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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:17 AM
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If "the left" had a conversation with itself as a blogger suggests today, what would be said?
At Booman Tribune today there is a blog by him suggesting that if Coakley loses, there needs to be a debate. However there is not a suggestion of a debate except among the left.

A couple of quotes that concern me:

He mentions Armando's quotes:

More explicitly, Armando makes the point that it makes no sense to shout down the disaffected left, even if they are partly to blame. Let's think about that.

He's 100% right that the left does not need to hear a lecture from Rahm Emanuel, or any squishy Blue Dog/New Dem 'centrists' about how we're all a bunch a cry babies who are hurting the party. But what about people on the left talking to other people on the left? How about an internal debate on whether our tactics are working or not? Because, I don't think they're working, and a lot of what I've seen in the progressive blogosphere this year has been more effective at demoralizing and dividing the troops than it has been in persuading anyone not on the left to do what we want or advise.

If Coakley loses and this starts some soul-searching debate or circular firing squad, I think the real conversation needs to be the left talking to itself.


Well, I have an answer for that question. The progressive tactics are not working. Why? Because they don't need us right now. We do not have the power and the money to give them what they want.

Our importance comes only at election time...at other times it is considered that our posturing is "sound and fury signifying nothing".

May I suggest that conservative Democrats think about how we won the the 2006 and 2008 elections. I suggest they stop and think about what happens when you ignore your base except when it is time to go to the ballot box.

All the lectures feel meaningless sometimes.

What would be discussed in that conversation?

Would we talk about the way women's rights have been gradually abandoned to keep the religious groups on board, especially in the health care debate? Would we tell ourselves that women need to understand that we have to concede our rights for bipartisanship?

That is probably what we would be expected to say after all. These groups which use women as wedge issues are powerhouses of money and good media. There are really few media outlets and just a few bloggers who think it might be important to consider the health of the mother in debating the right to a late term abortion.

Would we be told that we are single issue folks, that we need to think of the common good? Probably.

Would those of us on "the left" who are concerned about the state of education in this country discuss among ourselves that the rush to turn public schools into charters run by private industry is necessary for the future of education? Probably.

The current Secretary of Education is offering big money to states and districts to close more public schools and open more charter schools....schools that are usually run by private corporations yet funded with public taxpayer money. AND not regulated by anyone.

As a retired teacher I would have a hard time having that conversation with myself. I believe America became a great country by providing a public education system. I believe that the demeaning of public education began under Reagan and has worked very well unfortunately.

In California Mr. Reagan had made political hay by heaping scorn on college students and their professors. As President his administration's repeatedly issued or encouraged uncommonly bitter denunciations of public education. William Bennett, the President's demagogic Secretary of Education, took the lead in this. He toured the nation making unprecedented and unprincipled attacks on most aspects of public education including teacher certification, teacher's unions and the "multi-layered, self-perpetuating, bureaucracy of administrators that weighs down most school systems." "The Blob" was what Bennett dismissively called them.

Three years into his first term Mr. Reagan's criticism of public education reached a crescendo when he hand picked a "blue ribbon" commission that wrote a remarkably critical and far-reaching denunciation of public education. Called "A Nation At Risk," this document charged that the US risked losing the economic competition among nations due to a "... rising tide of (educational) mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people." (The commissioners did not consider the possibility that US firms were uncompetitive because of corporate mismanagement, greed and short sightedness.)After "A Nation At Risk" the nation's public schools were fair game for every ambitious politician or self-important business boss in the country. Its publication prompted a flood of follow-up criticism of public education as "blue ribbon" and "high level" national commissions plus literally hundreds of state panels wrote a flood of reform reports. Most presupposed that the charges made by Mr. Reagan's handpicked panel were true. Oddly though, throughout this entire clamor, parental confidence in the school's their children attended remained remarkably high. Meanwhile Mr. Reagan was quietly halving federal aid to education.

That sums up Mr. Reagan's educational legacy. As governor and president he demagogically fanned discontent with public education, then made political hay of it. As governor and president he bashed educators and slashed education spending while professing to valued it. And as governor and president he left the nation's educators dispirited and demoralized.


I would have a very hard time talking to others on "the left" about the drive to privatize education by bribing the states with loads of money.

I wonder if we will discuss among ourselves the way the party leaders pick those who run. Will we discuss the very outrageous case of the DCCC not supporting the Ohio Secretary of State who fought so many tough election battles for us?

Bob Menendez, the head of the DSCC, is threatening to attack Jennifer Brunner if she is deemed to not have enough money in her primary against perennial loser Lee Fisher.

The DSCC has all but written her off, however, and the establishment has turned to Fisher. In fact, Brunner said when she spoke with DSCC Chair Bob Menendez in Sept., he first told her that he “didn’t want to see a Democratic candidate at the end of the primary with zero dollars,” and he followed up that his organization would go into the state to work against a candidate perceived as “being negative in the primary or not raising enough money.”

Brunner said she responded: “If you do that, the women of Ohio will never forgive you.” Menendez, she said, retorted: “I know you’re not scared of me, and I’m not scared of you.”


Menendez told her he was not "scared" of her? How childish.

I wonder if bloggers will start suggesting that "the right", the "conservadems" have a conversation with themselves?

I rather doubt it.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:28 AM
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1. So many left behind.... to please the wrong people....
Would we talk about the way women's rights have been gradually abandoned to keep the religious groups on board, especially in the health care debate? Would we tell ourselves that women need to understand that we have to concede our rights for bipartisanship?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:30 AM
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2. There are going to be two kinds of voters next week.
There's going to be the left, which votes for Coakley.

And then there's going to be the right, which either votes for Brown or stays home.

It's not the left that's the issue.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:50 AM
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3. But the issue of what to do with the left remains.
And what "the left" will discuss among themselves as they sort things out in their minds.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:43 AM
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11. What IYO will motivate the Left to come out?
I see the right as being far more motivated than the Left at this moment. It is possible that as the regular election draws near and we are inundated with campaign ads, we may find reason to become motivated once again. I believe Democrats have actually accomplished a lot more than people realize at the moment. Everyone is too caught up in negativity. It is coming from all sides and Democrats especially Obama have not highlighted all the positive aspects of a Democratic Government. I still remember the Previous Administration and their lackeys in Congress. In my opinion it would be devastating to go back to that. People better wake up and start seeing the larger picture here because it isn't just about Health Care. It is about America, the American Dream, instead of the American Nightmare of the last Decade.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:52 PM
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26. The American nightmare is now 3 decades in the making
At the risk of inflaming people on the other side of the debates many of the policies responsible for the nightmare in which we find ourselves now are not only continuing but are being actively pursued by a Democratic administration and Democratic legislators. The war on public education, begun under Reagan, is in full swing under Obama's Secretary of Education, now. It is not a case, as we hear from the middle so often, a case of not producing change fast enough to suit us or 'wanting a pony.' It is a case of an administration that is still full speed ahead on many policies we have objected to from Republican administrations and legislatures.

The right is more motivated, true. Their party is out of power right now and they have an enemy to fight which is always more motivating. I see no way to get the left excited about turning out without seeing some serious efforts on the part of Democrats in power to move to the left, somewhat. I know people say the reason for the left to stay on board is that the Republicans would be worse and there is truth to that. But it just doesn't produce the kind of enthusiasm we need. Seeing some wins (on the big issues) for the left would help. Even hearing some support for some nice, traditionally liberal values would help. Perhaps the President could mention women's rights and ask for our help in getting representatives elected who would stand with him for this. Some support from him for public education, for EFCA, for the House proposal for more generous subsidies in the HCR bill would all go a little ways in giving the left something to vote for instead of the incredibly demoralizing act of having to, once again, vote against something worse. I think I have seen a little lean to the left this past week and it seems someone has, for the time being, stuffed a sock in the Insulter in Chief's mouth. Whether this is due to the threat of losing the MA Senate seat or a shift in direction remains to be seen.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:51 PM
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19. Teddy would seem to be such an icon there
That one would think that even Repukes would think it's worthless.

Especially since he died.

In my state we have to replace Biden, but it will be Nov. 2010 I think. Even then, there will be some sentimental idea that we're replacing Biden. a Repuke couldn't make it without a long history of his own in the state.

Brown would have to be exceptionally popular and an ex-Governor or maybe a well know long term Congressman to beat the sort of thing.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:55 AM
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4. Me -- as one of The Left -- to the Democratic party:
(to paraphrase the immortal words of Walt Starr) "PURGE ME, PURGE ME NOW!"

Do Booman and Armando really want to know what tactic Progressives keep trying that doesn't work? Voting for corporately-owned Beltway politicians just because they have a "D" behind their names.

How about THEY do the soul-searching?

I want a Party that actually works for the People.

sw
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:01 AM
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6. ...and it's been not-working for decades. While the party left the left, not the other way round.
Crazy fuckers.

"...what tactic Progressives keep trying that doesn't work? Voting for corporately-owned Beltway politicians just because they have a "D" behind their names."
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:40 PM
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25. If only they hadn't sold their souls
K&R
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:59 AM
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5. when Democrats are all facing/representing/serving corporate power, who's left?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:30 AM
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8. Good question.
:(
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:33 AM
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7. A big issue is the pipeline problem
In the 70s, far too many on the left abandoned electoral politics. Sanders started running for office in 1971, and Kucinich in 1975. Far too few of my generation joined them.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:05 AM
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9. kick
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:13 AM
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10. Excellent post.
We need a party-wide discussion about tactics. This "pander to the middle" strategy of the centrist, Third Way, CorporaDemocrats is killing us.

Perhaps I'll start such a thread.

:dem:

-Laelth
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:53 PM
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12. I hope you do.
It is needed.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:06 PM
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21. Problem is, Laelth, that party-wide discussion will never happen because the movers
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 02:43 PM by bertman
and shakers in the DLC and DCCC will disrupt it with their ranting about leftist extremists trying to take over the party. That, of course, is bullshit, but that's what they want to convince the rest of the party is going on. And, it's worked. Hell, they got rid of Howard Dean as soon as he helped them accomplish their goal of winning the Presidency and the Congress.

The only thing that matters to them is how we vote on election day. After that it's "Fuck you, Charlene". For that reason, the only lesson they understand is an ass-whipping--as in LOSING elections. I hate that it has come to that, but it's the truth.

I am withholding my financial support for the DLC and DCCC and am selectively donating to candidates who are progressives, and I have told the DLC and DCCC why I am doing it. It probably doesn't matter to them because I'm not a big donor, but it matters to me. I'm SICK of the Rahm Emanuel's of the party controlling the agenda. If that doesn't change soon I'll be jumping ship to a third party. Along with a lot of other Democrats.

After 40-plus years of being a loyal Democrat I have come to the end of my patience.

Recommend.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:26 PM
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23. I did start such a thread, and it is being disrupted as you predicted.
And I suspect you are right about the result if such a discussion were to take place party-wide.

The United States needs a liberal party. People like you and me are both at the ends of our ropes, and it appears we're powerless to do much more that withhold our votes and money. I vote as a matter of conscience and will continue to do so, but I too have cut off financial support for the Democratic Party. I hate to admit that Nader was right. You would have thought the Party would have learned a lesson from 2000, but it appears they did not.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:06 PM
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13. Maybe Menendez needs to be scared of the left.
And, the way to do that is to make the party earn our votes rather than take them as given.

It's a novel idea but one popular with the founders when they established a democracy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:20 PM
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14. For him to say that to a great Democrat like Jennifer Brunner...
who fought the hard fight as SoS in Ohio is just infuriating.

It sort of tells what they truly think of the base.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:03 PM
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20. Which is why he needs to start fearing the left. And, stop, pandering to the right.
I think the disenchanted left is growing in strength, thanks to guys like Menendez and the continual rightward drift of the party under Clinton and Obama. The ONLY way to stop it is to make them want our votes bad enough to work for them.

The old, "not as bad as", "the Republicans will win!", tactics is wearing as thin as the proverbial dime's worth of difference.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:21 PM
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36. We have the same situation in Az. CD3John Shagegg is retiring.
Before he announced his retirement, we had a Dem, Jon Hulburd, who entered the race and who has raised more than any other Dem candidate ever in this district and any AZ Dem candidate ever so early. He has been written up as a serious challenger in the national papers. But the AZ Dem party could care less. He isn't one of "them"and they have always said that CD3 isn't winnable. I have always said it was and have worked on every campaign with zero help from the party. I have watched as they treated our candidates like dirt for the most part. Now Shadegg is retiring and it is now and open seat. Though they already have a serious contender, the establishment Dems are now lining up. They will attempt to primary the newbie for a seat they could have cared less about. They will flush his efforts down the toilet to attempt to accommodate established conservudems who feel they are entitled to the seat though they haven't done a damn thing for this district in years. The party politics are getting more and more revolting and loyalty is nonexistent. I have been extremely stupid for way too many years. I actually thought the Democrats cared. But that isn't the case very often now.

They treat the base the way they treat the genuine volunteers.They simply do not count in their world and it is all about the Party itself and not the people.
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bonnieS Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:50 PM
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31. Menendez
is my Senator. He was once a real liberal. Today I got an e-mail from him in answer to my call about the tax on workers' health care benefits. He wrote me, he said, in answer to my call about "taxes and health care." Of course, he is not for taxes. Really responsive.

On the other hand, I actually met with his aide, under the auspices of NOW , on Stop Stupak Day, to get him to agree (among other things) not to vote for Stupak-like language in the Senate bill. Later in the day, when he met with a group of us, he said he was also against Hyde in the first place. So of course, he now sighs, he is against any limits on choice, but after all, there had to be a compromise and they all worked very hard......There is just something in the water in DC that affects liberals so that they forget who they are and why they went there. Except for Kucinich, of course.

Any converstion we have amongst ourselves has to include how we get rid of almost all the incumbents. They no longer need any of us, they have each other. I am afraid that that conversation can only lead to an acknowledgement that they are entrenched, really do NOT need us, and that WE need a third Party. Which means a lot of us will be dead and gone before the "change" we want to see happens. My mom, an FDR Democrat, has already come to terms with that.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:12 PM
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33. We're stuck with a system corrupted by money and politics.
As long as we go along with it, it will never change. I, for one, vote issues and principles and demand that politicians who want my vote have to earn it rather than threaten me with how much worse it will be if the other politician wins.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:36 PM
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15. Recommend
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:42 PM
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16. One thing: "I told you so." n/t
n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:46 PM
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17. If Anyone Needs a Talking To, It's the DLC and Corporate Democrats
They need to either get with the program, or go reinvigorate the GOP.

We on the Left don't need lectures, or a trip to the woodshed. We need to prevail. Because we are the Change Makers, the Advocates, the Conscience of the Party, we know what is needed and we aren't willing to deny reality any longer, not for Hillary, not for Obama, not for Kerry, not for Gore.

Not for anybody or anything. Reality will not be denied--and pretty soon, it won't even be concealable.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:49 PM
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18. How Obama won was to get the swing voters
the ones in the center. No amount of ranting will change that.

I'd like a lot of what the left wants too, but reality is as it is. IMO they are just demoralizing and shooting themselves in the foot. Bad tactic.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:15 PM
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22. Yes, the women and gays must wait, and the schools privatized...
before we realize what is happening.

Women are almost or perhaps are a majority in the party, yet they are treated as a minority to make the religious right happy.

It's nice you like a lot of "what the left wants"....because that is usually what is good for the most people.

Yet time after time...we are the ones getting the lectures.

But...really it doesn't matter now does it?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:31 PM
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24. treestar, are you not a member of "the left"?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:56 PM
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27. However, he did not win with the center without, also, getting the votes of the left
and we aren't going to hold power with just the swing voters. If you can't secure your base, you lose. Simple. Just as true for Republicans as it is for Democrats. I have asked several times now what people think President Obama meant when he said, "Make me do it?" I can't think he meant STFU while I support policies you hate. But that would be the advice of some here in the forums. I'm just wondering how that makes him do it.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:09 PM
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29. I don't believe that for a second.
The way Obama won was to energize his base. The independents and the centrists (your "swing voters") just followed along. And this will be the story, in reverse, in 2010 unless something changes quickly. Obama's failure to energize his base (and the failure of Democratic Congresspeople to energize the base) may lead to massive losses, a la 1994.

This is the historical and predictable outcome when the liberal party sells out its base and panders to corporate interests.

More here, if you're interested: http://firedoglake.com/2010/01/16/ma-sen-weve-seen-this-movie-before/

:dem:

-Laelth

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:59 PM
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28. This conversation has been going on for years here at DU, so I think we have a pretty good idea
what would be said.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:13 PM
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30. The "conversation" needs to happen whether or not Coakley wins
She may be slightly better than the naked Republican opposing her, but she is still a HUGE step down from the man who has held that seat for 47 years, and his brother who had it before him.

Actually the conversation that needs to happen is for the corporatists to sit down and shut the fuck up, and let the PEOPLE speak.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:54 PM
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32. K&R. Great post -- thank you!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:29 PM
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34. K & R for later
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:33 PM
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35. If Republicans were the ones proposing these educational, health insurance, financial,
loss of women's rights, torture/rendition, spying on citizens, escalation in Afghanistan, etc issues, I reckon that most Dems would be raising holy hell. But, instead there's this absurd protection racket/denial going on around the current Administration.

Stand for more traditional Democratic principles. There are some Democratic principles at on-going risk here.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:42 PM
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37. Obama’s involvement & Lawton’s exit shake up Wisconsin

This is just one of many commentaries on the WH/dnc involvement in WI.
I was sorry to see this happen.


http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/10/27/lawston-out-in-wisconsin/

Obama’s involvement & Lawton’s exit shake up Wisconsin
Published
by
Taniel
on October 27, 2009
in WI-Gov
.


It’s in that context that we learned over the week-end that Obama was trying to convince Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to enter the race, with The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel writing that the White House “badly” wants Barrett to run.

I was a bit surprised to hear this because there already was a high-profile contender in the race: Lieutenant Governor Barbara Lawson. She carried a big liability (Republicans would have tried to tie her to Governor Jim Doyle and thus make the 2010 race a referendum on Doyle’s unpopular legacy) but she is clearly a capable candidate who’s ran statewide before; a June Research 2000 poll showed her enjoying a strong favorability rating (35-17) and leads against Republican candidates.

In short: An argument can certainly be made that Barrett would be a stronger contender than Lawton, but not in the clear-cut way we can make it New York’s Governor’s race, the other contest in which Obama tried to push out a candidate who’s already running. (A side motivation here could be that Lawton was a Clinton surrogate in Wisconsin’s decisive primary, while Barrett backed Obama. But the president hasn’t shown much desire to punish Clinton backers since he came in office, quite the contrary, so I am not at all convinced this played a big part in his involvement.)

Whatever the White House’s motivation, the bottom line is that they seem to have gotten what they wanted: Lawton announced yesterday she was dropping out of the race! She cited “personal reasons” and there is no evidence that her decision is tied to the White House’s intervention or to the fact that their preference for Barrett spilled out in the public domain this week-end. At the very least, however, Lawton was damaged by her inability to get the state establishment to accept her as the front-runner for the nomination - a failure to which the White House and Doyle contributed.

...............



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:17 PM
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38. In Florida the decisions are made about who the candidates are.
All we have to do is show up and vote. There are primaries still with others in them, but they are slowly being given the message.

There will be no change that way.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:18 PM
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39. well, WI was certainly given the 'message" by the WH!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:05 PM
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40. I must make clear...in light of recent occurrences...
this post is not about not voting for Coakley. It is not about voting for Democrats or not voting for them.

It is about thinking about what our party stands for.

I will be careful to clarify from now on just in case.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:12 PM
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41. To make more clear, I am NOT advocating not voting Democrat.
Not ready to go yet.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:27 PM
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42. "The DSCC has all but written her off"
She was Ohio's Secretary of State and did a powerful job....and the "DSCC has all but written her off".

And told her they were not scared of her.
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