"You Liberals are just surrender monkeys"

[DainBramaged]

I completed a new vendor meeting a few minutes ago. Company selling contact tracking software. Person was one of those cigar smoking big BMW driving know it all experts who had everything bad to say about the software we use now and all of his competition (some which we realized we didn't know about). He also started the meeting by IMMEDIATELY bad-mouthing President Obama and Nancy Pelosi about their running of the Government. Completely uncalled for and unprofessional. We didn't say anything, but let him finish his presentation.


When it came time for me to ask questions, I basically skewered his software, because I had downloaded their free trial months ago and found it to be inadequate, and I informed him of such. After a few minutes more of his futile attempt to salvage the presentation, we ended the meeting, but not before I turned and said "Oh, by the way, I'm the token Liberal here, and your bashing of OUR president was out of line."

As he turned BEET red he blurted out "You Liberals are just surrender monkeys", totally absurd but I guess it's all his pea brain could think of at the moment. I gave him a couple of seconds and replied, "yeah, maybe, but we aren't surrendering to your line of crap, have a nice day" and left him standing in the lobby.

Felt good. God I despise Pukes. but he didn't make a sale today.

[NJmaverick]

1. Good for you! Put that jerk in his place

why the hell do tea baggers always feel comfortable spouting their ridiculous and horrible views?

[DainBramaged]

5. Most people in the car business are Pukes

and since dirty jokes and innuendo are no longer tolerated, bashing the Left still is.

[Hello_Kitty]

25. I've often felt that 'liberal' is a thinly-disguised proxy for women with a lot of them. eom

[DainBramaged]

34. I agree, but here are a few truths about the car business

The most important part of the day is lunch. When they come in first thing in the morning, lunch is already being planned.

There are NO healthy people on the sales floor. They are sadly overweight, sedentary, plagued by hemorrhoids, and usually so profoundly stupid it will hurt your hair if you could get into a conversation about anything other than the brand of car they are currently selling.

The smartest people in the car business are the F&I guys. They usually are college educated, have taken all of the right courses to persuade You the consumer that you need to buy every piece of shit financial prop or warranty they shove under your nose, and are TRAINED to wear you down until you just agree to anything to get the hell out of the dealership. Gap insurance and life insurance were banned for sale by car dealers in NJ because it was such a scam (and pure profit product for them).

Car sales USED to be a very good paying job. No more. new car commissions run about $35-$50 per car. Used cars are where they make money. At 25% of the gross profit, it behooves the salesperson and dealership to sell a used car since they don't make shit on new cars (no more markups like in the past.Retail is 5% above cost).

The people still selling cars in their 50's and 60's have nowhere left to go until they retire. And fewer and fewer people want to get into the business simply because it is just scummy. When an ad goes out on Monster (worst responses) or in the newspaper for sales people if one dies or moves on, it's usually someone from a dealership that closed or someone who was fired.


The Internet now contributes nearly 50% to our overall business. People see a car on the Internet, come in after hours to look at it, and then come in to negotiate their best deal with their trades. it used to be people came in because their family or themselves had bought from a dealership before, or they wanted to try a brand because they heard good things. now half of the people who walk through the door already know the stock number of the car they want to buy. And that's a good thing. The less time they spend talking to the idiot salesman, the better off they are. The test drive is the only thing you can't do on the Internet.




Facts.

[Hello_Kitty]

2. What a flipping moron!

Any salesperson with an iota of common sense knows that you NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER, talk politics with a client or potential client unless you know exactly where they stand.

[DrDan]

21. even when you know - it is completely utterly foolish to bring in politics

[hvn_nbr_2]

27. Wingnuts think everybody "normal" agrees with them.

Only "those" people in "those" parts of town don't realize that Limpballs is God's Representative on Earth. Oh, and the librul media, of course.

[DainBramaged]

33. The guy in our shop who road tests the cars after the techs fix them

He's an Independent who usually votes Democratic (and proudly voted for Obama, but is still a rear-wheel drive guy at heart). He told me a while ago most of the radios' in the cars he tests are either set to 770 WABC the big Puke flagship in NYC, or Talk Right on their XM radios if they aren't set to a music station. And the older the person is the better the chance is the radio is set to WABC AM.


Fact.

[Hello_Kitty]

36. I was working the polls for a City Council race back in Nov.

An SUV pulled into the parking of the church where the polls were and the driver had Rush Limbaugh on SO LOUD that I could hear every word he was saying from 200 feet away even though his windows were closed. What emerged from the vehicle was literally the most constipated looking old white man I've ever seen in my life. I almost feel sorry for guys like him, as eaten away by corrosive hate as they must be. Then I remember they give us these Republican politicians who destroy everything.

[SargeUNN]

3. Good for You

We might disagree and even be disappointed in some things Obama is doing, but just think how bad it really would be had we had John McCain. I live in Arizona and I see why it would have been far worse.

[derby378]

4. Good for you

But if I might suggest something, never agree with any conservative who tries to pin labels on you. The late Molly Ivins tried that a long time ago, and she received a lot of grief over it.

Kudos for standing up to the culture bullies. :hi:

[alsame]

6. I hear you. During the 2000 recount debacle, when Cheney had the

heart attack, I visited a client who asked a room full of people to pray for him. :puke:

[Flying Dream Blues]

19. Didn't tell you what to pray FOR, heh heh, so I guess that's ok. :) nt

[alsame]

23. LOL, you're right! nt

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

7. I've noticed

over the years, and I have a few of 'em, that people who resort to name calling ALWAYS have weak arguments for their points of view. ALWAYS! :)

[lunatica]

8. I can tell what his story is going to be

I know people like that and he'll tell people he skewered you and had you shaking in your boots scared to death of his incisive cut.

A loud mouthed fool who thinks it's his right to brow beat even potential clients. He shot himself in the foot.

[Tailormyst]

9. "surrender monkeys" A grown man in a business capacity said that?

Good lord, I hope you walked away laughing at the poor child.

[Bucky]

37. A grown man said it, but an adult did not.

Remember when "surrender monkeys" was an attempt at making fun of right wing chatter?

[USA_1]

10. You could have asked about his military record, if any.

In a sense he was correct - liberals have a tendency to surrender to Republican bullshit and refuse to answer back to their lies and slanders. But you fight fire with fire, not with sweet words or kissing up their butts or anything like that.

When Bush fucked the economy and started two wars, liberals kissed up to him and supported him in every way. Any criticism was muted or mild at best.

Today, even before Obama got into the White House, Republicans started talking all sorts of shit about him. Every lie conceivable, every manner of slander and libel, all sorts of innuendo, not one word of truth has been said about him. And what do liberals do but to kiss up rather than to fight back. So yes, liberals are surrender monkeys all too often. Rather than fight against reich wing horseshit, all they do more often than not is kiss up and surrender.

Don't blame that guy for acting like he did. If more people like you answered back in such a manner his type would go to hell where they belong and pronto, too.

[Warpy]

11. Nobody who bashed a competitor ever made a sale to me

when I've been in the position of purchasing things for any company. The only approach that ever worked was "Theirs is a good product, but ours does this and that in addition."

Mr. Blowhard has to be related to someone in that company. It's how he got the cigar and BMW and why he still has a job. I'm betting his sales figures are dismal.

You can't bully somebody into buying something and he is a bully.

[TorchTheWitch]

24. One of the first rules of sales

Never bash the competition even if they deserve it. The focus is always on why your product or service is better. Competitors shouldn't even be brought up unless it can't be avoided, and if that's necessary just say they're fine, BUT... and bring the focus right back to your product or service. The more you can steer the conversation so that competitors seem to not even exist in the customer's mind the better.

[quinnox]

12. Typical right winger bully mentality

What a piece of shit. I can't stand right wingers, they are always the same. Stupid and can't debate worth crap except for recycled one liners that they hear Rush and the like say.

[DrDan]

13. anyone who brings politics into a sales meeting is simply an idiot

[TorchTheWitch]

14. this dipshit is in SALES?

[Bucky]

39. Republicans are in the business of sales. Not production, it seems, just sales

It's sad. So much talent at marketing in the Republican culture, but none of it gets turned to actually running a government effectively. Doesn't matter to them, if they "make the sale" with the voter, someone somewhere further up the chain will make a huge profit... in no-bid government contracts and give-away privatization schemes.

Republicans are the pack mules for corporate looters.

[TorchTheWitch]

41. uh... you missed the point

I was commenting on a grossly inept salesperson... his politics and politics in general has nothing to do with his incredible incompetent salesmanship.

[treestar]

15. Sometimes one meets idiots like that

They think that politics is safe to discuss, figuring everyone agrees with them!

Dumb!

[izzybeans]

16. I'd inform his company of why they missed out on a sale.

This guy is a horrible sales person. They deserve to know how bad he is at his job.

[DainBramaged]

35. Pointless. I'm POSITIVE he went back and talked trash about me

but when it comes to our systems, software and security, I have the last word, and the ownership, no matter my political preference, isn't going to screw with my decision because I am the gatekeeper, and too many times over the years, after they overruled my decision, they wound up paying dearly. They have learned.


Job security.

[Frank Cannon]

43. It's not pointless. The potential customer is always right.

Write a letter to the CEO explaining that his cigar-chomping sales jockey just lost not only this, but all future, sales with you due to unprofessional behavior. Either this message will be clearly received and acted upon, or this idiot's company won't be in business six more months. That's a fact. No one can afford to be that colossally stupid these days.

[Initech]

17. Was this guy Groundskeeper Willie by any chance?

[BlueState]

18. Talking politics while trying to make a sale?

Voicing a strident, obnoxious view, and as you say, bashing the president, what a fool.

Don't buy and if anyone else from his company asks tell them the sales person was unproffesional.

[DainBramaged]

32. Happens ALL THE TIME in the auto business, ALL THE TIME

these people are the lowest of the low. The one thing people hate more than ANYTHING else is buying a car. It's stressful, the salespeople are usually poorly trained, and the people who work for the vendors who provide services to the dealers are ex-salespeople who know hot to 'talk' to car people, so they move up but their bad habits don't change.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. This is what happens when people live in a right wing hate radio bubble.

I had years working directly with the public in one of the most liberal areas in the country, and I still knew better than to talk politics at work.

[spanone]

22. who the fuck do people think they are that they bring up politics in a business meeting?

stupid stupid fucking move.

he wouldn't represent any company in which i had ownership

[Mad_Dem_X]

26. Good for you for speaking up!

He was very unprofessional. I'm glad you called him on it.

[cali]

28. brilliant. way to go. recced.

[dajoki]

29. This deserves a K&R, way to go n/t

[ThomCat]

30. That moron ignored so many basic rules of how to do business

it is amazing that he still has a job. :wow:

Before I had to go out on disability I was a Telecom Managment Consultant for global advertising corporations. I too dealt with sales people selling millions of dollars of services or software and I would have to evaluate their crap and weed through their proposals and see what it was they were really offering us.

Only once, ever, did a vendor talk politics and that was a lower level person on an account team who didn't know better.

Lots of them talk down about their competition, but they try to actually know their competition before they try this.

And for fucks sake, if they gave you a demo copy of their software ahead of time they sure and hell should have brought a technician, a sales engineer, or someone with some expertise to defend their product. He was a fool to defend it himself. Of course your company was going to have someone pick it apart (you) who was then going to know more about it than the sales rep. Sales reps rarely know more than the minimum shit about their own products.

[DainBramaged]

31. I hear it ALL the time in this business. most people in the car business are TRULY losers

and few if any, even at the CEO/COO level at many of the largest dealerships in the country have a college education. The people at the sales and service level are hard pressed to write intelligently, let alone speak with knowledge about ANY subject OTHER that what they see on the web when they are surfing. And since I blocked FAUX News, they can only get USA Today, CNN or MSNBC. And I am blocking more and more Reich-wing sites every week. One of them discovered Politico last week. Poof, blocked at the server now.

It's like the moron hardcore Puke salesman we have that I write about occasionally, just shoots from the hip, no actually life experience, been selling cars for over 25 years at various dealerships, and will die at his desk waiting for the next deal to walk through the door. And because we are in a hardcore Republican county in NJ, these idiots can get away with it because a LOT of the customers are JUST like them.


Like I had stated earlier today, talking politics is the only acceptable form of hate speech allowed in this business. You can't bash women, gays, or religion without SERIOUS repercussions, and we even have to take mandatory tests every year by our liability carrier to make sure we understand the ramifications of hate speech or sexual harassment. But when you you talk politics because it makes you look smart to the ignoramus's you deal with on a day to day basis, that's OK and not covered by ANY laws. You can call President Obama ANYTHING you want other than physically threaten him, and the people I deal with will laugh (unless I'm around).


Small victories in a much larger war.

[MrScorpio]

38. That was great!

[johnaries]

40. I had a boss like that. He was fired.

I was transfered to a position that I really love.

He got another job in sales with another company and actually called me several times. I can't tell you how much it pleased me to just "ignore" his calls.

[baldguy]

42. Write a letter to cigar-boy's boss describing his behavior.

[8 track mind]

44. I owe you a beer.

:hi: