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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:06 PM
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Obama's health care reform - R.I.P.
It will lie there dead in history just like Clinton's.

I suppose a lot of you are very happy about this.
And all it took was a Republican to take over Ted Kennedy's seat to make you happy.

I hope you all enjoy the skyrocketing rates of health insurance.
That is unless you join the ever increasing population that can't get health insurance in the first place and have to pay the skyrocketing rates out of their own pockets.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:08 PM
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1. Oh, please...
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:10 PM
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2. Obama's health care reform died a long time ago
It died when that POS package was passed in the House around Halloween.

Dennis Kucinich was right.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:29 PM
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13. +1 nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:12 PM
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3. If there's anything good in what you wrote, it will be the rising cost of health insurance.
By November, people will be FURIOUS about it and it's very obvious the GOP is responsible for standing in the way of reform.

The problem is, the Democrats will be too stupid/lazy to use it to their advantage.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:14 PM
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6. Oy...
...that's the worst-case scenario. If Beltway Dems know what's good for them, they'll tackle incremental but very progressive health care initiatives little by little until they get some framework for a good health insurance reform bill to be built on in 2011.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:23 PM
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8. The problem, of course, is Dems don't seem to know what's good for them!
Reforming health care little by little will go nowhere.

They're either going to have to shove something through now, or it's back to the Clinton years and their health reform. D.E.A.D.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:13 PM
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4. It was a bad bill anyway.
Any "reform" bill without a true public option of some sort is worthless, in my opinion.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:33 PM
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15. "Bad bill" is giving it way too much credit.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:13 PM
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5. Calm down
Even if the Senate version became law, the insurance companies will have a few years to continue to jack up rates and it will still leave 15 million uninsured to start with (and a growing number underinsured) and, per the CBO, 19 million uninsured by 2017.

So whether the insurance bill passes or not, access to health care will remain pretty much the same. You're getting all upset over nothing.



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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:15 PM
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7. I think Bernie Sanders is right. It's going to have to be done
state by state before the feds get involved.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:24 PM
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9. First of all, it wasn't health care reform, it was insurance reform
In addition, most of the "rule changes" about re-existing conditions and caps what not could have been passed by themselves with little fanfare and probably still can. The rest of the bill is garbage. An insurance lobbyists wet dream. You tell me how this bill from the Senate was going to make insurance more affordable and control costs. They did have a chance to pass sweeping reform. The people were ready for it, the politicians were not. They thought it could be business as usual, talk out their asses while the lobbyists wrote the bill in the next room. Wrong. People don't like to be flim flammed. You talk the talk then at the end of the day fold like a lawn chair. It's phony. People hate it. That's what the Senate did and they are paying the price.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:24 PM
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10. Bullshit, take advice from my post about the puke lurkers
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:26 PM
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11. Rates will skyrocket with mandatory buy in as well.
The Health Insurance profit reform is not a good idea, but I wouldn't go so far as to vote for a teabagger like 22% of the Democrats did in Mass.
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:27 PM
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David Shuster is tweeting that the Public Option lives again
David Shuster is tweeting that the Public Option lives again

he is going to have a report on it tomorrow morning at 10am

http://twitter.com/DavidShuster

Public option lives again. Dems ready HCR reconciliation. http://tiny.cc/LQhc9 We have additional reporting that will air 10am tomorrow.
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:27 PM
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12. David Shuster is tweeting that the Public Option lives again
David Shuster is tweeting that the Public Option lives again

he is going to have a report on it tomorrow morning at 10am

http://twitter.com/DavidShuster

Public option lives again. Dems ready HCR reconciliation. http://tiny.cc/LQhc9 We have additional reporting that will air 10am tomorrow.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:29 PM
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14. This election didn't kill it, if its dead.
It was killed by Harry Reid and my fellow moderates, whom I SO disagree with on this for sure, by wanting to play by rules that repugs never do when they are in power!
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