Do we all really have that short of a memory?

[rufus dog]

DU looks like Asshannity or FR.

"Clinton slurred Obama"
"Obama isn't transparent"
"where the fuck are the green jobs you asshole Obama?"
"Obama is a corporate sell out"

I understand people are concerned, many are out of work, almost all make less than they did two years ago, it is tough to make ends meet. Most everyone is in the same boat.

But if you think dividing the party, bitching about what has not happened, wanting your specific change now, is going to make things better and will result in change you need to face reality. Reality is the media is against Democrats, any and all! (remember the Dean Scream) Add 30% to 40 percent of the voting public that will vote for the biggest fucking asshole with an R by his/her name and very few indies need to be swayed. Look at AZ, Sheriff Joe gets reelected, look at the South!

I understand people want more and they want it now, but we all need to be realistic about where we live, who are our neighbors, and what corporations want the media to report.

[The Straight Story]

1. I don't have a short memory.

Just tonight I was talking to my son about....what was this thread about again?

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. "face reality" "be realistic" "corporations" "media (x2)".

"bitching about what has not happened"

"wanting YOUR"

"dividing the party"

"be realistic"

Talking points? I'll bet you even money that tomorrow I can find those very quotes a total of at least 100 times.

[rufus dog]

4. I will bet you are right! nt

[rufus dog]

5. OH and by the way

I like your Repuke Post on raising taxes always get passed along to the end user.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. Yeah because that isn't the way of the world, right? Never happens?

Tax my bottom line and I'd never dream of passing that tax on to my customers... ESPECIALLY in a market where my customers were FORCED to buy my product.

Yer right. Insurance corporations would NEVER consider passing a hit to their bottom line onto the consumer. Suddenly, they're going to be operating on conscience rather than the bottom line.

Got it.

[Edweird]

3. Look at the video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidsirota#p/u/0/MRNx-F8vRmM

Notice how what he is promising here is exactly the opposite of what he is doing (and supporting)?
It's not that 'change isn't happening fast enough'. The problem is that the change is going the wrong direction. It IS a corporate sellout whether you like it or not.

[sandnsea]

7. It is sad to see this place

They did the same thing to Kerry though, and then wondered why he didn't win. And the same kinds of attacks on Gore certainly didn't help. Of course it doesn't help when Howard Dean conveniently forgets that he proposed subsidized insurance for his health plan and leads an attack on Obama. Selective memory seems to be contagious.

[dkf]

8. Dean didn't have a mandate

It's ok to use private insurance if it's optional. Not ok if you coerce purchase

[timtom]

17. What concerns me more is the considerable

number of attacks on Dennis Kucinich, for, example, who is NOT a corporate sellout.

(Wait for the gratuitous "batshit crazy" comments...)

[sandnsea]

19. Yes because Dennis is responsible

for passing legislation. Oh wait. No he isn't. And has the UN signed up to send peacekeepers into Iraq yet? They're perfectly capable of doing that if they want to.

[timtom]

20. Congratulations.

You didn't use the phrase, "batshit crazy."

Good job.

Actually, I don't understand your post at all. I think what you're saying has been debated and debunked:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N8WSkP36PPgJ:www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/dump_dennis.html+legislation+passed+by+kucinich&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I thought the nature of this thread was about dissing various democratic legislators or presidents or whatever. (Many of those are majorly beholden to corporations.) Suddenly, you change the discussion to "who has gotten legislation passed?" But the link provided will shine a rational light on whatever it was you were trying to do.

[TheKentuckian]

9. Go sell it to the blue dogs, new dems, and the DLC

Go talk to Lieberman and Nelson about sacrificing for party unity and blah blah blah.

Unity is not a one way street.

[last1standing]

10. BOO! (This OP summarized). n/t

[girl gone mad]

11. There's nothing wrong with my memory, but there's something wrong with your analogy.

If this was FR or any other RW cesspool, we would be marching in lockstep to the tune drumbeat of our wealthy overlords, fueled on by hatred, religious insanity and ignorance. Liberals don't make good little authoritarian robots.

[notesdev]

12. Reality is we got screwed by our own party

which now sees Wall St., not Main St., as its constituency. There are many ways of coming to terms with it, denial ain't one of them.

[GreenMetalFlake]

13. Has for a very long time, but it's now so brazen fewer can safely disavow the obvious

[TheMadMonk]

14. Lube or dry, the pineapple still hurts.

It's long way past the time for choosing the lesser of two evils.

Until the people take the pineapple into their own hands and make stuffees of the stuffers not a single bloody thing will change.

[NNN0LHI]

15. No we are on an anonymous political chat site

Have to expect to find some pond scum around here under those circumstances.

Skinner seems to be weeding them out though.

Don

[DailyGrind51]

16. If Obam went "full-on FDR" and created WPA programs, the cry of "Socialism!" would be deafening!

And, don't think conservatives aren't waiting for just such a move.

[timtom]

18. I, for one, would take up the banner

and march proudly in those ranks.

[anonymous171]

22. They cried "SOCIALISM" back then too. But FDR, unlike Obama, wasn't a total fucking wimp. nt

[EFerrari]

23. And they can't call him a NAME! He might MELT!

I have a great memory. I remember when most of the adults in my neighborhood belonged to a union, when using credit cards was for emergencies not groceries and when people made enough money to pay off mortgages instead of having to take out seconds just to make ends meet.

[benld74]

21. I know I've got Sometimers on basic shit, BUT NOT on Politics!

[Bluenorthwest]

24. You look at Arizona and the South

Where I live is fine, my neighbors are kind, human people. Each and every one of them, including my physician, wanted single payer or a strong and open public option.
So I guess the thing is all about YOU and where you live, how fearful you are of your ignorant neighbors, so fearful that you would allow them to continue unchallenged down a foolish way. Some neighbor you are.
The very idea of sewing ill about our neighbors for the sake of a politician is really crass, by the way.