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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:42 AM
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Supreme Court Condemns "Free Use of Money" in Election campaigns
You'll need this for Scalia's next corrupt opinion - whether in dissent or in the majority, he will definitely be arguing in Citizens United for the UNLIMITED right of corporations to spend money on political candidate campaigns. In this 1884 a unanimous US Supreme Court compared "free use of money" as quintessential corruption, as much of a severe threat to elections as Ku Klux Klan violence (which it found criminally liable under federal law in this case):

THE KU KLUX CASES, 110 U.S. 651, 666-67 (1884) “It is as essential to the successful working of this government that the great organisms of its executive and legislative branches should be the free choice of the people, as that the original form of it should be so. In absolute governments, where the monarch is the source of all power, it is still held to be important that the exercise of that power shall be free from the influence of extraneous violence and internal corruption. In a republican government, like ours, where political power is reposed in representatives of the entire body of the people, chosen at short intervals by popular elections, the temptations to control these elections by violence and by corruption is a constant source of danger. Such has been the history of all republics, and, though ours <110 U.S. 651, 667> has been comparatively free from both these evils in the past, no lover of his country can shut his eyes to the fear of future danger from both sources. If the recurrence of such acts as these prisoners stand convicted of are too common in one quarter of the country, and give omen of danger from lawless violence, the free use of money in elections, arising from the vast growth of recent wealth in other quarters, presents equal cause for anxiety. If the government of the United States has within its constitutional domain no authority to provide against these evils,-if the very sources of power may be poisoned by corruption or controlled by violence and outrage, without legal restraint,-then, indeed, is the country in danger, and its best powers, its highest purposes, the hopes which it inspires, and the love which enshrines it, are at the mercy of the combinations of those who respect no right but brute force on the one hand, and unprincipled corruptionists on the other.


The US Supreme Court continued this theme of whether the government had the power to protect itself from money corruption and violence-corruption:

That a government whose essential character is republican, whose executive head and legislative body are both elective, whose numerous and powerful branch of the legislature is elected by the people directly, has no power by appropriate laws to secure this election from the influence of violence, of corruption, and of fraud, is a proposition so startling as to arrest attention and demand the gravest consideration. If this government is anything more than a mere aggregation of delegated agents of other states and governments, each <110 U.S. 651, 658> of which is superior to the general government, it must have the power to protect the elections on which its existence depends, from violence and corruption. If it has not this power, it is left helpless before the two great natural and historical enemies of all republics, open violence and insidious corruption.


The Court also addressed the implied powers to protect the operations of government, responding to common arguments that no such specific power existed in the Constitution or laws:

We know of no express authority to pass laws to punish theft or burglary of the treasury of the United States. Is there therefore no power in congress to protect the treasury by punishing such theft and burglary? Are the mails of the United States, and the money carried in them, to be left at the mercy of robbers and of thieves who may handle the mail, because the constitution contains no express words of power in congress to enact laws for the punishment of those offenses? The principle, if sound, would abolish the entire criminal jurisdiction of the courts of the United States, and the laws which confer that jurisdiction. <110 U.S. 651, 659> It is said that the states can pass the necessary law on this subject, and no necessity exists for such action by congress. But the existence of state laws punishing the counterfeiting of the coin of the United States has never been held to supersede the acts of congress passed for that purpose, or to justify the United States in failing to enforce its own laws to protect the circulation of the coin which it issues.


CONCLUDING THIS LINE OF THOUGHT:

"In both cases it is the duty of that government to see that he may exercise this right freely, and to protect him from violence while so doing, or on account of so doing. This duty does not arise solely from the interest of the party concerned, but from the necessity of the government itself that its service shall be free from the adverse influence of force and fraud practiced on its agents, and that the votes by which its members of congress and its president are elected shall be the free votes of the electors, and the officers thus chosen the free and uncorrupted choice of those who have the right to take part in that choice."

Keep money, force and fraud OUT of any distorting influence on politics.



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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:59 AM
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1. Money will always find a way.
Sorry to be such a cynic, but money can hire the bright lawyers to find the loopholes. And there will always be loopholes. Politicians need money, and lots of it, for campaigns. Corporatons need influence, and have money. One will always find the other. I am old enough that I have seen several campaign finance reform measures that were greeted with great hopes, only to discover that the problem had shape-shifted. And we still have the problem, and always will.

Good luck with the latest effort.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:31 AM
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2. No need to pave the road for them, even if this were true. n/t
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ectoendomezo Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:01 PM
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3. Something WICKED..this way COMES!..But who's PAYING for it!
...Again...I find myself searching for a method of explaining a very basic..REALITY regarding the "Power Of Money!"

I am perpetually..AMAZED..at the..'Avoidance' approach..SO many seem to take regarding the POWER of the PURSE..I don't know whether its..DENIAL? ..or GUILT? ..or a massive RATIONALIZATION? Or simply an elaborate EXCUSE? I don't know. However..the reality is a MASS HALUCINATION..creating this erroneous yet FIRM belief..that "The Money" is coming from.."WITHOUT!" As in "THE MONEY COMES FROM EVERYWHERE..BUT MY OWN POCKET!"

Now...this is a very odd thing..especially for a Wealthy and Educated..by Comparison..'Class' of Citizenry...to somehow CONVINCE themselves that they have NO power over what BECOMES of the MONEY in THEIR Pockets...that they have NO ABILITY to make a RESPONSIBLE DECISION...as to "WHOM" they hand THEIR Money over to! Nor a desire to exercise ANY real 'Responsibility' as to 'HOW' that money is SPENT! This is monumental Hypocrisy..Delusional really...almost a kind of Psychotic Episode..a 'Seperation From Reality'..Would these same individuals that PAY for Torture..and War..in literal terms..WITHOUT QUESTION..would they hand over %35 of their YEARLY INCOME to say..."TONY SOPRANO"? That is the reality..Criminal and Lethal activities are being conducted by "Authorities" that are going to YOU for 'Financing'!

How is it that this has come to pass?

I am NO 'Tea Bagger'..I say it over and over again...they have it ALL Bass-Ackwards..and too...99% of em..WILL simply "Pay" for all the aspects of Government they PRETEND to be so paranoid about...they'll pay...BUT..so does the "Left"..

Look..I sort of agree..in part...with what the Originating Post expresses...and I ABSOLUTELY agree that the Supreme Court IS...TO A MORAL CERTAINTY...going to essentially..put the final nail in the coffin any day now..and open the flood gates for LEGALIZED...Corporate Financing of "Elections"..really..simply LEGALIZING CORRUPTION! And basically...and perhaps most TRAGIC of ALL...the VAST majority of Americans are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of the very..DIRE situation that is on the verge of becoming a reality..NAMELY..the END..of the "DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC" As WE know it..replaced..in the BLINK OF AN EYE...by a BULLYING, AUTOCRATIC, VICIOUS, MURDEROUS EVEN..CORPORATE KLEPTOCRACY....OR "FRIENDLY FASCISM"..No 'Camps'...just...AS MUCH OPPRESSION AS THEY CAN AFFORD...TO 'LEGALLY' EXERCISE!..BY CONTROLLING THE COURTS...THE ELECTIONS..AND THE NOW..MASSIVE, LETHAL AND INTENSELY HOSTILE TO CIVIL LIBERTIES..."SECURITY STATE"..AKA.."LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY"!

This is REAL BAD..This is in fact.."THAT DAY!" that so many said.."Can't Happen Here.."..well...

But..again...Thankfully..that old DOUBLE EDGE of 'CAPITALISM'! That all the MONEY..comes form YOU..and YOU...and YOU! This simple reality..as it applies to a Corporate Militarized Social 'Order'.can be summed up in the phrase- "Martial Law is TOO EXPENSIVE!"..Add to which these idiots..the 'CORPIES'..happen to be quite..."HITLERIAN" in their Arrogance..that is to say..they ALWAYS "Overestimate" their own "Genius"..and .."ATTACK RUSSIA IN THE WINTER!"...only to subsequently..lay dying in the Snow outside Stalingrad. And so..this they WILL do here..shortly, and "LEGALLY"..but it is STILL...a massively over confidant move..and the 'result' WILL be either the END of ALL of us..OR..the END of the Corporate Hegemony..as people QUICKLY realize..just how truly..HORRIFIC the average "CEO'S" Ideas about "Democracy" and "RIGHTS"..REALLY....ARE!

So..this is a very grim and terrifying moment..BUT..it is TIME..for ALL of us to WAKE-UP! To realize..in as CONCRETE a manner as the TRUTH of the MATTER IS:

A CONCRETE REALITY..THE SAFETY NET...THAT THE MONEY..ALL OF IT..COMES FROM....TAXATION!

"WE" Can..and ultimately if we are to save our Constitution..will HAVE TO...understand this basic concept..that "WE" ARE..."THE FINANCIAL POWER..IN AMERICA!" Te MONEY..is "OURS"..it comes from US every April..Dutifully mail in out of FEAR and COERCION..a massive Loan Sharking System..using FEAR and TERROR..as in the TERROR of "LOSING EVERYTHING!" to MAKE you PAY for ALL of it!

Every Thin Dime..every NICKEL..every DOLLAR..every single CENT!

Oh yeah..the "We Barrow Allot..so.." Arguyment..yeah..sure..we "Borrow" but then again..its the CITIZENS that pay the interest...and pay back the 'Loans'..

Look..it is OUR.."REPSONSIBILITY" to wrest control of the MONEY from those that have begun to simply..and completely..'OVERLOOK' this simple fact..that THEY are nowhere...without OUR CONSENT! That they don't GET "BAILED OUT!" If we REALLY don;t want them to be..that the 'War For TAPI' in the 'East'..as it now is about to involve 'Near/Middle/Far' EAST..WE pay for it all..WE pay for every BOMB...MISSILE..BULLET..DRONE..and even every PRIVATE CONTRACTOR...

So..Sure..this is as BAS as it gets...it really is..we are at a Crossroads..we have been there since the enacting of the 'Patriot Act' AND we have been DOUBLY threatened...since we ALLOWED the passage of "RETRO ACTIVE IMMUNITY FOR THE TELECOMS" who violated..WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE..our most sacred Right..the Right to PRIVACY from UNWARRANTED SEARCH!

I could and still can..basically "Hear" The Boy's That Call The Shots..saying to each other in some smoke filled back-room.."Hey! If they'll go along with THAT...then they'll go along with ANYTHING..." and they're RIGHT..we HAVE..and we DO!

Maybe LOSING..SO much MORE..will wake people UP!..Nothing creates a "Pause" like the waking up to the reality.."I didn't know what I HAD..until it was GONE!"

And even then..we will till have access...to the most POWERFUL WEAPON IN THE WORLD..."MONEY"..for it will STILL..even On That Day..be coming from US!

So..forget the 'Tea Baggers'..we MUST get people like Ralph Nader..Cindy Shehan..Amy Goodman...and any others..to give the 'Liberals' PERMISSION to conduct a 'TAX STRIKE'..UNION STYLE...I mean if this was done SMARTLY..w could even USE their OWn 'Weapons' AGAINST them...say..take the TAXES OWED..and ACTUALLY.."Put Them Aside"..which would create an even BIGGER 'Incentive' to Negotiate..but..HOW to 'Protect' the money from Federal Government that WILL just TAKE IT..and call the whole thing 'Illegal'? Well..mayb..we could 'INCORPORATE'..and use the money to 'Buy Shares' in.."Tax Strike, Inc." and HIDE the money in an Offshore Account? Ahahahahahah..Whay NOT?..OR..just use the money to HIRE..the BEST..TEAM..or LAWYERS..on the PLANET! Dig?

OR..Bring a 'RICO CASE' against the Government..for FUNDING TERRORISM in the form of Bribes being paid RIGHT NOW to Al Qaeda and TALIBAN leaders and DRUG lords to allow the Convoy's to pass in Trashcanistan...this is a FACT! It IS happening..SO...we SUE em..etc..etc..And more and more Folks will READ about it..and watch the 'Bits' from folks on Youtube..and they'll JOIN..because one thing is CERTAIN.."Everyone Knows"..Red..Blue.."Purple"..everyone..KNOWS!

At any rate...there IS a way..and they WILL come to the table..for the first time in YEARS...especially if we can get enough people on board...from the FEW Politicians that see it is the ONLY way..to the Big Names...They WILL HAVE to Negotiate..and in this instance..for the first time in a GENERATION..WE would genuinely..have "RIGHT" on our side...because the "Plan"..is actually..EVIL..fer reals! EVIL! Anti-Liberty!...Anti-LIFE!

Constitutional Progressives..UNITE for Tax Protest! Money=POWER! Impose your OWN Economic Sanctions! Or..be a Happy Slave!

So..'Until That Day'..

Have a Brave New Year!

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:29 PM
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4. beautiful. now how do we get you on the supreme court?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:11 PM
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5. Start by impeaching a couple Supreme Court justices for failure to defend our freedoms
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 02:11 PM by Land Shark
Our real freedoms are elections with integrity.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:15 PM
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6. A couple?
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 02:16 PM by Sebastian Doyle
I can think of 5 that need to go immediately. Though Roberts and Alito should be gone first, on the basis that Chimpy had no legal authority to appoint them in the first place. Not to mention the fact that Opie Roberts was never remotely qualified in the first place.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:20 PM
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7. Friendly amendments are always in order! :) n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:55 PM
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10. nice! or, if we count those damn ballots in Ohio, since Bush was not elected,
we could just remove the 2 he appointed, and do a re-appoint....
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:55 PM
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11. P.S. I know we can't, that the ballots were destroyed. It's rhetorical.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:58 PM
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12. I know that you know, now we all know. :) n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:14 PM
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14. hiya LAndshark! I saw an ad the other day somewhere for a beer called Landshark.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:29 PM
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8. I'm starting to think that we may be surprised when the court finally decides this.
It seems to be taking them longer than anyone expected to make this ruling. That suggests to me that there may a lot of arguing/negotiating going on in the court. That could be good or bad:

Possibility 1: Someone is making at least one of the wingies actually think about it. Most likely, it would be Sotomayor, based on her questioning about corporate personhood in the hearing. It's conceivable that she's been rubbing the original Supreme Court ruling that "established" corporate personhood in their faces, the ruling that actually did no such thing since it was only some court clerk's erroneous summary of the ruling that did the "establishing." Undoubtedly, the corporate wingies would not want to have a dissenting opinion written by her getting out to the public and the press about the reasoning and the real historic Supreme Court precedent.

Possibility 2: The exact opposite, and even worse than our worst fears. The wingies are arguing among themselves about just how far to go. The Corporate Lawyer magazine cover boy segment of the court might want to take the opportunity to establish "above the law" status for corporations that exempts them from virtually all regulation. After all, the only legally valid aim for a corporation is to make money, and environmental or anti-discrimination laws interfere with maximizing money. Therefore, since government established corporations with that sole aim for them, government therefore cannot interfere with their maximizing money. Yeah, I know the reasoning doesn't make any sense at all, but the reasoning in Bush v. Gore didn't make any sense at all either. They have power and they're going to use it. Reasoning and law are only things that you pay lip service to when you're exercising power to get what you want.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:14 PM
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9. THere's definitely some kind of fight/negotiation/holdout going on... n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:16 PM
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15. She seems to be the best thing Obama has done so far. the lady rocks!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:04 PM
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13. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, 2 Much Tribulation.
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