All Bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House Of

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Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. How is it the Senate along with the President are dictating how the HCR Bill is being financed when only the House of Representatives has the power for raising the revenue?

[Posteritatis]

1. Because both houses have to pass the thing in the end anyway. (nt)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. Because of the second half of that sentence. n/t

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3. It just says they can propose or concur not set the

agenda, the House can tell them to F--- off. Why didn't the President put his weight behind the House instead of the Senate after all the House represents the will of the people. In the Senate we have one or two people dictating policy.

[pnwmom]

5. Because both houses have to approve it in the end, and the Senate

requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. You are inventing nonsense terminology.

but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

So the Senate is within its rights to propose amendments, and those amendments can and will impact spending (obviously.) "Setting the agenda" is not a constitutional or legal term as far as I am aware, and furthermore it makes no sense whatsoever to allow the Senate to propose amendments if they are not actionable in some meaningful way.

I'm not going to address your vague complaints about Obama because they're not relevant to the above.

[sandnsea]

4. So the House does have to write the bill

The President really can't ram it down their throat. I'll be damned.

[pnwmom]

6. Not really. There is a negotiation process. Both Houses have to agree

on a final, compromise bill.

[sandnsea]

7. I know

This poster has repeatedly said Obama should either ram single payer down Congress throat, or that Obama has rammed corporate blabla down Congress throat, and the like. And now he wants to know why the Senate and White House have anything to do with the bill since it's supposed to come from the House. Which is exactly what we've told him all along. The House does originate the bill and then it goes to the Senate. Even if the House accepts the Senate bill as written, it still has to go through a House origination process.

[pnwmom]

8. Sorry I missed the sarcasm. Guess it was pretty obvious. n/t

[sandnsea]

9. I always think it is, but

I think I need to use the tag more often. I think people take me way too seriously when about half the time I'm just flippant and/or sarcastic.

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11. I have never said Obama should ram single payer down

Congress throat or that Obama has rammed corporate blabla down Congress throat. I am not saying the White House or the Senate shouldn't have anything to do with the bill either. What I am saying Obama campaigned against McCain's idea of taxing peoples health insurance and also said he wouldn't raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. Today you have the Senate that wants to tax the insurance and the House that wants to tax the people that make over $250,000. Now instead of backing the House version that is in line with all his campaign rhetoric, he does does a complete 180 and backs the Senate. If Obama would have been out in front leading the HCR fight instead of letting the Republicans and Joe Lieberman set the agenda maybe would have a much better bill. Show me where I ever said Obama should ram single payer down anyone's throat. "I know" you don't know what the f--- you talking about.