CNN Poll: 61% Prefer House's tax on rich. Only 29% favor Senate's tax on insurance plans!

[Better Believe It]

- THE PUBLIC BE DAMNED! -



Poll: Most prefer House's tax on rich over Senate's high-end policies
January 14, 2010

Washington (CNN) -- As House and Senate Democrats try to merge two separate health care reform bills, a new national poll suggests that when it comes to paying for the legislation, Americans favor provisions in the House bill over those in the Senate version.

According to the poll, 61 percent of the public favor the House provision, which taxes people with high incomes regardless of the kind of health insurance they have. Twenty-nine percent favor the Senate provision, which raises taxes on high-quality health insurance plans, regardless of the amount of money made by the people covered by those plans.

"A tax on the wealthy is obviously most popular with lower-income Americans, but it is also the preference of people making $100,000 a year or more," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Fifty percent of people in that income level prefer a tax on higher-income Americans to a tax on high-quality health care plans. Thirty-six percent of them prefer the tax on insurance plans rather than the income-based tax."

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted January 8-10, with 1,021 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/14/health.care.poll/

[Greyhound]

1. ..

[quiet.american]

2. K&R. Wonder what percentage actually understand the Senate tax plan.

I know I don't quite get it, even though I've read a few summaries and white papers.

However, the overwhelming public perception is that the Senate tax plan is a time-bomb for the middle-class - so, I would have to put myself in the House camp, where it's much simpler to understand the implications of their tax plan.

[Better Believe It]

6. If everyone did understand it I bet less than 10% would support the Senate tax plan

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. We must protect the lower classes from the ravages of class warfare

[inna]

4. KR

Why aren't our (supposedly) "representatives" listening to us??

[DisgustedInMN]

28. They are..

.. they just don't care to do the right thing, when taking "campaign contributions: (aka: BRIBES) from corporations pays so much better.

[bvar22]

5. LESS than 35% of ALL Americans....

...support Mandates w/o a Public Option.


So WHO does our "Democratic Majority" in the Senate really work for?

[no limit]

36. Whoever Joe Lieberman works for

because in our fucked up system they need his vote.

[cark]

7. Big suprise - make someone else pay!

More people want someone else (rich) to pay for their HC.

[Better Believe It]

11. The really rich pay little or no taxes. It's only fair. Tax them, not just working people!

[Hello_Kitty]

18. Yeah, I do. I've paid enough for their goddamn tax cuts and their goddamn wars

And their goddamn bailouts and their goddamn socialize-their-risk.

You bet your sweet ass I want them to pay for something. For once.

[laughingliberal]

21. Considering the rich have consistently seen their taxes cut over 3 decades while

those of lower incomes continue to pay St. Ronnie's payroll tax increase, hell yeah, we want to see them pay their fair share. Or shall we all just keep carrying them on our backs til there's nothing left of us?There's your 'welfare queens.'

[Zhade]

25. Some of us want the homeless to eat the rich. They should consider themselves fucking lucky.

NT!

[Land Shark]

35. Big surprise, wealthy also say "make us pay" (did you note that?) n/t

[Better Today]

8. If only we had a representative government, this would matter.

[upi402]

9. eliminate loopholes, tax profits

maybe tax second homes and vacation property. a house is not a luxury in cold weather!
CNN is garbage.

[Enthusiast]

19. I'll vote for you!

And you're correct-CNN is garbage.

[Schema Thing]

10. Well we're gonna get some of both.

and that's a good thing.

[FiveGoodMen]

12. So we know which one we'll be getting

[grytpype]

13. Hey, great, who are the 60 votes in the Senate for your ideal bill?

If you haven't learned this by now, if there aren't 60 votes in the Senate for it, it doesn't happen.

You can cry and scream about it if you want.

[Better Believe It]

15. As has been pointed out many times, we only need 51 Senate votes to pass a bill

Oh .... you think the Republicans might engage in an actual filibuster against a decent bill?

Does the thought of an actual Republican filibuster make you tremble in absolute fear?

Let's test that theory.

What have the Republicans been forced to filibuster this year. Did you witness those filibusters on C-Span? When, where and how long.

Unless you're thinking of the bogus filibusters .... the ones where Democratic leaders permit a Republican Senator to merely file a written notice claiming they are filibustering while they leave for dinner at some 5 star restaurant.

Senate Reid has the power to force the Republicans to engage in a real filibuster on the Senate floor and he can always use the Constitutional Option to stop a Republican filibuster dead in its tracks.

And Democratic Senate leadership can stop the "two track procedure" in the Senate which enables to Senator to discuss legislation on a different matter during a bogus phantom filibuster!

But, ignore all of that. People will continue to whine and make lame excuses for Democratic failures to lead in the Senate.

[grytpype]

16. You libs have a thousands ways to score a Noble Failure on HCR

and zero ways to actually pass a bill.

I gotta go with the pragmatists who will actually deliver something.

Obama doesn't do Noble Failure, which is a good reason to support him.

[Better Believe It]

17. So you can deliver a health insurance industry/big Pharma bill that most people oppose

Well, if your working for Wall Street and corporate America you might be right.

After all, they have given hundreds of millions of dollars to their political whores in Congress.

They get things done!

None of it any good but that's besides the point.

However, they may not be able to buy off enough Democrats to get this baby passed.

We'll soon see.

[laughingliberal]

22. "you libs?"

Was happy to see Obama support the House version of the exchange which makes it national. And the compromise on the excise tax was an improvement, although I'd have preferred they ditched. Hoping some of the more progressive models from the House made it in. We'll see. When a bill is this bad, inches can count.

[Zhade]

26. Oooooooooooooooh, you're a CON. Now it makes sense.

NT!

[DisgustedInMN]

30. Glenn Beck,

...is that you?

[dionysus]

32. the one whining is thou....

[grahamhgreen]

39. The senators will cave under the pressure if the bill comes back with as the house version.

They will be fools not to go along with what comes out of committee.

And if it fails, we are better off expanding Medicare in reconciliation.

[leftstreet]

14. Oops n/t

[newtothegame]

20. Why not a tax on everybody? We're all gonnna use it. n/t

[laughingliberal]

23. Everyone won't use it. There will be those who still can't afford it and will have a hardship waiver

Only way to do univeral care is single payer.

[grahamhgreen]

40. I'm not, I'm happy with Kaiser. Although I'd take a PO in a heartbeat.

[Vidar]

24. Too bad Obama & his Blue Dog allies choose not to represent the people.

[Mithreal]

27. Make them feel what the people want matters

[donco6]

29. Rats.

Now it's definite that they'll tax the benefits.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

31. Obama campaigned and won by saying he would finance healthcare by getting rid of the Bush tax cuts

as well as making a public option a lynchpin of his his healthcare plan as well as drug negotiation and importation. He also pilloried Hillary for mandates. I heard him and so did everyone else in the country. He won and we gave him historic majorities to do what he ran on.

But now we have taxes on insurance, no public option, no drug negotiation or importation and mandates to boot. Plus so far we still have annual limits(only defined by the HHS Sec), rescission is still in there under essentially the same terms it always was (fraud and misrepresentation) and we still have age bias for premium costs and prior condition exclusions for adults retained for years, plus there is absolutely nothing that will bend costs downward (no the Medical Loss Ratio will not do that. In addition to that, premiums, co-pays and deductables will still eat up 17-24% of middleclass income AFTER reform.

And people wonder why we're pissed?

[Better Believe It]

33. And for an encore we'll have Social Security cuts and even deeper Medicare cuts!

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

34. That is where people will get into the streets. nt.

[Captain Hilts]

37. Our House of Lords can't be trusted on this issue. nt

[grahamhgreen]

38. ANY tax for a bill without a PO means that they are allowing PRIVATE CORPORATIONS to tax us.