If a person believes that abortion should be illegal and wants to kill based off of those beliefs...

[ck4829]

Why stop there?

Should it also be legal to walk into a church and shoot...
A drug user?
A known prostitute?
A soldier about to go to Iraq or Afghanistan?
A gay or lesbian?

Simply because the killer BELIEVES that the listed above violated their interpretation of what the law SHOULD be and that violation warranted death?

[stray cat]

1. They think its self-defense - Killing someone about to kill a child

A defenseless child who is no threat to anyone. Most of us disagree with the motive but we should at least state it correctly.

[ck4829]

I disagree

I think true motive is Roeder acted like a judge, jury, and executioner based off of the interpretation of the law that exists only in his head.

[11 Bravo]

7. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant. The defense Roeder is going to use ...

is the one outlined by stray cat, not yours. And God help us all if he's succcessful.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. Political Assassination = 5 Years

We should have kicked Sirhan Sirhan loose in 1972.

[ck4829]

11. "And God help us all if he's succcessful"

I can second that.

[Winterblues]

24. Since when is a fetus a child or a baby?

An embryo is just that and a fetus is just that neither are a child or a baby. They are not yet living human beings. Until birth they are just a part of the woman.

[Dogtown]

37. A fetus is not a child.

Not legally, not ethically. Saying it is doesn't make it so.

[sharesunited]

2. When we make guns and ammo so readily available, anyone can administer personal "Justice."

[hayu_lol]

8. Can 'choice' protestors at women's clinics...

now be shot for making a protest against settled law?

Against high-ranking prelates of the Catholic church using their position to destroy a chance at health care using the settled-law of choice be subject to a justified shooting?

Looks like the lid on Pandora's box is now open for business.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

10. You're right....

An abortion provider is now justified in shooting Randall Terry because he presents an imminent threat to his life.

Whoopee!!!! Let's the religious wars begin!

[Lurks Often]

13. Oh Please

What a load of bullshit.

Unfortunately for you FBI crime statistics show crime is going down at same time states around the country are easing the restrictions against law abiding citizens are being relaxed.

[niyad]

14. then you obviously did not understand the post about roeder's proposed defense.

[Lurks Often]

22. I wasn't referring to Roeder's proposed defense

I was making a response to SharesUnited general comment that more guns = more crime and more people taking things into their own hands. I have yet to see any research from SharesUnited to support such a ridiculous statement.

However since that is a different subject, I apologize to everybody else for arguing a different issue in this thread.

[sharesunited]

15. Law abiding right up until the moment they are not. Guns cloud judgment.

[Lurks Often]

34. Again no

How about you start supporting your comments with some facts, not unsubstantiated anti-gun talking points.

In fact in the year I have been posting and lurking (mostly lurking) I don't think I have EVER seen you back up one of your anti-gun talking points with actual facts. Mostly you seem to make a couple of remarks and then wander off when people actually able to support their point of view join the discussion.

[fascisthunter]

36. bullshit they are

[T Wolf]

3. I would add....

banksters.
insurance company employees, especially the executives.
fuck nuze staff
religious pitchmen
undercover cops
Wall Street brokers

the list is endless...

[hobbit709]

4. Works the other way too-how many RWers need to be gone.

The Monty Python version

I've Got A Little List :
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list, I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed, they never would be missed!
There's interior designers, window dressers and that sort
Bank robbers who retire to Spain the minute they get caught
Or those who have their noses pierced or men who die their hair
Or idiots who host chat shows and disc jockeys everywhere
And customs men who fumbling through your underwear insist
They'd none of them be missed, They'd none of them be missed!

CHORUS: He's got them on the list, He's got them on the list
And they'll none of them be missed, They'll none of them be missed.

There's the people with pretentious names like Justin, Trish and Rofle

And the gynecologist, I've got him on the list!
All muggers, joggers, buggers, floggers, people who play golf
They never would be missed, They never would be missed!
All waitresses who make you wait, accountants of all kinds
And actresses who kiss and tell and wiggle their behinds
And poncey little singers who to entertain us try
By dressing up like women and by singing far too high
And who on close observance must be either stoned or pissed
I don't think they'd be missed, I'm sure they'd not be missed!

CHORUS: He's got them on the list, He's got them on the list
And they'll none of them be missed, They'll none of them be missed.

There's the beggars who write letters from the Inland Revenue

And the gossip columnist, I've got him on the list!
Comedians and weightlifters and opera singers too
They'd none of 'em be missed, They'd none of 'em be missed.
All traffic wardens, bankers, men who sell Venetian blinds
All people who wear silly ties, Australians of all kinds
And nasty little editors whose papers are the pits
Who fill their rags with gossip and with huge and floppy... writs
But anyway I think by now you must have got the gist
They'd none of them be missed, They'd none of them be missed!

CHORUS: You may put them on the list, You may put them on the list

And they'll none of them be missed, they'll none of them be missed!
[ I've Got A Little List

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

5. You forgot one....

A Judge?

This is the most insanely irresponsible ruling I've ever seen. Not a lawyer here - is there no way to stop this trial (short of a mistrial, which I believe the insane judge must declare himself) on the direction of a higher authority? Or must this travesty continue and then have any verdict reviewed on appeal?

This judge is basically saying that if you have a sufficiently fervent and delusional ideological belief, then it's OK to kill somebody over it. All I can say is that we owe Timothy McVeigh a BIG FUCKING APOLOGY. He should be free on parole right now, right?

[KansDem]

6. How about a banking CEO or a Wall Street wheeler-and-dealer?

I mean, forcing families into foreclosure and bankruptcy and denying them affordable health care due to greed and criminal activity could lead to deaths...

How far are we prepared to take this?

[defendandprotect]

12. This is, of course, domestic terrorism and has been for decades ... unstopped by FEDS....

[dysfunctional press]

16. you obviously don't understand their mindset.

they feel that abortion is the murder of an innocent life- a life that cannot defend itself, so they must.
none of the other people on your list are involved with the murder of an 'unborn child'.

[ck4829]

17. But I'm not just talking about anti-choicers

What about any vigilante, what about anyone who thinks they should be able to take the law in their hands?

Could they use the law to protect themselves as well?

[dysfunctional press]

18. they could certainly try...

and they have.

it doesn't work.

[niyad]

19. we understand their damned mindset just fine, thank you. it isn't about fetuses (NOT children, but

a biological parasite, thank you) it is about woman-hating, and a desperate desire to control their reproductive functions. you might notice, by the way, that these same people are generally against programs to aid these same children once actually born. and that stupid argument about "defending a child" can extend, to any group that a delusional twit wants to justify.

[dysfunctional press]

20. to them, it isn't a fetus, but a defenseless child.

you have your interpretation of their actions, and they have their own interpretation. :shrug:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. Justifiable Homicide

applies to cases where the your life, or the life of another person, is in imminent danger. If someone is attacking me, or you, with the intent of doing bodily harm, the law will justify the use of deadly force.

Dr. Tiller was standing in the Narthex of his church. He was not engaged in any activity that could be reasonably described as placing the shooter or any other person in imminent danger.

Fuck their mindset. The law does not allow them to murder someone because they fervently believe that someone deserves to be killed.

[dysfunctional press]

29. i never said or even implied that they had any legal right to do so.

[unblock]

33. except that the death that you would be preventing has to be criminal in nature

if someone is about to die because of an accident, i can't go about shooting people to try to prevent it.

say i see a senile man someone wander off into a demo site. i can't kill the whole construction crew to save that person.

justifiable homicide only works when the LAW recognizes that the death you're preventing is criminal.

[krabigirl]

28. trust me, these freaks think it's "god's" will for them to kill all of those on the list ro

and more. Don't believe me? lol...the fringe nuts DO believe this.

[KakistocracyHater]

31. killing in the name of life

ccrazyyy!

[dysfunctional press]

32. it happens all the time.

:shrug:
people gotta eat.

[mdmc]

23. If it was legal to murder children under one years old

I think that killing a parent that was about to kill a 6 month old would be justified.

That is what I find so interesting about the right to lifers. I ask them if abortion is the murder of a child, why didn't Raygun, GHWBush, clinton, or Dumbya fight like hell to change the law?

If abortion is murder, why has the GOP allowed it to continue (to support their political agenda)?

[guitar man]

25. If they ever managed to do away with it

they would never win another election. Without that plank in their platform they lose a shitload of voters and they know it.

[mdmc]

27. I agree with your conclusion, but disagree on why it is bad for the GOP

Overturning roe v. wade will be a fight against sex. Abortion is based in the same privacy right that allows single people to purchase birth control.

When you fight on the side of prudes against sex, you lose. Americans want to have sex, they don't want their right to have sex, uh, fucked with.

The GOP may be thrilled by their victory over roe v. wade. But I bet a ton of promiscuous non-voters would make that victory very short lived.

[Motown_Johnny]

26. Wrong argument

What you should be asking is....



Then why wouldn't it be OK to kill a judge who upholds the decisions of the Supreme Court?





Hit home with the people who will be making the decision, the judges.

[varelse]

30. In the extreme case, this is a defense for terrorists

in a sense, that is what it is anyway - a terrorist has been allowed to use his personal beliefs to argue for a lesser charge than premeditated murder.

[yowzayowzayowza]

35. I guess anti-death penalty folks can now start...

pickin' off judges and jurors.