So... Do You Think Anything Real Will Be Learned After All The Ass Covering Is Done ???

[WillyT]

As I said as an earlier response... I still have some hope for 2010, but I'm gonna need to see some major change first.

:shrug:

[mikehiggins]

1. WHy can't the Dems realise our issues are as important to us as

tea bagger's issues are to them? The TB'ers may not hold positions we think practical, or even sane, but they beleive them passionately and act on them. They would rather hold on to their principles than win without them. Why does the White House, et al, think the left is any less committed?

[Codeine]

2. One reason the may not think we are as committed

is that 22% of Dems voted for Brown.

[WillyT]

4. I Don't Have An Answer To That...

But they could start by not dismissing us out of hand, and telling us we have no other place to go.

:shrug:

[Raine]

6. They better start realizing that we don't have to go anywhere ...

on election day we can just sit at home.

[WillyT]

7. I'm Thinking About Having My Hair Done

:evilgrin:

[Raine]

8. LOL

:thumbsup: :D

[hvn_nbr_2]

3. No. nt

[pscot]

5. I've been watching, and voting for

Democrats for almost 50 years, and as near as I csn tell they haven't learned a damned thing in all that time, except how to behave more like Republicans.

[Hannah Bell]

9. Learn? The premise assumes that there's a need to learn anything.

There isn't. The calculation both parties use works just fine -- for them.

It's the people who need to study more.

Please, ask yourself -- did either the candidate or the party behave as though this election were critical?

[Political Heretic]

11. Hannah, while I'm usually with you, I'm not seeing quite eye to eye on this.

I don't think this loss was the product of strategic calculation by Democrats. Nor do I believe the hysteria going on in the Democratic party - the recriminations that started even before the polls had closed - is all just fake.

Further, I'd sort of argue that yes, the Republican Party seemed to take this election seriously. And the only reason Democrats didn't, I think, is because they are notoriously bad at politics (lol) and couldn't believe that Ted Kennedy's seat was in any real danger.

Democrats have no reason to want to purposefully lose a seat. And even though the interests represented in this insurance-care bill certainly aren't ordinary American families', they have more to lose (politically, in terms of their beltway power*) by losing the bill than they do by getting it passed. And I don't see how this loss helps them do that.

*I want the bill dead, as I've explained, because I care more about what I believe is best for low-income and working class individuals and families than I do about scoring cheap political victories for corporatist democrats. But is would still be a political loss for Dems.

[Hannah Bell]

13. I don't believe they're "bad at politics". We disagree on this one.

The pubs & dems don't need to win any particular election. They just need to trade off being the party in power, half in power, out of power. The voters will switch when they get fed up with one screwing them over, & vote for change, which is never much of a change.

The candidate went on vacation during her campaign. That's not "bad at poltics," that's "I don't care."

[Political Heretic]

10. I hope so, but I fear not.

[kayla9170]

12. I learned that voting in Federal Elections are

A real waste of my time. Let's see, 2 hours in line for Gore in 2000, 1 1/2 hours in line for Kerry in 2004 and 30 minutes in line for Obama in 2008 (voted later after the line was down due to volunteering at the local Obama headquarters)and no real reform can happen with health care because a state with a high majority population....with universal health care....voted down any opportunity for other states to have the same.

Yea, I am just going to stick with local elections from now on. No more voting in vain, no more voting for nationally for a party that has too many people in it that do not believe in my interest, no more standing in line when things are never going to change on a federal level, no more wasting my time....