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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:30 PM
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"Cadillac tax", which Obama says is "good idea", will hit businesses, older workers, those in need
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 04:33 PM by Bluebear
Friday, 08 January 2010 13:15 Press Release

Pittsburgh, PA--(ENEWSPF)--January 8, 2010. Robert Reich, Rep. Joe Courtney, and Economic Policy Institute's Lawrence Mishel and Josh Bivens have reviewed and refuted “facts” regarding the so-called "Cadillac" tax in the health insurance reform debate:

As the national wrestling match over the future of the nation's health care system moves to its new conference committee arena, there are growing signs that some essential facts are already on the ropes.

In a news conference call this week, Robert Reich, Labor Secretary in the Clinton administration; Rep. Joe Courtney (D-CT); and Lawrence Mishel and Josh Bivens, president and economist/health care expert,respectively, at the Economic Policy Institute gave the facts a fighting chance by sharing their expertise and research findings.

Mishel took on one of the latest claims by excise tax supporters, which has been espoused by a range of public officials, journalists and pundits: the argument that an excise tax will rein in health care costs and that those savings will lead to much higher wage growth.

Those who make this argument point to the latter half of the '90s – a time when health costs were relatively stable and wages rose – as their evidence. While that argument seems logical, Mishel pointed out on the call and in a detailed paper issued concurrently that the logic is only skin deep and doesn't pass the test of deeper examination.

Rep. Joe Courtney, who represents Connecticut's Second District, released the text of his letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, which he has spearheaded in the House, urging leadership to abandon the excise tax idea, given its well-documented pitfalls.

“One-hundred-ninety House Democrats have joined my effort to stop the proposed 'Cadillac' tax on health care plans, which is a number that cannot be ignored during health care reform negotiations,” Rep. Courtney said. “The Economic Policy Institute's report should serve as another red flag to the misguided Senate-backed excise tax on health care benefits because there is no question that the tax will hurt the wages of working families. The House must stand firm in its opposition to the tax.”

Mishel's paper, “Employer Health Costs Do Not Drive Wage Trends”, notes that the size of health care costs, large as it is, is too small to explain the magnitude of the rise that occurred in wages during the late '90s. What's more, the rise in wages was most dramatic among lower-paid workers, who are much less likely to have any health care coverage on the job at all. He notes that about half of all U.S. workers currently do not receive health care coverage from their employers and, thus, could not have benefited from the theoretical health care-wages trade-off.

“Just as the sun doesn't rise because the rooster crows, moderating health care costs had little to do with why wages rose in the late '90s,” Mishel said.

“Many economic benefits will flow to the nation as a whole and to working people from sound health care reform, but there's precious little evidence that these benefits will be driven by the proposed excise tax on high-cost plans and its effect on workers' wages,” he added. “In fact, recent history would argue that any reduction in businesses costs for health care will more likely go to boost income for CEOs and top managers, at least in the short run, not to raise wages across the workplace. Even if workers' wages eventually manage to claim some of the gains from lower health costs, these costs just aren't large enough to make a significant contribution to their paychecks.”

Economist Josh Bivens focused his remarks on a particularly persistent and misleading claim by supporters of the excise tax that it will only affect the highest paid workers with the most generous insurance plans, which they refer to as “Cadillac” plans to reinforce their point. The fallacy in this argument, as Bivens pointed out, is that the cost of health care coverage is not a reliable indicator of its quality. Far more important in determining the price of an insurance plan are factors like the size of the workplace and the age and health care needs of its workers. He noted that insurance companies charge small businesses 18% more than big companies for identical coverage.
“The excise tax proponents say their target is a Cadillac, but in reality they're about as likely to hit a Chevy,” Bivens explained. “The excise tax is not a progressive levy on lavish plans, instead it's a tax that will hit small businesses, older workers, and those most in need of health care the hardest.


http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12704:epi-others-debunk-cadillac-tax-myths-and-mistruths&catid=88888989:health-care-reform&Itemid=88890248
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:37 PM
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1. I've been told it's not indexed to inflation either, so more & more plans
will be hit each year as premiums rise.

This is one of the things we need to call our members of Congress about, as much as a public option.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:40 PM
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2. Kick and recommend for the truth.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:51 PM
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3. Clunkers for cash. Ironic, ain't it? n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:01 PM
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4. Americans are not dumb. This tax on health care plans is directly from Barack Obama.
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 05:02 PM by David Zephyr
Pelosi said Obama is committed to it.

Kick union workers and the older Americans even harder by taxing their health care benefits? That's Obama's brainstorm?

Edit: to K&R
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:47 PM
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8. he`ll pay the price....he`ll lose the house
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:03 PM
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5. Pssst. Just tax the rich. Start with the big bankers.
Then go to oil and coal profits. Want real HCR? Tax corn syrup.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:07 PM
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6. Adjustments have already been made for high-risk and older workers
Their policies wouldn't be taxed until they reach a higher cost threshold. So that argument is out.

I also question the argument that it will hurt small businesses most--isn't that why we are allowing small businesses into the exchanges, so that they can become part of large groups and bring down the cost of insuring their employees greatly?

Look, I understand why unions are fighting this, and hopefully, something better is going to come out in the merged bill. But I hope it is something that actually starts to lower the cost of insurance. I don't think the unions are doing any of us a favor when they decide to keep bargaining for funneling more money to insurance companies who are going to keep charging higher and higher fees for the same insurance, as long as employers are willing to pay it.

But I don't think Congress is going to leave this tax, even if it stays in, as written in stone: if it should (and I repeat, should) start to affect the middle-class, it will certainly be adjusted. We see this happen all the time, to the Alternative Minimum Tax, to Medicare, etc. Let's not get so hysterical and dogmatic.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:46 PM
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7. yup them union guys and gals that work in some pretty dangerous places
them union guys and gals that work in high stress jobs....

i worked in a hot steel drop forge plant for all most ten years ,a steel mill for 5, a truck assembly plant,and a printing plant. at 63 i`m paying the price. now i do`t have good insurance that i used to have and i`m declaring bankruptcy on my medical bills.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:40 PM
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10. I sure hope you can hang on till your Medicare kicks in in a couple of years
Not only are those dangerous places that put a lot of stress on the body, but I know how things start to deterioriate as you hit that 60 mark (I'm headed for it in about two months).
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 10:29 PM
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13. Oh yeah.
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 10:42 PM by clear eye
You feel our pain.

Like the guy you just answered whose new plan covered so little he was bankrupted.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:55 PM
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9. The AMT is a great example of something they have to come back every year and 'fix'
No one has ever been willing to just raise the level it hits. They just do a 'fix' year by year. This year they haven't done it yet. No one knows if they will. People trying to get their taxes done now are having to assume it does hit them and pay up and hope the 'fix' comes through at some point. I don't trust 'em as far as the front door. I have seen not one thing to suggest the premiums for those over 50 are going to be one penny lower than they have been. They are not lowering health care costs-they are slowing the rate of increase. We will take massive losses in the House over this but, frankly, I now believe the president considers that a plus. Much easier to move to the right as he has been doing if he doesn't have those pesky progressives in the House to oppose him.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:18 PM
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11. I don't think Robert Reich is "hysterical"
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 10:26 PM
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12. They're not fighting for funneling more money for the same plans.
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 10:27 PM by clear eye
They're fighting to remove a disincentive for employers to offer good plans. No one w/ half a brain thinks that the outcome of the tax would be to lower the prices on the plans, when the path of least resistance would be to replace the plan called "Cadillac" w/ a crappier one. I don't think you're stupid, so what's your real agenda?

And union people aren't stupid either. So much lowering of standard of living has come w/ contracts that exempt the senior workers from the worst impact of a giveback, but make new hires get less and less. Since this isn't even indexed for inflation, it's clear that the aim is to move to taxing all but the bare-bones plans w/ the highest deductibles. Why do you think America's struggling workers should accept this from a Democratic Party controlled federal gov't? I'd really like to know.

Oh, BTW, we've learned about the "just accept this and we'll adjust it in the future". We are not amnesiacs either. We remember FISA, trade agreements, taxing Social Security benefits, etc. And about those adjustments to Medicare...

How 'bout if you drop the name-calling of those who disagree w/ you, and we won't call you a dupe?
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:29 AM
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14. Kick.
As a reminder to make those calls to House members on Monday.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:53 PM
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15. Anyone remember THIS Obama?
This Obama HATED the "Cadillac Tax".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wmN3wvhNM&feature=player_embedded

Where is THIS guy now that we need him?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:42 PM
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16. Bought and paid for.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:58 PM
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17. HC plan is a disaster if this is true.
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