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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:33 PM
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If we lose tomorrow....
...the Democrats are finished as a governing party. If Massachusetts turns its back on us, who's left to turn against us?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:35 PM
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1. We're doomed.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:37 PM
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7. I'll blame this poorly written post if we don't win.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:36 PM
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2. Huh?
IF Coakley loses, and it's not a sure thing by a long shot, it will be because she was a weak candidate. It's not any sort of rebuke to the entire party.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:36 PM
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3. No. Just the RW Democrats who think acting like Republicans is cute.
But thanks so much for your concern.

Really...a colossal fuck up like Bush and company cannot destroy the Republican party...but Democrats are easily tankable because Democratic voters are put off by Republican lite behavior?

THat fuck up is not fixable. The DLC behavior is.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:37 PM
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8. DLC DLC DLC DLC......yawn....snore.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:38 PM
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13. I wonder if you'll ever wake up.
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM by YOY
Keep snoring. Your superior brainpower bullshit/Center of left is EXTREME/"someone wants a pony"/faux superiorty crap runs out soon. The clock is ticking and you are doing nothing to fix the offset on the political spectrum in the US. When it runs out...

Then you'll maybe have to fix the Republican party to be doing what the DLC is doing now. I know...it might mean some actual work. You have my pity.

And to theat point you will blame all losses on "the left"...fuck anyone who dreams of political representation.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:36 PM
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4. Game over, man, game over!
I remember in early 1992 when nobody wanted to lose to GHWB. Things change; memories are short. Don't freak.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM
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23. Remember in 2008 when everyone said the Republican Party was dead? lol
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM
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25. +1
Good point
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:36 PM
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5. Uh oh. 2012 is here early. Run. Hide. Take cover. Ah shit, relax. There will be another day.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:37 PM
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6. The sky is FALLING!!!!!!!!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:37 PM
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wow. it's getting difficult to wade through the dog shit in GD.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:37 PM
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9. That's a pretty idiotic statement.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:38 PM
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10. Get a grip... We've lost before, we'll lose again and we'll win again
Cycles happen. Live is a rollercoaster.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:38 PM
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11. DOOOOOOMED..
Were DOOOOOMED!

Seriously, stop it.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:38 PM
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12. No, the party isn't finished.
And no, this won't be Mass. turning its back.

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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:39 PM
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14. thank you, Danny Downer.
:eyes:
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:39 PM
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15. If there is a loss tomorrow
maybe it might remind us of how important it might be to get off our ass in 2010. We simply can't afford to lose...I'm not talking about the Dems - I'm talking about our country...
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:40 PM
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16. I hope they have early voting in Mass.
In Texas voting at your leisure for three weeks before means that turnout is huge.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:40 PM
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17. ding!! First UNREC ever for me. I swore I'd never use it, I guess never say never. nt
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:40 PM
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18. We are soooo screwn!11!1!
R U Series??/1 :wow:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:40 PM
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19. How Easily We Forget!
Obama catches Clinton
Obama now leads Clinton by a margin of 33-31 percent, thanks to an apparent surge of support the night after he won the Iowa caucuses. Given the poll's margin of error, the numbers amount to a statistical tie. But that still marks a gain for Obama, who has trailed Clinton in New Hampshire for months.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/24287.html



Barack Obama takes New Hampshire lead
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1574753/Barack-Obama-takes-New-Hampshire-lead.html


Obama leads opinion polls on eve of New Hampshire primary

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDmBDur-hALlPwSUhQr51SA9DFgQ



Election 2008: New Hampshire Democratic Primary
Final New Hampshire Poll: Obama 37% Clinton 30%

Tuesday, January 08, 2008
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary

NH Primary Poll: Obama opens double-digit lead over Clinton

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- With Tuesday's New Hampshire primary fast approaching, Sen. Barack Obama has opened a double-digit lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the state, a CNN-WMUR poll found Sunday.

Obama, the first-term senator from Illinois who won last week's Iowa caucuses, led the New York senator and former first lady 39 percent to 29 percent in a poll conducted Saturday and Sunday -- a sharp change from a poll out Saturday that showed the Democratic front-runners tied at 33 percent.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/06/nh.poll/index.html


Poll: 9-point lead for Obama on eve of N.H. primary

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/nh.poll/index.html




Just sayin'! :shrug:









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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:35 PM
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35. Yeah, that one was thanks to Diebold too.
Funny how Obama had a consistent lead in all the NH precincts that used actual ballots, but those numbers were the exact reverse in the Diebolded precinct.

Granted, it all worked out in the end, but wouldn't you have rather had accurate results (which might have prevented that ridiculously extended primary season).
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:41 PM
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20. Oh noes !!!!!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM
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21. I know you're depressed but, really, life will go on. We still have the
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 09:53 PM by Pirate Smile
Presidency and control of both chambers of Congress. Instead of 60 (59? 58? 56?) Dems in the Senate, we'll have one less.

We have notice to get our sh#$ together by November AND shine a microscope back on Republicans.

They can filibuster financial reform, banking reform, etc. They'll get their chance to show whose side they are on and we wont have a week to try to make sure everyone knows.

The sun will come up tomorrow and Wednesday.

It is going to be OK.

I recommend avoiding hysterical cable news and bloggers.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM
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22. Oh brother
I'd hate to be in foxhole with any of you.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:48 PM
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24. Defeat of Health Care Reform
I'm just really depressed at the prospect. I've worked my fingers to the bone in the health care reform efforts and here we are on the cusp of finally achieving something that has eluded Democratic presidents for seven (7) decades, only to have a Senate seat lost in a special election to replace, of all people Ted Kennedy, who championed health care reform his entire life.

Massachusetts, please, PLEASE don't let this happen.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:21 PM
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33. Please don't tell me you consider this the health care reform that "has
eluded Democratic presidents for seven (7) decades"...This bill is an abomination that needs to be killed with a shovel and have a stake driven through its heart. About the only good thing that could conceivably come out of a Brown victory is that it might actually kill this sick excuse for "health care reform" that's far worse than doing nothing at all.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:50 PM
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26. Poppycock, sir! Don't make me use "kerfuffle."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:51 PM
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27. (facepalm)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:00 PM
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28. .
:cry:
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:04 PM
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29. Rrriibit!
Howard Johnson's right about Van Johnson being right!
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:10 PM
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30. I can't imagine why liberals are labeled as emotional. nt
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:19 PM
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32. So glad to know...
...that conservatives aren't the least bit emotional about anything.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:17 PM
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31. Did Massachusetts turn its back on the Democrats, or did the Democrats
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 10:17 PM by salguine
turn their back on Massachusetts—and the rest of us? It's worth thinking about.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:27 PM
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34. On the other hand
Brown wins, a bunch of Democratic congresscritters get really scared, and we drop this loser of an excuse for healthcare reform. The voters forget about it all by November, and we suffer minimal losses.

Then, in 2013, with a newly elected President Obama and some real progressives in Congress (the Blue Dogs lose their seats in 2010, and are replaced by vulnerable Repukes) we try again, this time with either single payer or a robust public option.

If Brown wins or loses, and the Democratic Congress marches off the cliff with this miserable steaming pile they call healthcare reform, then we lose really big in November, and we will lose again in 2012.

That's the way I call it.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:37 PM
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36. If we lose tomorrow, we get up, dust ourselves off and start again
which is what we always do. The fight is never over and never ends.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 11:08 PM
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37. We Get Up, Start Over Again, AND...
If the Democrats lose the Senate race in Massachusetts tomorrow, we will get up, dust ourselves off, and start again. I'm a native-born Texan living in Texas; I am well aware that it's going to be a long-term struggle to put the USA back on the right path.

As for friend Brown...If (Heaven forbid) he wins tomorrow, it is my hope that a galvanized Massachusetts Democratic Party throws him out in the next election so fast that he'll make Rick Santorum look like someone with the political longevity of John C. Stennis.
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