Should Tim and Rahm be held accountable?

[unkachuck]

Poll question: Should Tim and Rahm be held accountable?

....if we lose Teds' Senate seat....if you remember, the Good Doctor was actually building the Party....

[Captain Hilts]

1. Mass. is in line to feel the sting of the Cadillac Tax, so, blame that. nt

[WeDidIt]

2. If Teddy Kennedy's seat is lost, it's 100% the fault of the left wing of the party

No ifs, ands or buts. The Democratic PArty will have no choice but to shift to the right because it will prove the left cannot be counted on to turn out and you only win by getting the most votes, thus a shift to the right is called for.

Happens every time liberals decide to "punish the Democrats".

[Political Heretic]

6. Sorry, but that's not scay to me.

This old chestnut just doesn't have the selling power it used to.

It is true that if people stop voting for shitty democrats and demand dramatic transformation of this broken party it will most likely mean some difficult days - days where republicans win seats over shitty democrat corporate capitulation. And in the short run, there will be difficult times.

But that's what it takes to break this cycle. The alternative is to continue on in this increasingly oppressive, increasingly corrupt, increasingly exploitative system in which both parties play their role without end, or to finally find the courage to say ENOUGH. Even if fighing back means difficult days in pursuit of a more hopeful future.

Blame the "left" all you want. We're the only one's truly fighting.

[Marr]

7. That's hilarious. You guys usually wait until after the election to claim

that the DLC's losses are proof that the party needs to move to the right. Good for you-- making that asinine claim ahead of time takes some real stones.

[WeDidIt]

10. Dude, I'm just making an observation on how it goes

Dems lose an election and exit polls show not enough liberal Dems turned out.

Dem party strategists interpret these results and lower their reliability rating of the left wing, thus pushing all future candidates to the right.

Happens every time the self righteous left decides it's time to "punish the Dems, damnit!"

[Marr]

12. Yep, conservative Democratic "strategists" always do try to spin it that way.

They do argue that every conservative Democrat's loss is argument for moving the party to the right. It's reminiscent of right-wing claims like insurgencies are signs of political success, and surpluses/deficits are signs that taxes should be lowered on the rich. They will make that argument no matter *what*.

[WeDidIt]

14. And every time liberals decide to "punish the dems"

It only moves the Democratic party further to the right.

[bvar22]

24. So Liberals should vote FOR...

...people who work AGAINST our economic and social interests?

Thats some system you got there.



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[PassingFair]

23. Here's an "observation" that illustrates your DLC in action.

We DO show up to vote, but when the people are
NOT represented, we do NOT send money or volunteer
to coax the independents and low-info voters that
the cynical corporate dems and place-holders count on.

[girl gone mad]

9. Is it opposite day on DU?

Let's see..

Under the leadership of Dean, progressives take back Congress and the Presidency, with a huge mandate for change toward more populist policies.

In just 1 year under Emanuel's guidance, the party has abandoned the progressive roots, choosing instead to pursue an agenda of unlimited corporate bailouts, unending wars and a health care bill written by and for the insurance industry. As a result, our President's popularity has sunk at a record pace and we'll be lucky if we can keep the Senate.

But it's somehow all the left wing's fault. :rofl:

[WeDidIt]

11. It's truthful day on DU

Just saying what will happen if Coakley loses.

It's how the party ALWAYS interprets losses where the left wing doesn't turn out.

[peacebird]

17. LOL! Trust the DLC apologists to trot out *that* tired horse - it's all the fault of the left wing!!

Never mind that the DLC politicians actively vote AGAINST the Democratic bills and agenda in congress. No - pay no attention to their pathetic right wing records - if seats are lost it is ALL because of the evil libruls....

:eyes:

[dflprincess]

18. In that case, it would appear that Rahm and DLC are really slow learners

I suppose when the independents don't bother to show up either, they'll decide that they have no choice but to start appealing to the tea baggers.

God forbid they should look at their own actions and take some responsibility for the damage they've done.

[Fumesucker]

26. So it's not the fault of those who make policy or those who strategize..

It's the fault of liberals who don't like the policy that the Dems make.

Thanks for buying the right wing framing..

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. Sounds like the talking points are already written

Does that mean the DLC is fully on board with the electro-fraudification of this election then?
http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/st-lawrence-news/54-worldnational-news/10625-easily-hacked-voting-systems-to-be-used-in-ma-special-election-for-the-us-senate.html

Funny how they have NEVER been remotely interested in eliminating these fucking machines, isn't it?

(actually, considering the shady circumstances in the last 2 DIEBOLD counted New Hampshire presidential primaries, it's clearly not just passive compliance, is it?)

[donheld]

21. 100% idiotic

[Kansas Wyatt]

22. Why did you take your picture down RAHM?

You WANT the Democratic Party to move to the Right, to become MORE Republican.

Says a lot about you RAHM.

Don't worry RAHM, I won't tell anyone it's really you.

[IndianaGreen]

28. You know the German rightwingers blamed the Left for losing WWI

The DLC created this disaster by scuttling Single Payer and the public option, and now they are blaming the Left for their own stupidity.

[FrenchieCat]

3. The American people will be punished enough,

and the People of Massachussetts can blame themselves....

But I'm not buying into this self fulfilling prophecy,
and that makes you guilty as well, far as I'm concerned.

[BlueState]

4. Can we all calm down...

and wait until Wed. for the doom and gloom, if necessarry (and I predict it won't be).

[bvar22]

25. I believe that Coakley will win the seat,

but the FACT that this election is in question,
and the FACT that Obama and Clinton are rushing to Mass. in a blind PANIC
SHOULD serve warning to the "Centrist" Party leadership that passing Republican legislation WILL lead to a blood bath.

LESS than 35% of ALL American voters support Mandates without a Public Option.
What does the "Centrist"/Corporate Party Leadership THINK is going to happen when they FORCE this on America? :shrug:


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Political Heretic]

5. Oh I voted resign because of their horrible corporate cronyism... not Mass.

Guess I should have read carefully.

[Blue-Jay]

8. By that logic

If we retain Uncle Teddy's seat, should Tim & Rahm be congratulated?

[Touchdown]

13. No need. They'll take credit for anyway.

See "The Thumping" for 2006 history revised.

[gleaner]

15. I chose yes, both should resign ...

I gave you a rec too, but the unreccing crew has been by and you are still at less than zero. Here's a kick as well. People should have an opportunity to take the poll.

[WT Fuheck]

16. They suck.

Jeesh, who hired those losers?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. No, the voters in Mass. would deserve the blame.

[quiller4]

27. I did some Mass. phoning and picked up no sign of Tim or Rahm hate

but I did get quite a bit of hate directed toward Pelosi.