Ignoring the obvious (something so many here are excellent at)

[DainBramaged]

The coverage of the catastrophe in Haiti has NOT been good as expected (nor I feel the monetary commitments by too may segments of the upper class). MSNBC and NBC virtually ignored it initially. There was NONE while I was watching cable this morning. And the money just isn't flowing like it's needed. The Yankees have committed I think $5 million, but why hasn't MLB followed suit.


My point remains, if this were an island of mostly White people, the response and coverage would be wall to wall. One lost white girl or a police chase of a carjacker gets better coverage.

[Lerkfish]

1. watch out, someone will be along soon to attack you....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7462200&mesg_id=7462200

[DainBramaged]

17. It's par for the course here, but that's GD

:hi:

[stray cat]

2. What percentage of your income have you contributed and how fast did you send it?

or would you have sent more if they were white?

[DrDan]

3. I think you are wrong . . . CNN has had "wall-to-wall" coverage

they have folks on the ground reporting.

I think your assumption is off-base.

[MineralMan]

10. I watched the news this morning. It was non-stop coverage

of Haiti. Same last night.

I'm not sure what the OP was watching. Maybe he'll tell us.

[DrDan]

22. coverage pre-empted Jeopardy last night - ABC

[SidDithers]

58. Perhaps he's watching Nancy Grace?...nt

Sid

[NashVegas]

4. The Headlines of My Local Paper Were All About the Vols Coach Leaving

And the possibility we may get World Cup.

Above the fold.

[MineralMan]

12. What paper was that, please?

I'll go have a look.

[NashVegas]

27. The Tennessean

It was still the top story on their website, as of today.

[MineralMan]

33. Shame on them, then.

That said, they also had coverage of Haiti right there on the website, too. I can't see the actual physical paper, so I don't know how extensive that was.

[countingbluecars]

5. You say that the money just isn't flowing

like it's needed. What are your sources for this information?

[atreides1]

6. The Yankees must have dug deeper.

I guess the Yankees must have raised their donation, this morning it was reported that they had committed $500K and that Lance Armstrong had committed $250K.

[HopeHoops]

7. OOH! OOOH! Don't forget O.J.'s "low speed" chase scene!

Now THERE was some action for you!

[MineralMan]

8. Didn't you start another thread on this topic?

Was that not enough?

[CTD]

19. It got locked.

So time for another "white conspiracy against black people" thread.

[MineralMan]

20. OIC. Oh, well...

I guess if a thread gets locked, the thing to do is start up another one on the same subject. I did not know that.

[sudopod]

46. Jesus on a pogo stick

of all the things to get defensive about. Clearly the media loves to highlight the plight of grief-stricken people of African extraction. I mean, that's all that's ever on...wait...I'm being told that's not true at all.

[Lerkfish]

9. see? I told you the attacks would be along quickly

and, as predicted.

[DainBramaged]

21. And by the same tired clowns as before, no debate just attacks

they like being the center of attention.

[MineralMan]

24. What cable news programs were you watching that did not cover

the story in Haiti? Must be different ones than I watched.

[Rebubula]

23. LOL....

...you are still all butthurt over people challenging you on your assertion that the media is only talking to white, blond people.

How is that martyr thing working out for you?

[MineralMan]

29. Really. Our local news (ABC affiliate) spent a long time

interviewing a local Haitian man whose family is in Port au Prince. It was heartbreaking. He hadn't slept since the quake in his attempt to find out if they had survived. The rest of the local news was also about Haiti, with some network stuff and local stories about people with direct connections to Haiti, including some groups who were sending aid to Haiti. The only story about a white person was the one about the American husband who dug his wife out of the rubble. She was a relief worker.

Something must be wrong with the OP's television reception.

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[snooper2]

68. are you still mad...

that folks didn't fall for your "they are only showing white girls" thread? Or did you really end up putting me on ignore :P

[closeupready]

11. Okay, so let's say you're correct - what do you want us to do about it?

??

[Lance_Boyle]

16. REPENT for not owning your own 24-hour news station to program as the OP sees fit.

REPENT for your whiteness, if applicable.

Oh, and buy American.

[sudopod]

50. Can't we just commiserate about how shitty the media is?

You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you, don't you?

[DainBramaged]

70. Do you have a problem in buying American?

Or buying Union made products? Or supporting Unions???


I think you do, and as usual, just want to stir up shit.

[KittyWampus]

13. Fact- Only CNN has real news gathering structure intact to handle this. My local news channels ALL

featured Haitian-Americans desperate to find out about loved ones at home.

FOX and MSNBC are nothing but talking heads with no real infrastructure to cover this.

As it is, they are largely dependent on news feeds from outside sources.

[cali]

14. Unrecced. just because I find it satisfying. and I can.

[CTD]

15. Why are you hell bent on finding racism in our gov't response to this?

Sure, the right-wingers are responding in typically racist fashion. No surprise there. But to suggest that the media isn't covering this as it might otherwise or to suggest that people aren't donating as they might otherwise is not based in any facts that we can possibly know at this time.

I am hearing reports on the rapid large sums the Red Cross is raising. And it sure seems like people are pretty focused on the tragedy.

So please quit trying to make the "facts" fit your predetermined conclusion. That's something Republicans do.

[Warpy]

18. I think Olberman's show was in the can by the time it aired

just after the quake. That's the reason for the lapse there. MSNBC isn't CNN. They don't have the infrastructure to jump on stories worldwide. Although bad management at CNN has tried to turn it into a pallid Pox News, they have maintained the international news infrastructure.

It would be nice if charities would keep a running tally of donations received versus donations needed, though. That would tell more of the story.

Most of the Indian Ocean basin is inhabited by brown and black people, yet I remember there was a worldwide outpouring of charity for them. I think you are off the mark about Haiti. I hope you are off the mark about Haiti.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. I noticed you've moved the goal posts.

You earlier were arguing that Haiti isn't getting proper relief because they're black, now you're arguing their not getting proper media coverage.

[Xenotime]

30. Sounds like one in the same argument to mee.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. There's a difference between cable news and actual relief efforts.

Notice: sitting around on ones ass all day watching Anderson Cooper does not actually help anything.

[DainBramaged]

26. Today's newspaper front pages from around the country

http://www.newseum.org/TodaysFrontPages/


decide for yourself

[cali]

35. uh, that does anything but support YOU. Virtually all of those papers have

Haiti as front page above the fold. What is wrong with you? Never mind. Not that interested.

[DainBramaged]

38. Why don't you go bother the termite guy or mailman, you really are tedious

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[MineralMan]

42. Yah, I just looked at that.

Some small-town, Southern papers weren't doing much coverage. Every prominent newspaper, however, had banner headlines and photos above the fold. Not a white face in any of those photos.

What the Florence, AL Times Daily covers doesn't seem to represent the coverage in real papers. I wonder how many of those front pages you looked at. I really do. The bulk of the papers covered the Haiti disaster as the lead story, or at least on the front page.

You provide a link. We see what's there. It seems you did not. Here's the San Jose, CA Mercury News:

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[chowder66]

44. Most are covering Haiti on the front page.

Click on the top 10 for quick access. I clicked through about 30 in the List form and most covered Haiti in one way or another.

[likesmountains 52]

49. My local paper gave it front page coverage, as did most of the papers

in your link..
http://www.durangoherald.com/sections/News/

[snooper2]

73. Here's the Dallas Morning News for you....

[Rebubula]

28. Let's see...

..Top headline on CNN.com, MSNBC, Rueters, BBC, NBC and ABC all have Haiti as the top story. Watching CNN last night, it was wall to wall coverage.

Your outrage is noted, but dismissed. Stir up racism somewhere else.

[gateley]

31. CNN is doing a good job, MSNBC was late to the party. I see your point, but

I'd add 'Christian' to the mix.

Although I do feel an enormous effort is being made, and the outpouring is impressive. It seems to have touched a lot of people -- regardless of color.

[DainBramaged]

36. Fox really doesn't give a shit about this, and they are the number one cable network

in case a few folks here don't get that point.


The Right wing is basically ignoring this tragedy. And all of the purer than thou folks here who think their opinion counts are fooling themselves. In the end, the people in DC will make sure that Haiti only gets what it needs to survive, unless of course there is something in it for them, like rebuilding the country, privatizing everything.

[MineralMan]

54. You watch Fox for your news? Now I understand...

[DainBramaged]

76. you really wish you could contribute in a meaningful way, don't you?

:eyes:

[gateley]

56. I'm guessing those who tune in to Fox wouldn't be reaching into their

pockets anyway. :shrug:

History would prove you right in that we (U.S.) don't give unless we get. Sad.

[Zix]

37. Apt username.

[DainBramaged]

39. (sigh) thanks go use a farm implement on yourself

[sudopod]

53. Moar like Dix.

Just one isn't descriptive enough to do you justice.

[winyanstaz]

43. why all the unrecs?

You have got to be one heartless uncaring sorry ass to unrec this. I guess the truth hurts.

[Rebubula]

57. OK...

...what truth do you speak of?

The one about no media coverage? Lack of response? Oh...right...because those are NOT truths. Just hope that you can have something to bitch about and pile blame on someone.

I proudly unrec'd this silly diatribe. If only I could unrec individual posts.

[winyanstaz]

65. Yes you probably would....

and never realize that even a post like this one serves to bring attention to whats going on in Haiti..and that some of our news is NOT covering the news (not just Haiti) like they should and could.....and so in ignorance you would bury it.

[Rebubula]

71. Lying...

...does not serve a good cause. Exaggerating to make a point diminishes the point.

I have donated what I can to Doctors without Borders. How about you?

You need to be able to back up a claim of world wide, organized racism if you wish to make one.

[winyanstaz]

83. So where exactly in my post did I say there was world wide organized racism?

talk about lying or perhaps you just exaggerated a bit?
I am saying the news could do more and some like Fox are not even trying.
You on the other hand are justifying burying a story that could help Haiti and put a spotlight on the media not doing its job as good as it should.
If you are just having a bad day I wish you a better one.
In the meantime...go rag on someone else. Thanks

[Rebubula]

86. OK...

...let's start at the beginning....

"You on the other hand are justifying burying a story that could help Haiti and put a spotlight on the media not doing its job as good as it should."

I am countering that the media IS doing its job and the coverage is wall to wall and the world is responding. I am not sure what more the news could do other than report and give information on how to help Haiti - which they are doing quite well.

My point about lying is that the OP is making shit up about this (or ignoring to further a cause). I UNRECd because I thought the OP disingenuous. You seemed to sign on and imply that exaggerating a problem is OK if it gets the attention needed. I disagree.


As for the claim of racism...I was referring to the OPs suggestion that racism is causing no one to pay attention which I contend is false. So, I stand corrected that you had espoused that idea.

[winyanstaz]

90. thank you....

and to clairify my own feelings on the matter is...Fox news is NOT and many people do watch fox news (I don't but some of my family still does) and so we have to bring that out by talking about who is covering and who is not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. The obvious that you are missing is that there is a supply

train going...

And not JUST from the United States.

[DainBramaged]

47. Not the point my friend

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. You are angry that there is no coverage

well I woke up to MSNBC wall to wall coverage of the quake, and I went to bed with their wall to wall coverage

Listening to Hartmann right now, and what is he doing? Wall to wall coverage of Haiti as well.

So I really do not get your complaints.

[MineralMan]

59. He mentioned Fox. I guess that's the news station he watches.

I have no idea about their coverage. It's blocked on my TeeVee.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. I have Fox on for my dad

no he is not a rightie, English is his what ninth language? He gets the political bend, but as he puts it, he understands them better and can get at least an idea of things.

Yes idiot news, but CNN and MSNBC are a little too complex at times.

He lives in Mexico and he watches CNN-I as well as BBC, Deutche Welle and the excellent Mexican News Media.

[winyanstaz]

84. I dont watch fox, but many in my family do...and so do a lot of other Americans...

We need to be forcing Fox to do its job or get off the dang airwaves.

[MineralMan]

85. Actually, our Constitution would oppose that.

The answer is to deny them viewership and bankrupt them. As long as they have the money, they have the right to free speech, just like we all do. Deny them their money and they'll disappear.

[DireStrike]

87. They aren't there to make money.

That they have been for a while is a happy side effect for their owners. The point is to catapult the propaganda. I'm sure they'd gladly operate at a loss for years.

[winyanstaz]

89. I admit that you are correct...but one of the ways to make that happen

Is to see that their lack of coverage IS talked about.

[Rebubula]

51. Seems to me...

...that some people are HOPING for the media to ignore this epic tragedy and LOOKING for ways to compare it to the Katrina response for whatever reason.

From what I have seen, the media is all over this (some were bitching that the media was not on this story right after it happened - hard to get news out when there is no power, thousands are dead and trapped and night has fallen) and dozens of countries, private groups and individuals have sent aid, people and supplies to the city.

I do not disagree that there is a disparity in media coverage in this country when talking about missing white girls. This will transcend and no one (other than assholes that follow Pat Robertson) will see this as a 'black' or 'white' thing. This is a human tragedy and the OVERWHELMING majority of humans will see it as such.

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[EFerrari]

60. There is good reporting by the indies -- Amy, Laura Flanders

Thom. Our effed up corporate media isn't going to have an epiphany overnight.

[LynneSin]

61. Wrong side of the island. Which is pretty much the attitude too many have taken

If this happened in the Dominician Republic, a favorite tourist destination and favorite of conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, we'd be all over this like flies on shit.

Haiti serves no purpose to the United States (in the opinion of many). They are poor, they have an unstable government and there isn't any tourism established.

I hate the mentality that some have towards countries like Haiti. When I ask "What Would Jesus Do?" well he would have been there on the first plane to Haiti helping out wherever he could. I can't fly to Haiti but I will donate what I can.

[DainBramaged]

63. Thank you, too many here think that help for them is a given

and too many here want to stifle voices who want the horror out front glazed over like donuts.

[cali]

64. This is fucking ridiculous. We are all over it. The coverage is wall to wall

The president's response is swift, decisive and and BIG. Americans and others around the world have3 been pouring money into the ICRC and dozens of other charities. Fire fighting and rescue teams from Europe, SA, the US and China have responded. Many people with expertise are on planes headed toward Haiti.

I call bullshit.

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[LynneSin]

67. Perhaps I should clarify it

I think our president has done a better job than the last administration. But I feel the country, as a whole, as the opinion that Haiti isn't worth the bother to help. Mind you that is coming more from some media networks and of course conservative nutjobs.

[Rebubula]

72. There is your problem

"But I feel the country, as a whole, as the opinion that Haiti isn't worth the bother to help. Mind you that is coming more from some media networks and of course conservative nutjobs."

You are basing your opinion of the mindset of 300 million people based on some media reports.

[SidDithers]

69. +1. And your sig is entirely appropriate for threads like this...nt

Edit: threads not posts

Sid

[DainBramaged]

77. Oh Canada, that's your excuse

time for the big red X goodbye.

[SidDithers]

81. Again?...

A bit xenophobic, are you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5285872&mesg_id=5311895

Sid

[Forkboy]

91. Not cool.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Are you also watching FOX SNOOZE?

Serious... change the channel.

[DainBramaged]

75. My roommate had it on this morning, and it's on here at work.

Not all I base my op on. Coverage has been insufficient by the major networks. And I'm sorry, but too many peole here have the Huffington Post mentality. Tits and movies stars, a little bit of reality, and then onto bashing the poor for drinking soda.

[MineralMan]

78. When did you watch the major networks? It's been wall-to-wall

Haiti disaster coverage on them. The only network you've mention having watched is Fox. Why?

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Then I have missed the tits on the wall to wall coverage

Is analysis lacking of why things are the way they are in Haiti? Yes.

Is anybody else in the world, in the media I have scanned talked about globalization and Haiti? NO

So who else do you want to excoriate for not doing analysis? CBC? Diario Reforma? El Universal?

[MineralMan]

82. Me, too, and boy have I looked for it. I could use

a perk-up. :evilgrin:

[LynneSin]

88. OMG hell no!

not even sure what channel Faux News is on my TV.

[uppityperson]

92. Front pages of newspapers show lots. Too bad you had to bash in OP subject line

I don't watch tv news so can't comment on them. Here is a link to "todays front pages" website that shows lots of coverage:
http://www.newseum.org/TodaysFrontPages/


I unrecced because you did a broad bashing of Duers in your subject line. If you'd have stuck with "coverage isn't as good as I expected", I'd have rec'd