If I Hear ONE MORE TIME that.........

[kayla9170]

UNCF or it LEGAL ONLY name-United Negro College Fund should be used in comparison to Senator Reid frankly stupid statement about President Obama, I will jump off a bridge (not literally LOL). The branding name is UNCF. Here is the article from January 17, 2008:

"In its new logo unveiled Thursday, the United Negro College Fund has dropped its full name, opting to go as UNCF as part of a branding strategy that conveys the organization as a contemporary and progressive advocate of Blacks in higher education while also maintaining its heritage.
During the four-year effort to update its logo, UNCF officials heard suggestions that it change its name, Dr. Michael Lomax, UNCF president and CEO, said during a press conference at Spelman College to announce the new brand identity.

“One of the issues in the full name, African-Americans don’t view themselves as Negros,” Lomax said, recounting a conversation in which editors and writers at VIBE magazine told him the name is not “speaking to the hip-hop generation.”

“For most young people, it is a barrier,” Lomax said. “We’ve found the happy medium."

http://diverseeducation.com/article/10514/1.php

The UNCF Logo:



Senator Reid's mind need to flash-forward to 2010 or 2008 (when he made this statement), not 1960......

[TexasObserver]

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[Hekate]

7. Alerting. This is not a commercial site.

[kayla9170]

9. The Logo is to end the confusion...........

And it does not link to the UNCF website. The logo was used FROM THE ARTICLE. So what is the commercial use? I am confused............

[blondeatlast]

10. Relax, she's talking about the obvious spam in post 2, not yours. nt

[kayla9170]

11. Thanks for clearing that up for me

:7

[blondeatlast]

12. No worries.

:hi:

[valerief]

3. Anybody remember Leather Goddesses of Phobos?

On the promotional tee shirts: "A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste."

[kayla9170]

4. Who would unrec this.....This is a true article....

Whomever must like the use of the VILE word "Negro" and that is truly, sad. :eyes:

[Hekate]

6. It is not vile and I was your first Rec. See my post below.

[Hekate]

5. Key words: "contemporary and progressive " & “speaking to the hip-hop generation" & "young people"

Harry Reid is older than I am, yet I clearly remember the time when you could not go wrong in polite company of ANY color by referring to African-Americans as "Negro."

Now, I have tried to keep up with what people WANT to be called, and in the case of the Negro/Afro-American/Black/African-American/Bi-racial community, that has taken some keeping up.

Reid, as a politician, should be better at it than the rest of us. That's one.

Second, I can almost hear him, as an old and experienced politician, evaluating a younger, newer, politician's chances for the Presidency, given the country that we actually ARE. (If he were talking about Bill Clinton 20 years ago he might have mentioned that Clinton was a bubba with a bimbo problem, but formidably bright and charming, and so might stand a good chance.)

Third, too bad Reid said what went through his mind in front of people who blabbed. It doesn't change his public record, it doesn't change who he is, but it changes peoples' perceptions of him and it allows a wedge to widen in our party. Above all it allows the Repubs, including Steele, and the chattering MSM, to milk this foot-in-mouth for all it is worth for their own purposes.

Was this a macaca moment? Don't really think so.

Given how hugely everything about race affects our country and it people, is it acceptable for him to discuss race at all? As we have learned to our sorrow -- not where anyone can hear you.

Hekate

[kayla9170]

8. Wow.....This is what you believe........

The reason why we as a society have an issue with discussing race is because of GUILT, FEELINGS and SENSIBILITIES. Guilt because of what was done to a entire race of people "African-Americans". Feelings because people as a whole "feelings" get hurt when African-American's talk about their history and Caucasians have to feel guilty to defend actions of forefathers they did not know. Sensibilities because the discussion cannot ever get to the real issues "MEAT & BONES" because one side or the other walks out on the first two issues.

As for Harry Reid, he has no defense. Enough said. I do not care what generation he was born within, he lives in 2010 and is the Majority Leader of the Democratic Senate. He should KNOW better.

As for Keeping Up, I believe anyone with a brain that God gave them should know full well that using the VILE word "Negro" when referring to "Blacks" or African-Americans is going to stir up some negative feelings. If they do not know that, go to your local community college and take a African-American History Class. By the way, that is what it is called, not "Negro History" or "Black History", its' African-American History.

You in turn using the word Negro in your summary....can be turned around to English/Pink/Non-Colored/White/Caucasian. I believe that Caucasian people would take offense to at least two of those terms, right?

[Hekate]

13. Sweetheart, when I was growing up I WAS "Caucasian" and "white" and then when I moved ...

... to Hawai'i in 1957 I suddenly became a "haole girl." And until the day I left there, I was still "haole" -- which originally meant "foreigner" and came to mean "white." Last day of school each year was colloquially known as Kill Haole Day.

How you should take the word haole is entirely in how it is said to you: simply descriptive, or you-don't-belong-here insult. Believe me, as someone who simply cannot tan, I have had it both ways. I always called myself a haole; white would have sounded strange there.

When I moved back to California with its high Latino population 30 years ago, I suddenly morphed into an Anglo.

My husband, who is Jewish, moved to California from New York and suddenly morphed into an Anglo, too. But what really made him laugh was visiting Salt Lake City and being told he was a "gentile." But I digress.

Every so often I realize my perspective has been permanently warped by my childhood/young adulthood experiences in Hawai'i. I look at President Barack Obama's background and I see Hawai'i stamped all over it. The best part of Hawai'i.

I know this won't assuage your anger, but here in California I put in a dozen years on my County's Affirmative Action Commission, which oversaw the progress of hiring and promoting so-called "protected classes" by the County government --which of course includes African-Americans. I'm proud of the work I did there; sad that my fellow Californians were duped into eliminating AA programs.

I hope we can meet on common ground some time.

Oh, regarding the other two terms you used: I am pink, with freckles. And the only time someone came close to calling me English was when a youngish Latino fellow on my commission said something about "all you WASPS" and I looked around the table at the two Jews, two Catholics, and my Irish self and chuckled (I told you I must be warped), and said, "Wrong by definition. WASP means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant." Then we moved on to whatever it was that really concerned him, and worked on that.

Hekate

[Demit]

14. The word isn't vile. It might be outmoded, but it isn't vile.

You should get off your (young) high horse & stop lecturing people who have been progressive longer than you've been alive. Who were living through the history you had to to go to your local community college to learn.

[kayla9170]

17. It is VILE and as for being alive and on a high horse....

I will stay on top of my horse before I agree with using a VILE word like "Negro" and to justify others using it...Sick :puke:

As for being alive, and how long I have......well, I learned "Negro" was VILE from my parents who BOTH were raised in the SOUTH in the 1940's and 1950's. I believe (if I am on another high horse here...too bad) that would make BOTH of them young adults during the Civil Rights era. They believed that the term "Negro" and justthisclose to the other VILE word, the "N" word and they refused to be called either one of those words (so they taught me the same). That is AFTER being raised in the South were they heard these VILE terms every day.

You can also try again with me and my horse, but HERE I will sit. Me :hi: My Horse :dem:

[Hekate]

20. TY, Demit

Someone with no profile and a waving smiley and a huge amount of anger spreading all over the place.... I said I hoped we could meet on common ground some day, but I am beginning to wonder where. Too bad.

Hekate

[kayla9170]

21. Check my journal, I am NOT new around these parts...

Second, Hekate.....just because you do not agree with my opinion (I do not need to wonder why, I know) does not give you any right to question my profile. Is filling out a profile a REQUIREMENT to post? Last time I checked, I did not think so.

As for starting up whatever you called it "anger"....it makes you angry that the UNCF changed it name to reply to its' donors of college scholarships for African-American youth? It makes you "angry" that I posted the article to end the level of confusion or misuse of their "Legal" name vs. their "Branded" name? It makes you "angry" because you think that using the word "Negro" is OK, and African-Americans should not have a opinion about their dislike of the use of such word? That is interesting......confusing.....but interesting.

Maybe you need anger management classes because unless you are African-American...how does this effect you, again? Still confused but never mind. :eyes: another non-smiley face

[Hekate]

22. Not angry at all. Not confused, either. Just had a whole other life than you. nt

[kayla9170]

23. OK, and you are posting on this post, because.........

Nite, nite.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. You are young and I do highly recomend you listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUtL_0vAJk

To a certain generation of Americans, obviously not yours... negro is intrinsically matched to the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. It was the Negros who won that fight... and the word was replaced by younger Americans for African American and other terms.

But the world is not vile... it is just archaic...

[Hekate]

34. TY, Nadine

Civil Rights movement is exactly right. The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a proud Negro American, and not ashamed to call himself so in 1963.

Times change, words change.

H

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Folks get all hung up over La Raza too

Literally it means 'the race' so the Hispanic haters have decided this is proof that La raza is a racist organization.

[blondeatlast]

16. I see that all over DU, too. This place can be, well, interesting sometimes. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Yes it's been awhile since we had a good immigrant bashing thread

Not that I have missed those threads. LOL

[EndersDame]

19. The lightskinned remark is the real killer for me

This biracial woman's skin is on the browner side and know intimately how much damage is done to ones self esteem growing up with the perception that lighter skin is more beautiful and sought after trait

Oh and the fact that none of my grandparents or their contemporaries would use the term Negro in any manner

[doc03]

24. I don't see why what Harry Reid said has got everyone going nuts

Dictionary:
Negro: A member of the negroid ethnic division of the human species.
Caucasian: A member of the Caucasoid ethnic division of the human species.
Oriental: A member of one of the people native to the orient.

Negro is actually the proper name for an African American or black person isn't it?

When I was young I thought that was what black people wanted to be called, I was under the impression they would have been offended if you called them black. In this area the population is probably 90% white and in the rural community I live in I doubt if there are even 1% blacks. In my grade school we had about 220 kids and zero blacks and in high school out of 800 there were maybe 15. I don't think I ever even talked to a black person until I was 18 and moved to Arlington Virginia. I figure Harry Reid probably grew up in a similar environment and maybe didn't think it was so offencive. What he said was absolutely correct in my opinion, it is just a fact in America a black person with lighter skin that talks more like a white is going to be more successful in politics or buisiness. I am not saying that is right, that's just the way it is. Am I wrong?

[kayla9170]

26. Yes you are wrong, read the thread..........

Here we go again...........

[Sibo]

27. Very frustrated.

I think a lot of you are missing the point.

"Talks more like a white"?

What does that mean exactly?

The point is, even if Harry had referred to Obama as an "African American", his comment would still be racist, considering he was generalizing people of a certain ethnic background to speak a certain way.

"Negro dialect"? Please explain to me, what that is, without sounding like a racist. Good luck.

Think about it. I've not seen this mentioned once on a board full of supposed 'compassionates'.

Whether 'Negro' is/was acceptable is a moot point.

[doc03]

28. Oh come on black people in general do have a

a certain dialect, accent or speech pattern whatever you want to call it. Most of the time I can tell on the telephone. I am sure blacks notice a certain dialect or speech pattern from white people. I called the SS office the other day for an appointment and I could tell the lady on the phone was black and when I when saw her she was. I live in central Ohio and after hearing one sentence I can detect a Cleveland accent. I live about 5 miles north of I-70 and can detect a slight southern accent from people as little as 10 miles south of here. We have Amish and they have their own accent. I get a telemaketers call every f---g day from AT&T and they have an Indian accent. My doctor is Pakistani I believe and when he talks fast I have a hell of a time understanding him. He was just stating facts many white voters would be less inclined to vote for a black man if he had a very strong accent, I am not saying that is right it is just the way it is in America, hasn't Bill Cosby basically said the same thing? People are so thin skinned in this country, everyone has to parse every word in fear they may be politically incorrect. It's just rediculous and I don't even care much for Harry Reid in the first place.

[kayla9170]

29. That is true, that is why for folks like you...........

We use a certain tone in the Professional environment and another in the Community environment, among people like us. Also, if I talked to you on a phone, you would not know the difference. Most Educated African-Americans, know when to turn it "Off" and "On".

Still, it does not give Harry Reid a right to say anything about President Obama dialect, the "Negro" statement or the color of his skin.

[doc03]

31. I take his statement as more of an insult to whites, the way I

interpret what he said is he thinks a lighter skinned black man with a white speech pattern would be more acceptable to white voters. In other words he was kind of calling white people racists IMO. I think his statement could be called offencive most white people. I think he was comparing all whites with racist Republicans. I don't even care much for Harry Reid but I think this PC stuff is ridiculous.

[doc03]

33. What do you mean folks like you? I am not saying that's what

I think, that is the way many white people do think, look at the teabaggers. It's just a fact, you never heard anyone mock a black persons speech? Just the other day this a---hole was mocking the black lady in Detroit I think, she called the heating assistance "Obama money". He said I doesn't have to pays my rent, buy food or pay for heat I gots my "Obama money". Those are the people Harry Reid was talking about, I think his comment insults whites more than any black person. Hey if you can't understand that you just want to be unreasonable. I voted for Obama myself, so now I get called "People like you" when I try to explain my understanding of his comment. :argh:

[doc03]

30. I don't know what race you are but can't you generally tell

if a person calls you on the phone if they are black or white. I can usually tell if I am talking to a black person on the phone or I can tell the general age of a person by their voice. I can't really describe the accent or dialect but I know when I hear it. I can't understand what is racist about that, I can tell if a telemarketer is calling from India. Harry Reid wasn't saying he himself thought anything was wrong with someone having a black dialect. He was just stating a fact in the USA white people are more inclined to vote for a lighter skinned black with a white speech pattern or whatever you want to call it. If anything he was kind saying many white people are somewhat racist, actually I take it more as an insult to whites.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. There must be a KFC joke in there somewhere

but I am not going to go look for it