I went to Google news to find stories about other Christian Leaders

[MineralMan]

condemning Pat Robertson's ugly little diatribe:

http://news.google.com/news/story?cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&ncl=dGA37vplZ0ZKr-Mb0Q1qfLIG_OzVM

44 news stories about Robertson's little nastiness. Not a single news story about any other Christian leaders condemning him. Odd, don't you think?

[Warpy]

1. Fake Christian solidarity with men like that

has been mainstream Christianity's PR problem for a very long time.

They still haven't bothered to wake up and smell the corruption.

[chaplainM]

22. Maybe the solidarity isn't fake.

Maybe they'd rather side with believers like the members of the 700 Club than allow rational explanations for things like earthquakes to take hold with their flock.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Haitians are poor, black, and they talk funny. And they are unbelievers, voo doo artists....

And thus not worthy, in the minds of many Christian leaders, of defense.

:patriot:

[sui generis]

5. let's put the hoodoo on Pat. I'll start

[kirby]

9. Haiti is 96% Christian...

Some 80% Roman Catholic and 16% Protestant.

[SalviaBlue]

17. I guess all those christian missionaries sent their to feed their dogma

to the Haitians can say Mission Accomplished.

[Ignis]

20. The Christian (esp. Catholic) and Vodou populations overlap.

If that's not clear, what I'm saying is that a) many, many more people practice Vodou than will admit it to a census taker or other government official, and b) those Haitians who practice Vodou most likely still call themselves Christians.

Hope that helps. :hi:

[Libertas1776]

13. and Catholic too...

that alone would be enough for the Robertson xtians to despise Haiti. After all, the complete collapse of the great Cathedral Notre Dame de Port au Prince and the death of the Archbishop of Port au Prince during the quake don't count since they weren't true xtians and probably had a part in theat pact with the devil :sarcasm: :eyes:

[MineralMan]

30. They like the Catholics for their opposition to GLBT rights and

abortion. Move beyond that, though, and they're not so happy with them.

[atreides1]

3. Nothing Odd about it

[Bluebear]

4. Not odd in the least.

Sad but not odd.

[Ignis]

6. Well, to (bend over backwards to) be fair...

Let's give them a day or two for them to respond to reporters who've contacted them for their comments and reactions to PatRob's hate-speech-du-jour.

But I'm not holding my breath for an outpouring of condemnation, based on past performance.

[tularetom]

7. It's odd that you would expect to find "christian leaders" having the cojones

They're scared shitless of the crazies that make up robertson's "flock".

Hell, when that fat fuck falwell croaked, the news was full of stories about "mainstream" religious figures and the liberal media jumping backwards through their assholes to praise him. After the fat POS had spent his life trashing them.

[Soylent Brice]

8. odd? not really.

[NaturalHigh]

10. I think that you will see them condemning his comments.

Contrary to what many here think about us Christians, most all of us are perfectly capable of seeing how reprehensible Pat Robertson's comments are.

As I wrote in another thread, Pat Robertson is a Southern Baptist (as am I), and I don't personally know a single Southern Baptist who would agree with or condone his comments.

[MineralMan]

12. Are you a Christian leader?

I'm waiting for Christian leaders to publicly condemn Robertson's little speech. How about contacting the ones you know and asking them when they will do so. As an atheist, I don't know many Christian leaders these days. Your pastor will do. Just give me a link to his statement on the church website. That'd be great!

[NaturalHigh]

16. Our church doesn't actually have a website...

but I can promise you that our pastor will be appalled by what Pat Robertson said. He is a very emotional person, and I can tell you without a doubt that he is in tears and mourning about this disaster in Haiti.

[MineralMan]

23. You see, the thing is that I know that most Christians dislike statements

like the one Pat Robertson made. However, it almost never happens that other Christian leaders condemn such statements. That was the point of my original post. I'm sure you don't like what Robertson said, and that's good, but you are not in a position to apply any pressure on Robertson. That's for his peers, and they do not seem willing to do so.

So, if you talk to your pastor, ask him to clearly state that he repudiates the statement made by Pat Robertson. If he will not do that, then he is in collusion with such statements and is no better than Pat Robertson.

Only when Christian leaders take responsibility for repudiating evil statements made by other Christian leaders will I have any respect for them. What you think is one thing. What is said in public by the leaders of Christianity is quite another. So far, in many such situations, they have been silent. So, if you don't like what Pat Robertson said, ask your pastor to publicly repudiate it and encourage those he knows to do the same.

[blondeatlast]

24. Reposted. nt

[MineralMan]

28. Actually, that's not really true.

We have bishops and archbishops of the Catholic church. I guarantee that they can get press when they want it. In every city with a newspaper, there are clergypersons who have access to the media. It is so rare for one of these to repudiate a cretin like Robertson that it's almost unheard of.

This silence is acquiescence to such statements, in my opinion. Repudiation is the minimum required response. Otherwise, Robertson becomes the de facto spokesperson for Christianity.

[blondeatlast]

31. The Catholic church is far better organized than the rest of us.

They have their own media as well.

I think it's like the Democrats--the right hand and left hand aren't coordinated enough to have an efficient PR machine.

I'd like to see it as much as you would, but it doesn't happen overnight.

[mitchtv]

11. and the so called "good Christians" wonder

why people don't recognize their good intentions; as they have allowed the extremists to control their pulpits. Lilly livered is no virtue.

[AspenRose]

14. What I'm seeing so far

is that actual Christians are actually too busy responding to the crisis and trying to figure out ways to help. That kind of stuff usually doesn't make the news because it isn't sexy enough.



http://blog.sojo.net/2010/01/13/sojourners-readers-respond-to-haiti-earthquake/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sojourners-Magazine/109054332793

http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.5719935/k.E27B/Earthquake_in_Haiti_The_Church_Responds.htm

http://ecusa.anglican.org/79901_118410_ENG_HTM.htm

http://www.pcusa.org/

http://www.elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Three-Expressions/Churchwide-Organization/Communication-Services/News/Releases.aspx?a=4389

http://www.ucc.org/news/earthquake-devastates-haiti.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UnitedChurchOfChrist+(United+Church+of+Christ)

http://www.churchworldservice.org/site/PageServer




OTOH, people like Pat are too busy sitting around on their asses pontificating, and the media is all too willing to give them a microphone.

I hope it backfires.

Anyone who wants word on what the churches are doing, or what their statements are, should go to the individual denominations directly.

There's a reason why the religion page is at the very back of the newspaper...have we not figured out that loud-mouthed right-wingers will ALWAYS dominate the news? That includes the "religious" ones. Why does this surprise people?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. Not odd... but they SHOULD come out and condemn his statement(s).

[Bluzmann57]

18. Maybe real Christians are actually doing something

Like going to Haiti and helping out. Maybe thay don't have the time to worry about what some moronic asshole said on tv.

[AspenRose]

19. Yep

Exactly

(and they're not worried about atheists looking to pick fights, either)

[MineralMan]

25. And it would take five minutes to publicly repudiate Robertson.

He's made other such statements and the silence has been deafening.

Don't make assumptions about me. I'm fully aware of the efforts Christians are making in Haiti. I have Christian family members directly involved.

This is not about that. This is about the failure of Christian leaders to repudiate statements by well-recognized Christian leaders who are misrepresenting Christianity.

Do you support Robertson's statement today? Does your pastor? Do you even know what your pastor thinks about it?

[TCJ70]

35. My pastor had no idea what Pat Robertson said...

...and when asked about it said he hadn't paid attention to Pat Robertson in a very long time.

[randr]

21. They have all made a deal with the devil

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. No religions are not good at calling their own on the BS

but wait for the outrage when Muslim leaders fail to condemn the radicals.

by the way this one is our own radical.

[MineralMan]

37. Yup. And that's the entire point.

[blondeatlast]

27. I think the problem is that reasonable spiritual leaders lack the soapbox

the cretin has.

There's no controversy in calling for giving and prayer, but stupid hatred from the mouth of a money-grubbing vermin is SEXY.

[MineralMan]

29. Actually, that is not true.

We have bishops and archbishops of the Catholic church and Christian leaders in every city. I guarantee that they can get press when they want it. In every city with a newspaper, there are clergypersons who have access to the media. It is so rare for one of these to repudiate a cretin like Robertson that it's almost unheard of.

This silence is acquiescence to such statements, in my opinion. Repudiation is the minimum required response. Otherwise, Robertson becomes the de facto spokesperson for Christianity.

[TokenQueer]

36. Nicely stated.

"Repudiation is the minimum required response." Indeed.

:thumbsup:

[undeterred]

Bullshit broad brush anti-religion post.

Try posting something positive for a change instead of posting about something you can't find.

[MineralMan]

34. I'll take that advice under advisement.

[winyanstaz]

32. A true Christian is hard to find....

However there are many good and true Christians that care about their fellow human beings out there and they dont deserve their good name being smeared by the likes of Pat.

[spanone]

33. cahoots