CNN-Israel-Only Nation In Haiti With A Functioning Hospital

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[DavidDvorkin]

1. Angry post(s) about Gaza will show up RSN.

[cali]

2. I read that somewhere early this morning

[KittyWampus]

3. huh

[cali]

4. more

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3836254,00.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Yeah they have been there since thursday

and this is the Context CNN will not provide.

That rescue team deploys with a hospital... every time.

And they are not the only ones with a hospital though. So does the ICRC.

Of course CNN is ignoring the Vinson... with a hell of a medbay, and the Bataan...

Or the fact the Comfort is in the way, or the fact that the MAR Huasteco should be there by tomorrow.

[TxRider]

11. Yup

The U.S. military is already there and up now.

CNN ran a story this morning that their own doctor Gupta was doing neuro surgery on a kid on board the Vinson this morning.

And that a large hospital ship was almost there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. CNN is quite left hand right hand

they covered the cuban effort two days ago as well.

[cali]

17. The Vinson is NOT treating quake victims

I posted a link for you about that yesterday. The Comfort isn't there and won't be until Wednesday. And from what I understand the Israeli facility is the only one set up for complex surgeries.

[TornadoTN]

18. Not true. Sanjay Gupta performed brain surgery last night on the Vinson

They are only taking the most extreme cases, so the volume isn't as high as one would wish, but they are doing a bit of care on the Vinson.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Correct and they will do more once the Bataan spins for operations

[cali]

20. theyve treated 10 patients- 2 were americans.

[TornadoTN]

22. And? They are treating the most extreme cases - regardless of nationality

I'd rather they treat 10 than none at all. Once more ships are on scene, they will take more.

[malaise]

40. Correct

Gupta operated on a 12 year old Haitian girl with concrete literally in her brain. He said the operation went well and she should be OK.
I have new respect for him after this trip.

[dgibby]

27. That's strange.

I've been watching CNN since the earthquake happened, and I've seen several items about the Vison, Comfort, etc. In fact, Sanjay Gupta did brain surgery on a child on the Vinson last night, and CNN showed the Comfort leaving port in MD, then went on the discuss their capabilities, reasons why it didn't leave immediately.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. They are being left hand right hand

on this... quite honestly.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

6. More than likely they were given permission to land at the airport.

There's an international brouhaha brewing over the US not allowing other countries equal
access to land. France and Brazil have filed a complaint with the DoD and France is
asking that the US clarify it's position.

[Codeine]

7. Anti-Israel post in

5. . . 4. . . 3. . . 2 . . .

[malaise]

8. Clearly they don't recognize the Cubans

who have been running a field hospital from last Wednesday morning.

[cali]

13. Yes, there are other hospitals but what I've read is that

they aren't equipped to do the complex care and surgeries that the Israeli facility is doing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Actuall they did the other day, two days ago

to be exact.

[dgibby]

29. CNN has reported on the Cubans;

however, the reporter covering the Isreali hospital has not been on scene but a couple of days, so she may not be aware of the Cubans. IIRC, CNN reported that the Cubans were either the first or second on scene.

[malaise]

37. Thanks n/t

[EFerrari]

9. CNN is wrong, as malaise noted above. Here's an article on the effort:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-fromson/cubas-rescue-effort-in-ha_b_426631.html

[malaise]

24. The harsh truth is that there is no country in this hemisphere,

probably on the planet, that handles disasters better than Cuba.
The rest of the world borrows from th eCuban disaster model.
Note in that article that:
The quake was felt in Cuba's most eastern provinces, particularly the old city of Baracoa. There was no damage, but miraculously in just one hour, 50,000 people were evacuated to high land for fear of a tsunami. Fortunately it did not materialize. Nonetheless, it was a remarkable feat of logistics. But once the Cuban Seismology Institute and Civil Defense determined there was no danger, the evacuees were returned home to resume their daily lives.

That's known as higher level community organizations - people power.

[slackmaster]

10. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Unrec for ambiguity, and for questionable use of hyphens.

[Codeine]

12. There are a number of field hospitals,

but this one is the only one set up with full field surgery suite. that's a far cry from being the only field hospital.

Totally misleading nonsense from CNN once again.

[cali]

21. exactly.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. robble robble robble

:popcorn:

[BeFree]

26. heh

The bickering is something, eh?

[Waiting For Everyman]

23. ... 'cause the Isarelis aren't scared.

They aren't too scared to actually go in among the people.

The search crews weren't too scared either. But yet, the other doctors and relief workers were talking riots way before there was a problem.

If they're so scared, why are they in these positions? That's what I don't understand. Why be there at all? Let someone else do it, who is willing to DO IT. And get the hell out of the way!

This could've been done better. And if those in charge of planning for this kind of thing can't see that, they need to be replaced too.

[Codeine]

25. Fail.

There are a number of other field hospitals full of equally brave aid workers and doctors. the headline, and your speculation, are patent nonsense.

Please stop talking out of your ass.

[malaise]

30. +1 n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. My Headline Was From CNN

I should have been more circumspect.

I think what's happening is there are a lot of good doctors and nurses but they lack the tools and facilities to help people. If I have an infection or a gangrenous limb there's not much a doctor can do for me if he doesn't have tools, meds, or a facility to operate in.

[Waiting For Everyman]

35. Please take a long walk off a short pier.

The brave Belgian doctors left Sanjay Gupta with a hospital full of wounded ALONE, in the dark, and took their supplies with them. How f'ing brave!

That wasn't speculation, they did it.

Next bullshit accusation?

[TornadoTN]

36. One case amongst thousands who are helping

Hardly anything indicative of a larger issue.

[Waiting For Everyman]

42. So you've interviewed these "thousands" who are helping, have you?

Well fine. Then I won't expect to see reports in the coming weeks about how many have died this week, waiting for care they couldn't get.

My guess is, that number is going to be big.

[TornadoTN]

Likewise, I'll wait for your report on the thousands that have recieved urgent care

Yes, it's a travesty that people are dieing and I believe, just like you, that the number of people that will die due to inaccessibility of aid will be large.

But there are thousands who have been treated and will have a second chance at life thanks to the care of dedicated individuals who are down there doing what they can.

[Waiting For Everyman]

46. Did anybody say *nothing* was being done? That is not the point.

Of course people are being treated. They're being treated with what little is available, mostly by people who are/were already on the ground, with what happened to be onhand.

Duh. Of course those who could, did what they could, with what they had.

It's "care" such as amputations being done on the street with local anaesthetic and whiskey - due to lack of supplies coming in, that's the point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Bad me, I had to do one of those with a rescue saw

in a house cave in.... and all we gave the patient was a mild sedative...

This is a disaster, not a movie, get a clue.

And here is another free clue... the medical infrastructure in this city was almost nil before the quake.

[Waiting For Everyman]

60. Get a clue yourself. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Problem is I HAVE ONE.

[Waiting For Everyman]

64. An attitude is not the same thing. n/t

[TornadoTN]

31. With respect to what the Israeli's are doing, your post is clueless

There are many people from many different countries on the ground - including American volunteers and American soldiers.

There are field hospitals - some primitive - that have been opened by doctors and nurses from all over - including Americans. But they are helping the people in the best capacity that they can.

No one is scared to get out amongst the people because that's what they are there to do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. The Problem Is These Good Folks Lack Tools, Meds, And A Facility To Operate In

I think CNN meant to say the Israelis have that.

[TornadoTN]

34. That's true. Perhaps they will start getting what they need soon

I saw one report where the field hospital received blood pressure cuffs with no inflation device and open heart surgery gear. They needed the cuffs, but they are useless without the inflation bulb and there is no need for open heart surgery gear in a field hospital for obvious reasons.

I think the reason why we are seeing a lot of these reports is because of the massive area of destruction that the earthquake caused. With 3 million people in the city, there's just so much space and so many people that it's overwhelmed what response that was initially available.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I was like oh LAUGHING my ass off to the pressure cuffs

why?

This happens all the time... somebody did not check the packet or most likely another site got the bulbs, and no cuffs.

As to the Thoracic Surgery kits... again that happens all the time, unfortunately somebody saw this as an opportunity to empty old stock... don't care if it's useful or not.

[Codeine]

38. They can operate on a first aid and triage level fairly well,

but surgery has been out of the question outside the Israeli facility.

I imagine this Israeli field hospital will become a model for others in the future.

[Waiting For Everyman]

41. I've been watching and reading same as you, so nice try with the "clueless".

The units which were already there aren't getting any supplies, and the outside supplied teams aren't going in. The Israelis are. So good for them. And it's largely because they aren't scared.

Period. That's the conclusion I draw, and I'm just as informed as you.

[TornadoTN]

43. It has nothing to do with being "Scared" - they were better prepared and able to get on the ground

I think we are arguing semantics here, but I think the characterization of certain parties being "scared" is off-base. I'm sure if we had a mobile field hospital like that (I'm sure we do - and it's most likely deployed in Afghanistan or Iraq), it would be on the ground as well.

Doctors Without Borders is bringing in mobile hospitals and some are already on the ground. I don't think these people are scared, because they've been there from the beginning.

[Waiting For Everyman]

50. The Red Cross has an even bigger mobile hospital coming in by truck soon.

It couldn't get in through the airport.

And as to scared... leaving countless patients in the dark because of worry over some disturbance which hadn't happened=SCARED. That's scared, ok?

Or would you like to debate that some more? Just how much does it take? How much argument does it take, to make one legitimate point around here?

Scared, scared, scared, they were f'ing scared. There's no other way to paint that.

Is that ok with you now?

[mtnester]

63. Doctors without Borders were not allowed to LAND their inflatable hospital

They were turned away, had to go to DR, land, then travel overland over crappy roads and collapsed stuff. Jeezuz they are live blogging on Twitter and FB about their every move. They have been performing surgery since they got set up

Info on the rerouting of their equipment

http://doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=4165&cat=press-release&ref=related-sidebar

They have been busting their ass and HAVE been there from the beginning.

[happy_liberal]

65. +10000

This headline really is unbelievably just...disgusting.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

44. You are right. The US preoccupation with having

guns on the ground has hindered rescue efforts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. The hospital is behind the wire

and ALL teams have been in assigned sectors throughout this

You are really, REALLY clueless.

[Waiting For Everyman]

52. And you are a real ass. Who are you, General Patton's ghost?

Are you in on the President's conference calls down there, or something?

Are you in Haiti?

If not, get off your high horse. Your opinion is just that.

[TornadoTN]

53. Pot=Kettle, etc. etc. n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

56. I'm not the one passing myself off as the know-it-all expert, thanks.

That's you and your buddies.

[Codeine]

54. She knows disaster relief.

She knows operational tempo. She knows about backups and bottlenecks. She's insufferable at times, but she's right as rain about this situation, because she's done it.

You betray your ignorance often and loudly.

[Waiting For Everyman]

57. And just what your "creds", hmmmmm??? I'm only voicing an opinion

and a view, which is what a discussion board is FOR.

And I will do that whether you like it or not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. NO I am reading international sources including

Israeli Papers and the OFFICIAL IDF page... I read Hebrew.

They explained that in their page, that they had SECURITY at the hospital as well.

That's ok, I guess they are also afraid of the people...

[Waiting For Everyman]

58. Spin away, Patton. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Can't deal with reality, I see

[Waiting For Everyman]

62. You have a "having the last word" problem, I see.

Your threads and posts are all over this board. What - an occasional opinion by me is such a problem for you, and your cohorts?

Tough cookies, then.

[Justice]

39. That is not the whole story, Partners In Health sent an email today

talking about surgeries and evacations of several patients to US hospitals and other country's hospitals. I haven't heard word one about that on TV.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

45. The DR is receiving alot of patients as well.

Haven't heard that reported.

[Garbo 2004]

66. It has been mentioned since DR has the only operational hospitals. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. So as you know it did not happen

:sarcasm:

Actually the media did mention that they are taking critical cases to Florida... oh two days ago...