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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:24 AM
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Why would DUers go see Avatar and make Rupert Murdoch and Fox richer?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:25 AM
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1. Because it is an entertaining movie
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:29 AM
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3. So all this faux outrage about Faux News can be overcome by a couple hours of visual titillation?
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:38 AM
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10. not seeing Avatar is not going to rid us of Fox News
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:41 AM
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13. What's to overcome?
Fox News and 20th Century Fox are separate subsidiaries of News Corporation. The success or failure of this film is not going to affect the type of programming that Fox News airs.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:50 AM
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21. Fox News is a division of the Fox Entertainment Group.
Also, Fox is a huge corporation. If every DUer who ever signed up here boycotted the movie it probably wouldn't be a drop in the bucket for NewsCorp profits.

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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:27 AM
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2. If I worried about who was making money I would never go to see a movie.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:29 AM
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4. James Cameron is a democrat and you are making him richer.
Sorry politics doesn't play out in everything.

Hollywood is very left leaning. When you add up the salaries of all the left leaning workers plus the massive payouts to the top talent (most actors are left leaning) and the Director it is a wash.

Hell some people on DU likely own Newscorp stock. If you have a mutural fund in 401K or IRA likely you have some exposure to newscorp anyways. So stock owning members of DU get a (ultra tiny) cut of the profits.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:35 AM
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8. News Corp doesn't pay a dividend and it has been essentially flat for the last decade
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 10:36 AM by FarCenter
So DUers haven't made appreciable money off News Corp for at least that long.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:39 AM
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11. Not sure which newscorp your are thinking about but...
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=Linear&chdeh=0&chdet=1263330000000&chddm=999396&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:NWSA&ntsp=0

They do and have paid a dividend. Anyways that is beyond the point. Corporations are massive and employed many people either directly or indirectly.

If I avoided every product, service, or employment that was in any way associated with right leaning organization I would need to be a hermit, grow my own food, and make my own clothing.

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:49 AM
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18. tell me about it.
i just discovered today that the company that owns the building in which i work - and to which the company for which i work pays rent - is the real estate arm of the LDS church. they don't even pay taxes on our rent yet this was an entity that was very active in the passage of prop 8 in CA.

i deplore it. but i cannot afford to quit my job, and i am not in a position to tell management where our office is located.

somewhat OT, but is there a movement going on anywhere to strip politically active religious organizations of their tax-free status?
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:50 AM
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20. You are right about the dividend -- I had looked up NWS on Yahoo and it didn't indicate one
NWS-A are non-voting shares.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:43 AM
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14. Not a huge dividend (less than 1%) but it pays one, and in mutual funds
those are usually reinvested automatically, in order to buy more shares.

And saying that it's flat--well, the S&P 500 has been worse than flat for the past decade, so the News Corp isn't doing any worse than the overall market.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:59 AM
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25. Points. A lot of people involved with the film would have had them
Including Cameron, Weaver, and the films producers. They're taking home a huge chunk of change, though I'm sure all of NewsCorp is benefiting. However, with film production down 30% I can only see "Avatar"s success as a good thing. I have loads of unemployed friends in the film industry, and if more studios start investing in big budget pictures it will help to put a lot of people back into their own homes.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:30 AM
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5. Not Me No Thanks
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:32 AM
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6. Because it's an entertaining movie that conservatives hate. nt
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:44 AM
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15. Good enough reason for me. n/t
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:47 AM
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17. They hate it? Are you sure?
I'm surrounded by Republicans who love the movie. I assume that because they like sci-fi, they love this movie. I think conservative sci-fi fans are used to getting progressive messages in their SF books and movies.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:54 AM
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22. Yes, they do:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/politics-avatar-conservatives-attack-movies-political-messaging/story?id=9484885

The Politics of 'Avatar:' Conservatives Attack Film's Political Message
Conservatives Take Aim at Movie's Anti-War, Nature-Loving, Religious Tone
By HUMA KHAN

Jan. 6, 2010—

James Cameron's "Avatar" may have smashed box-office records, but it's receiving less-than-stellar reviews from some conservative writers who have panned the movie's blunt political messaging.

"I call it the 'liberal tell,' where the early and obvious politics of the film gives away the entire story before the second act begins, and 'Avatar' might be the sorriest example of this yet," wrote conservative movie critic John Nolte.

Filmmaker Cameron does little to hide the political nuances in his $230 million hit, which has grossed more than $1 billion worldwide and is on its way to becoming one of the top 10 highest domestic grossing movies of all time.

From its portrayal of the corporation that wants to take over the natural resources on the planet Pandora -- a not-so-subtle allusion to the likes of Halliburton and defense contractor Blackwater -- to distinct religious, anti-war and pro-environment themes, the film's political messaging has rubbed many conservatives the wrong way.

"I wasn't infuriated by 'Avatar.' I was infuriated by the way it framed the culture-war debate... as if there are no secular people on the right," Jonah Goldberg, editor-at-large of the National Review, told ABC News.

Some conservatives have panned the movie not just for its overt political tones, but its criticism of American actions.

"'Avatar' is a thinly disguised, heavy-handed and simplistic sci-fi fantasy/allegory critical of America from our founding straight through to the Iraq War," wrote Nolte. "It looks like a big-budget animated film with a garish color palette right off a hippie's tie dye shirt."

The inhabitants of the planet Pandora in the film, the Na'vi, live in harmony with their natural surroundings and have strong faith in the powers of their goddess Eywa. But the RDA corporation, run by humans, sets up shop on Pandora to exploit its mineral resources. It will do anything to obtain Pandora's "nobtainium," even if that means destroying the Na'vi, their habitat and their faith.

Some conservative writers say they are outraged by strong religious undertones in the movie.

"Like the holiday season itself, the science fiction epic is a crass embodiment of capitalistic excess wrapped around a deeply felt religious message," Conservative writer and blogger Ross Douthat wrote in an op-ed in the New York Times. "'Avatar' is Cameron's long apologia for pantheism -- a faith that equates God with Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion with the natural world."

Avatar's Political Message Irks Conservatives

Other themes in the movie have also been the subject of conservatives' ire. Travis Kavulla, an African Studies scholar, argues that the movie's depiction of Na'vi as helpless victims gives a false sense that natives are always in harmony with nature.

"When you have this complete alien species presented as a kind of the Hollywood ethics embodiment, I don't find it credible," Kavulla told ABC News. "There's this romantic notion of nature. ... It's just ridiculous to think that most indigenous people are kind of hunter gatherers who don't impact their environment."

The movie also takes takes a swipe at the Bush administration's war in Iraq, even drawing parallels to the Vietnam war, a move that Goldberg dubbed a cliche.

"There are dozens of movies that have taken shots at Bush, starting with 'Star Wars' movies," Goldberg told ABC News. "What's offensive about this is not that it's carrying an ideological agenda. It's that it's so lame. The guy is not even president anymore. ... It's bravery at the cheapest for Cameron to think, if he thinks that, this took courage on his part to make."

John Podhoretz, writing a critique for the Weekly Standard, goes so far as to call the movie "anti-American."

"The conclusion does ask the audience to root for the defeat of American soldiers at the hands of an insurgency. So it is a deep expression of anti-Americanism-kind of," Podhoretz writes.

Conservatives Pan Liberal Bias in Avatar

This is certainly not the first time a Hollywood movie has been accused of liberal bias, or criticized for its political undertones.

Some critics such as Kavulla say the movie, which is mainly about the 3D special effects, should not be taken seriously. But at the same time, some conservatives say they cannot discount its impact on pop culture.

"I think conservatives understand how influential pop culture can be," Kavulla said. "I talk to people who have not seen a movie in theaters in years. Nonetheless they are talking about their excitement ... It is a reinvented way of watching a movie."

Those on the political right don't see the movie as controversial -- in fact it may be the opposite, Goldberg said -- but there is a certain amount of sensitivity about these issues among conservatives.

"The special effects really look awesome but the story, regardless of the politic stuff, is salient. ... It's incredibly trite and cliched," said Goldberg said.

For his part, Cameron has been unabashedly open about his political intentions.

The movie is about how greed and imperialism tend to destroy the environment, in this case the "pristine" environs of Pandora, Cameron said in an interview with NBC's Today show. "It's a way of looking back at ourselves from this other world, seeing what we're doing here."

Copyright © 2010 ABC News Internet Ventures
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:33 AM
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7. Probably the same reason some watch the Simpsons or Glee or House
or 24 or the National Geographic channel...or read the Wall Street Journal...or read HarperCollins books.

Because we get something--entertainment, information, enjoyment--from these sources, and our lives aren't dictated by other people's political views.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:36 AM
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9. Well said.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:39 AM
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12. It a matter of personal principles and standards
Not being dictated by other people.

And consistency of thought with regard to the role of corporations such as News Corp and conservative propaganda.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:44 AM
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16. Do you read HarperCollins books? Do you ever watch any of the shows
I named?
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:58 AM
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24. Harper Collins? Sara Palin's publisher -- no, I don't
Simpsons - no
Glee - never heard of it
House - no
24 - no
National Geographic channel - very rarely
Wall Street Journal - no, and I've let other subscriptions lapse since News Corp acquired WSJ


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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:05 AM
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26. Yeah, HarperCollins. Madeline Allbright's publisher. Also, Freakonomics,
Craig Ferguson, To Kill a Mockingbird, Profiles in Courage, The Old Man and the Sea, Black Boy, etc. etc. etc.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:49 AM
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19. because it's entertaining.
i don't let my politics interfere with my entertainment choices.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:56 AM
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23. That's what I wondered here a couple of weeks ago...
I was basically told to go fuck myself.
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