NBC News: Obama asking W to help Clinton spearhead Haiti relief.

[chimpymustgo]

Interesting. Get the lazy bastard off his ass to do some good in the world. But my stomach turns at the platform this gives him to "rehabilitate" his image.

Though we'll never forget Katrina. Never.

This just reported on the Today Show.

[cali]

1. ugh.

[aquart]

2. Oh, dear, does this mean he'll have to WORK?

Get near to humans in distress? I didn't know Obama could be so cruel.

George will consider it torture so I like the idea.

[ProfessorGAC]

77. Work?!?!? Work?!?!?

Never! Never has, never will.
GAC

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Maybe Rummy, Cheney, and L. Paul Bremmer Can Lead Reconstruction

Paulson and Summers can rebuild the treasury.

[old mark]

4. Do they make rum there? nt

[jmowreader]

93. I think they make pruno there...

and since Bush is probably wanted for SOMETHING in Haiti, he may get some of it if he goes there.

[Kahuna]

5. Nice move, Obama. Let's see the lazy chimp do some actual work

for a change. :rofl:

[malaise]

24. Worst move ever

Bush should be in prison for war crimes

[Kahuna]

30. He never will be. So Obama may as well put him to work for some devasted

people.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

39. +1

Haiti needs all the help it can get right now, even from a lazy ass alcoholic. Maybe this will get Republicans to donate.

[bdamomma]

36. for sure, that bastard is giving motivational speeches??? for what?

I agree with you how fast people forget, damn that man got away with murder, literally and figuratively.

[MissDeeds]

50. He was responsible for Katrina deaths

It's pathetic political pandering to call on him to "help". People in crisis don't need his kind of help, and it's an affront to them to even suggest he get involved.

[Individualist]

90. +1

[Junkdrawer]

6. Those poor people...

Aren't they suffering enough?

[chimpymustgo]

33. +1.

[Enthusiast]

7. Why would he ask someone so

obviously inept to help do anything? See, this is part of an effort to lend credibility to W and help repair the damaged image of the Bush Administration.

[xiamiam]

58. why?...nt

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

8. He can take Brownie with him

Why does Bill Clinton spend so much time palling around with Bush SR.? And now Obama calls on W? Why? Who needs or wants the man that brought illegal war and death to millions? Not mention the guy who ate cake and vacationed while Americans sat on roofs and overpasses and died? Sickening beyond belief. I agree with the poster above that said this is Obama's effort to rehabilitate W' image.

The puzzle just keeps getting filled in.

[Enthusiast]

106. Yup.

On the one hand we see the Obama Administration to be opposed to any investigations that might reveal Bush Administration malfeasance while on the other hand he makes a concerted effort to include W in an obvious PR opportunity to help heal his image.

This is beyond curious. It sounds for all the world like Obama and Bush are part of the same team, a team that does not include the regular American citizen or their best interests.

[Bragi]

9. Were no other divisive, hyper-partisan war criminals available?

If this is true it is an appalling lapse in judgement by Obama.

[Rabrrrrrr]

51. ROTFL! Beautifully said!

:rofl:

[Enthusiast]

104. I like your thinking. nt

[Solly Mack]

105. +1

[Xipe Totec]

10. It's like asking Hannibal Lecter for help in the kitchen n/t

[Soylent Brice]

49. ^^^^^

:spray:

[mmonk]

11. That is in keeping with the Clinton/Bush coalition.

Get our corporate lords off their feet and help out (that part is good). But I hate living in a country where the crimes of the past 8 years are ignored as if they did not occur.

[elleng]

12. He ain't no manager.

Should get Wes Clark.

[ShortnFiery]

18. LOL and Wes Clark ain't no LEADER. At least he's not respected by his juniors.

We need someone who's willing to make the HARD, non kiss-ass choices that do NOT to serve America's OWNERS. The two above named politicians are the valued PLAYERS who will always serve the interest of the upper 1%. :thumbsdown:

[elleng]

32. That's not true, but we've had this disagreement before, Shorty.

[Richardo]

54. Too bad Che's dead, isn't it?

:cry:

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Extent of help one can expect from *: Flying over Haiti, with the "concerned" look on his face.

Katrina Redux.

[Junkdrawer]

23. Hide the bullhorns....

He likes to stand on rubble piles and talk using bullhorns...

[ShortnFiery]

14. Disgusting for President Obama to give W any clout. Now I know they are part of the same Big Club.

Dubya and Obama are in the Big Club ... they are PARTNERS in screwing us "unwashed masses."

"You and I are not in the Big Club." grr: :puke: :grr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

[Botany]

15. Although I loath that unelected twit if he can help just one of those poor

souls then I am for having W do some good.

[ShortnFiery]

16. People like George W don't give a shit about the poor. Obama's disgusts me for asking

Bush to "pretend he cares."

All these national politicians are corrupt and vile with a very few notable exceptions.

Continue to elect these RICH JERKS who don't give a damn about the poor ... not at all! :puke:

[Robb]

34. Fortunately the people suffering in Haiti aren't as particular about who helps them.

[11 Bravo]

107. Bush still has the ear of tens of thousands of rich wing nuts.

If he can convince just one of them to assist in the Hatian relief effort, then good. If that offends your tender sensibilities, tough. I'm sure the people who are trying to scrape the strawberry jam that used to be their loved ones out from under collapsed buildings, without benefit of food, water, medicine, or heavy equippment don't give a flying fuck about what you want.

[Fleshdancer]

17. You know what? Obama shouldn't have to ask.

For some ridiculous reason, there are Americans out there who still like W and he has the ability to reach those idiots and ask for help with VERY little effort on his part. Does it occur to him to do so? It doesn't seem like it if the current President has to call him out.

[ShortnFiery]

20. That's the point. He shouldn't be called out because his tenure only oversaw DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

President Obama NOW gives " Dubya and his criminal crew" clout that they do not deserve.

It really makes one pause and wonder WHAT the former Administration has over President Obama?

There's no way to spin this act as "a positive." :grr:

[SpiralHawk]

19. "But I'm on vacation. As usual. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[City Lights]

22. "Now watch this drive."

:puke:

[alsame]

21. If it means more donations and help for the people, then it's a good

move. Maybe some deep GOP pockets will be tapped now.

[ShortnFiery]

25. Do you honestly believe people who are invested in the MIC - DEATH industry will give anything

to the poor and disenfranchized?

THOSE are the people dubya represents - the "I've got mine" and "Screw you" crowd.

I'm disgusted that Obama NOW doesn't give a damn that him and the last Administration are all "kindred spirits."

Come 2012, they'll be out of a job - then, just maybe Obama and RahmBo will realize that they were NEVER really part of "the club." :puke:

[alsame]

26. I think they may give $ and help so as not to embarass W and his 'legacy'. I don't

think they give a damn about the people, any people.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Ask Poppy to it instead .... ignore Jr. ...... that's as good as a verbal "fuck you".

[NNN0LHI]

28. Put a person personally responsible for killing hundreds of thousands in charge of saving people?

This can't be real?

Don

[Puglover]

29. What's next?

Liz and Dick Cheney handing out bottled water? Like someone said upthread if it helps one person it's worth it however I can't imagine that smirking sociopath doing anything positive.

[Sherman A1]

31. I think it a very shrewd move on the part of the President

on many levels.

[surrealAmerican]

43. ... as do I.

It'll be interesting to see how W tries to weasel out of it.

[MrsBrady]

53. Bush has probably been on a bender

and they are trying to give him something to do so that he'll have to stay sober for more than 5 minutes.

just my guess. :beer:;-)

[dalaigh lllama]

48. I agree. It points out the obvious

Why didn't self-proclaimed Christian W volunteer himself? And the next question is, will W bestir himself to actually do something?

[Iggo]

88. Hmm...win-win? You may have a point there.

Smirk surprises everyone and does what is asked of him and actually helps? Win.

Smirk does what's expected and is shown yet again to be lazy and a coward? Win.

[ima_sinnic]

35. but he'd never ask someone like Howard Dean, who's actually a DOCTOR & has

a huge base of support, to do anything with him.

no, better to kiss up to repukes, war criminal repukes at that, than try to work with progressives.
Just think what Howard Dean could organize, and what an Obama/Dean coalition, the "centrists" and the real humanitarians/progressives, could accomplish.

No, better to use a massive tragedy the way bush would, for political brownie points.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. +1

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

38. +1

[AzDar]

41. +1

[GoCubsGo]

42. Do you think he has to ask Dr. Dean?

You don't think Dr. Dean would offer his help on his own?

[ima_sinnic]

75. extending the gesture of including Dr. Dean would be fabulous

the rahmbaggers and Clintons have alienated real progressives by their constant snubbing of Howard Dean, whose work as DNC chair ensured Obama's victory.

we wanted "change," not more Clinton/Bush schmoozing.

[lostnfound]

44. You've got a point. And I remember Barbara's famous quote

from the arena in Houston, to the effect that 'these people (Katrina survivors) have never had it so good'..

[Bragi]

46. Quite so /nt

[MissDeeds]

57. Exactly

You nailed it.

[xiamiam]

60. good point..lots of 'whys' surrounding this move...nt

[NJmaverick]

61. So you will not help the people of Haiti unless Dean tells you to???

what you fail to comprehend is that Bush can push people to help, that a Democrat simply can not.

[xiamiam]

64. not at all what she posted..we'll see about bush mobilizing people

although i'm not going to hold my breath...didn't we already see how effective he was in mobilizing during katrina?

[ima_sinnic]

69. I would insult you back, but I've decided you simply can't help it, it's part of your makeup.

the only thing bush ever "pushed" anyone to do was to kill people.
Notice how bush got people to rally around "helping" the people of New Orleans.

the EXAMPLE set by Obama + Dean would be stunning--it would show what DEMOCRATS are really about.

[NJmaverick]

72. People are dying. You need to put your political agenda aside

to help save them

[ima_sinnic]

78. bush is not going to "save" anybody unless there's something in it for him

you don't see the clinton/bush thing as "political"?
oh, it appears all "neutral" and "nonpartisan," but the political calculus has been figured.
and it restores some semblance of humanity to bush, as though he really did care about anybody, and as though we should just forget about what he did to this country, what he did to the world, and how he is a massive war criminal and traitor who should be hung from a gallows.

[Hannah Bell]

103. +1

[Raineyb]

108. That is not what was said and if that's what you got from the post

then you're a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for.

[WI_DEM]

67. Some people will find anything to attack Obama on--this is stupid.

[harun]

80. +1

[CBR]

82. This is not about Obama, Bush or Dean. nt

[ecstatic]

110. delete

delete

[Vinca]

40. He's asking Dubya? OMFG.

And to think, on another thread, I was about to praise Shrub for generally keeping his mouth shut and staying away from the cameras.

[Brewman_Jax]

45. Really?

I doubt he can reach w., he's on vacation--as usual. :eyes:

Didn't w.'s poor response for Hurricane Katrina prove that he's not qualified? Why would you want someone that isn't qualified to stock shelves unsupervised to do something this big?

[jmowreader]

95. Because he's capable of raising a shitload of money, that's why

Bush is good at exactly one thing: fundraising. I think Obama realizes this. If we give Dubya an Air Force Gulfstream and free reign to go out and raise money for the relief effort, he'll get a lot of it.

[smoogatz]

47. Haiti IS cursed.

Lordy.

[Tailormyst]

52. If he can pull more money for Haiti from the RW then GOOD

The people of Haiti need food and shelter and they don't give two shits which political party the aid comes from.

[lpbk2713]

55. Because Shit-for-Brains is so good at dealing with natural disasters.

Riiight.


He'll bring his guitar along to entertain the victims. Maybe even share some cake with them.

[Arkansas Granny]

56. I'm sure that Republicans were appalled when Bush Sr. and Clinton were

paired up to work on aid after the tsunami. The fact is, using former presidents in an aid effort like this really gives it some clout.

[NJmaverick]

59. This thread is a monument of hate trumping compassion

The people of Haiti need help. For as horrible a person Bush may be, his presense will ensure the relief efforts are bipartisan. These poor people need as much help as we can give and Bush will be able to nudge some republicans to help.

It's shameful that so many of you are nothing but rage and no longer have any compassion left.

[CBR]

66. I agree with you. nt

[Tailormyst]

71. I think this is the first time I have agreed with you

They need medical, food and shelter just to live and it doesn't matter where that help comes from.

People need to put aside politics in times like this.

[Raineyb]

109. Bush doesn't help anyone unless he or someone he knows can make money off of it

How exactly does having Bush pretend to raise money for Haiti change that? Better to get someone who will ACTUALLY help. But no you're too busy finding someone to bash while ignoring history. Typical.

[blm]

62. I expected W's good "Dem" pals would ask Obama to do this, same as they rehabbed Bush1's

image.

I will give Clinton his due - HE is great at mobilizing emergency responses, and that is really his greatest strength and probably comes more naturally to him to DO that type of good. It's his willingness to cooperate with Poppy Bush and his pals that ruined any other good Clinton could have achieved as president.

But....he's good at humanitarian efforts that require emergency response. Great at it. It's Clinton at his best as a person and as a leader.

Too bad W has to be given a role to rehab his 'image' to the world. No one really believes the dictatortot cares about the Haitian people or their misery.

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[Blue_Tires]

65. ugh...i understand the rationale, but

Obama is doing more to help rehab the GOP image than they are...

[Jennicut]

68. Obama can get Bush to squeeze some money out of his rich buddies.

It is the least W. can do.

[Beacool]

70. Can't we just put petty politics aside for this one?

Like Hillary said, it's a disaster of biblical proportions. There's a need for all hands on deck for this one. Jr. still has plenty of clout within Republican circles and can help Bill in raising funds, which is what they need the most right now. They need the money to buy essential supplies.

Geez.......

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

74. +1

[CBR]

76. +1 nt

[Tailormyst]

81. People need to put politics aside here

They need food, shelter and medical care and frankly, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Clearly, many people on this thread have gone over the edge. Being a democrat is about compassion and caring for those in need. It's not a sporting event.

[Beacool]

83. I don't get it, it's just plain crazy.

It's just like all the bitching done by both the right and the left when W asked his dad and Bill to team up to aid the tsunami victims. If there's a global tragedy, I would team up with Satan himself if he could provide help.

There's a real world out there and real need, it's not all about donkeys and elephants fighting over ideology and power.

:crazy:

[Tailormyst]

84. I agree with you completely.

[riverdale]

85. notice obama can never put politics aside enough

to work with progressives

[Tailormyst]

87. This isn't about Obama or Progressives or Democrats or Republicanss

This is about 3 million people wandering about in rubble that need to eat. Bodies need to be buried before they cause illness, people need medical help for injuries.

Try putting politics aside for a few minutes and realize those are people and they need help from the whole world right now.

These are peoples lives and not some fucking sporting event.

[Beacool]

96. Maybe so, but there's a time and place for everything.

And this is not one of them........

;-)

[DevonRex]

89. If anybody can shame a Puke to donate to Haiti, it's W.

The people of Haiti don't care where the money's coming from. They just need the help. Thank you Beacool.

[Beacool]

97. Exactly!!!

Sometimes I think that we forget that we are Americans first. BTW, there are plenty of conservative churches and other entities that have mobilized to send aid too. For example, FOX sent a medical team headed by their medical correspondent (some OB/GYN).

:-)

[DevonRex]

98. That's really good news. And who knows? Maybe some hearts will

be softened and even some minds changed through working together to actually help people. Let's face it, we're all dreamers here. And we must recognize when some of those dreams become reality, even if for a short time.

[Beacool]

99. Let's hope so!!

:hug:

[sufrommich]

94. Yep. nt

[bullwinkle428]

73. Smirk will find a way to fuck it up - I guaran-fucking-tee it!

[Mari333]

79. he should be in jail. period.

[Iggo]

86. Get to work, emmer-effer.

[Matariki]

91. are you sure it wasn't HW?

didn't Clinton and HWBush work together on the tsunami relief?

[Individualist]

92. The asshole should be imprisoned, not given photo ops.

[Mopar151]

100. Laura has been calling Michelle twice a week....

"Throw him a bone! Send him somewhere! Isn't there a funeral he can go to? Get him the hell out of the house!":sarcasm: Send him to the Gulf to shake down the shieks, I don't care - just get him out from under my feet so I can get a couple rooms painted and find where he hid the booze

[upi402]

101. sure, why not ask Pat Robberson to assist too? n/t

[lpbk2713]

102. I've got it ! ... (Snap!)

They'll go to Haiti and get Shit-for-Brains to go into a damaged building for a photo-op
(he always loved photo-ops taken in the aftermath of natural disasters).






And then, tragically, the building collapses on Shit-for-Brains. Instant justice.