Why is everyone so worried, the Administration has assured us the Left has nowhere else to go

[Toots]

They have to vote Democratic no matter how far to the Right the elected Democrats push things.. don't worry they would NEVER Lie to us..

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[cali]

2. I'm not worried about my fellow lefties near as much

as I'm worried about a resurgence of "Reagan Dems". Polls in MA indicate that something like 20% of dems may vote for brown. If that holds true, do you actually believe those are liberal dems?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Coakley ran a horrible campaign. She has baggage.

And the White House ignored it until the very end.

We SHOULD win, we May win, and it would be great if we win. But, as for holding my breath? That will be saved for my next dive into a pool.

[thunder rising]

22. And Tim Kaine should be fired. But by then we'll be looking forward again.

[Tailormyst]

8. Cali

I've just seen 4 dems, not even conservative ones, friends and family, post on facebook that they voted for brown, my stomach is churning. Something is bigtime broken and we need to fix it before november.

[cali]

15. I don't think we can just fix it. wish we could.

I think some pretty big forces enter into the whole thing. Part of it is the pendulum which is pretty reliable, but much of is darker and uglier than that; barely submerged racism mixed with economic insecurity and an almost existential angst. Not good. not good at all.

sorry to hear about your family and friends voting brown. that is upsetting.

:hug:

[thunder rising]

23. "We" cannot fix it. "We" did our jobs over the last eight years.

[NorthCarolina]

39. I think the Golden Opportunity has passed, killed by the politics of the DLC

They delivered precisely the opposite of what Obama campaigned on, and marginalized the Liberal faction within the Party, considering them little more than captive stooges. Conservative politics as usual...but hey, they do have all the $$ and the power, so it's clearly evident who's doing the laughing now.

[vi5]

4. What I find so funny....

...is that the left and progressives are dismissed as not mattering and insignificant when it comes to our elected leaders giving them what they want, yet they are apparently the ones to blame when turnout is low and democrats lose elections.

It can't be both. If they are that important than they should be listened to and have their needs and wants met. Especially since in many cases (the economy, healthcare, jobs, etc.), what they want is popular with a majority of voters and is proven to work.

If they aren't important or significant, then all these wonderfully moderate, centrist dems should have no problem winning withouth them. If winning over these conservative leaning independents is so easy then they don't need the left anyway and so they should bear no blame.

The fact is that there is a reason why the republicans in general don't try to piss off their teabagging right. Because they know they can't win without them.

[NightWatcher]

5. DING!

moderates dont volunteer or knock on doors

[cali]

7. really? so that's who I was blaming in my post upthread?

and there have been plenty of repubs who have pissed off the teabaggers- Lindsay Graham and others are constantly pissing them off.

generalizations are no substitute for analysis of a given situation.

[TankLV]

12. I love you dearly - but you just STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

What that poster wrote is EXACTLY why dems lose - and lose BIG at times!!!

[vi5]

20. Honestly...

I hadn't even read your post, so mine was made completely without reference to it. Not saying you personally are blaming anyone. I'm just saying it can't be both ways. If politicians want to throw their lot in with conservative leaning independents rather than liberal leaning independents then that's their choice. But they better be damn sure that those people will actually work for them and vote for them and donate to them in enough numbers that they can win. And if they don't, it can't be the fault of progressives.

And I'm not so naive to understand full that in some areas, in some states, and for some seats doing this is the only way to get a democrat elected. But it's not the way to run a national democratic party, it's not the way to win in most sections of the country, and it sure as hell is not the way to lead if you want to win the next round of elections.

[thunder rising]

24. And the very few exceptions don't make the rule! Sorry, you are incorrect.

[cali]

29. and one sentence declarations do not a cogent refutation make, dear.

try again.

[TankLV]

11. Finally - someone who GETS IT!!!

[joeybee12]

36. Agreed...it's their total dismissal of the left and progressives that

is galling...I don't think we're asking for everything, but at least something, and if youre not even going to do that AND insult us, then don't expect us to amrch lock-step with you.

[NorthCarolina]

41. The DLC wants your votes, NOT your politics. eom

[stray cat]

6. Progressives let Bush get elected twice - so I guess they don't mind the GOP in power

[NightWatcher]

14. we "let" bush get elected??? did we also cause global climate change and the earthquake?

[Lost4words]

17. dont let yourself get distracted by children.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. .

:evilgrin:

[Lost4words]

16. Bush stole it twice d-a

[OHdem10]

9. Since the Conservadems run the party, we have confirmed and

affirmed the GOP is right for the country. We have
turned the country over to Republicans long ago.

[Lost4words]

13. Its true! It has taken me years to get to this point.

we have two branches of 1 political party. Obamas greatest accomplishment will be getting elected as the first African American to the presidency. And that is very saddening to me.

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[Lost4words]

21. What are my options? Tell me Moderate dem? Please.

How have you and your ilk fixed things? Come on, without personal attacks this time little one!!

[cali]

25. first of all, sweetums, I'm a Bernie Sanders style progressive

not even remotely a moderate. didn't support Iraq don't support Afghanistan, didn't support the bailouts, so your premise about what I believe is flat wrong from the get go, honeypie.

Your options? don't know where you live, dumpling, but if you don't want to vote dem on the presidential level, vote for someone you do believe in even if it's a write-in or don't vote at all. better options than voting repuke, my little genius. duh.

[Lost4words]

31. you are still to the RIGHT of me darling little one

[thunder rising]

26. And the conversation has been reduced to ad hominem. Did not .. too ..not ... too

[cali]

28. um, that poster said he was going to vote republican to teach the dems a lesson

my response was fitting to his pronouncement and thus not an ad hominem.

[Lost4words]

33. i CANT review my post as it is deleted, But I never said teach a lesson.

and I never said I was absolutitly voting for a republican! I was saying that it dosent seem to make a difference. That is My Opinion and not a pronouncement. You rileup easily dont you bernie?

[cali]

34. bullshit. I copied your post.

wanna bet?

not only will I not vote dem I'll cross over

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I do have someplace else to go and even if it is detrimental in the long run, I'll will show how I feel about the statement that I have nowhere else to go with a great big FU to the DLC not by abstaining but voting for the opposition.

[closeupready]

18. Indeed, the left has nowhere else to go, so if Brown wins, the DLC is to blame.

n/t

[thunder rising]

27. More like Tim Kaine and the DNC. BTW, who fired Dean and put that underachiever in his place?

[closeupready]

35. I don't know, but that was a huge mistake.

n/t

[cali]

38. no one fired dean. he made it clear from the get go he wouldn't serve

once a dem was elected prez.

[thunder rising]

40. I was with Dean for a long time and I never got that message. It was a firing, plain and simple

Kicked to the curb.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. The left has nowhere else to go? They better think again.

In my state, we usually have more than 2 choices, and a write-in option.

But, it is amusing that they simultaneously deem us irrelevant and powerful enough to swing elections.

[rudy23]

37. As one poster said, Rahm's stance is "we don't need the left, but it's their fault if we lose."

Wailing on your own base, and mocking us in public has consequences.