media ignored the soldiers that were the rescuer's of Jessicas.. weird deaths ( murder?)!!

i hold our media just as RESPONSIBLE AS THE KILLERS IN THIS WHITE HOUSE!!


killers thats what all those fucking repigs are!!

fly

[Solly Mack]

92. You've had some marvelously dead-on posts today!!!!!

[flyarm]

99. I FOLLOWED THESE STORIES LIKE FLIES ON STINK!! AND...

MY HUSBAND WAS A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE..

and my husband was forced to go into the reserves during Vietnam..and lost two years in his professional sport..

so this is close to home for me!!

as was my son a professional athlete..

this hits my soul!

fly

[youthere]

89. So you're not taking me up on that? Damn..I could use $5!

LOL!

[Solly Mack]

94. LOL! Heck no.....

[ShortnFiery]

79. The Video of Jessica Lynch was "cleaned up" and this is a normal practice.

The reason was to delete classified information. Translation: To delete the parts where the hospital personnel willingly led you to her room. Shh! It was a raid. <wink wink nudge nudge>

[flyarm]

108. yeah like covering up the rescuer's used blanks..not bullets in their hollywood movie

of the resue..and geez...just happened that 4 of the 6 rescuer's ended up dead shortly afterwards!!

fuck these mother fucking liars!

now they want to know why jessica didn't come forward sooner?? she was scared shitless she would end up dead too!

fly

[Solly Mack]

81. "How high up did the investigation go?"

There's that question again

[Solly Mack]

83. Went to the SecofDef (Rumsfeld) in writing

May 20th time frame before he was aware(Rummy claims)

[ShortnFiery]

84. Yeah, when he finally responded, in writing, during December 2006.

Oh it's nice to be KING of the DOD! :puke:

p.s., BTW the witness mentioned that he thought it was the day before he left when Rummy bothered to respond. Got to tie up those loose ends. ;)

[youthere]

85. MCCOLLUM: Who has been held responsible for these bad reports?

[Hubert Flottz]

86. Gimble did a "Heckuva" Job!

Because He's another Texas Repiggie Crony.

[youthere]

87. MCCOLLUM: I'm not impressed with you (to IG Gimble). SNAP!

[ShortnFiery]

90. I like her ... a true role model : morally courageous. n/t

[flyarm]

91. IT WAS A COVER UP YOU MOTHER FUCKER AND STILL IS YOU PIG! EOM

[ShortnFiery]

93. Liar! They knew it was fratricide IMMEDIATELY after the incident. n/t

[doublethink]

95. SOME MISTAKES MADE!!!!

I'm so fricking sick of hearing that fricking bullshit!

[ShortnFiery]

98. Yeah, sort of like the Hindenburg was merely a hangnail.

:grr: LIAR!

[Norquist Nemesis]

103. It's replaced "lessons learned"

and it's still just empty rhetoric. :grr:

[gkhouston]

106. that's because they're determined not to learn anything.

If they learned something, they might have to change, and God forbid they should do that. :nuke:

[ShortnFiery]

111. They learned, "Don't get caught!" They thought that they could intimidate the family.

The Tillman Family are very courageous Americans. :patriot:

How many of us could have persisted this long? I don't know if I could and I'm one persistent little broad. :shrug:

I'm so proud of them ... they are true Americans - like we all should be, i.e., speak truth to power.

[youthere]

96. Sarbanes D/MD up.

[youthere]

97. Sarbanes: Was it the perception of a coverup...or a cover up?

[youthere]

102. Gimble:*mistakes were made* no coverup...

I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard "mistakes were made" from this administration.

[Solly Mack]

101. They lied and falsified hospital records and other documents..but no cover up

Right...gotcha...asswipe

[ShortnFiery]

105. Why would they do THAT? No political motivation for propaganda to the masses.

:eyes:

[youthere]

104. Sarbanes: The word was out quickly that this was friendly fire.

[Solly Mack]

107. People who use the "mistakes were made" BS excuse should CHOKE

on the words

[youthere]

109. NEW THREAD HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x743081

[Mist]

110. A bit off-topic, but what's that buzzing noise in background? nt

[fooj]

112. It has been there since the start. I'm not sure what it is.

[RebelOne]

113. Seems like it is coming from the sound system. n/t