Should Rahm resign by tomorrow morning?

[Faryn Balyncd]

[Captain Hilts]

1. The president likes him. Not going to happen. nt

[leftstreet]

2. Fire his ass

n/t

[lob1]

3. If there is a God! Unfortunately, I'm an atheist.

[niyad]

4. seppuku?

[maglatinavi]

7. seppuku???

Please explain...

[Electric Monk]

9. seppuku

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=seppuku

[Xenotime]

55. Why dind't you just post the link to the Google search itself..

[niyad]

11. hara-kiri

[Javaman]

57. rip torn. nt

[IndianaGreen]

10. It is the only honorable way to go!

[Dr.Phool]

31. But, Rahm has no honor.

French Revolution Severance Package.

[IndianaGreen]

34. The blade is better used on Mister Lieberman

it is the only way to get him out of his committee chairmanship.

Let Rahm run for mayor of Chicago. Rahm is a lot cleaner than the Daileys.

[Faryn Balyncd]

42. Chicago sounds good.

:hi:

[CanonRay]

52. With a dull blade

[Hardrada]

5. Yes....but I wish this were a poll.

[frazzled]

6. What in the name of Beelzebub does ....

Rahm Emanuel have to do with any of this?

You folks picked yourself your goat and have lost your freaking minds. He's the Chief of Staff, for christ sake, not the fucking micromanager of state elections. Get a grip on reality, kids.

Blame yourselves: what did you do for this senate race?

[maglatinavi]

12. frazzled??

... are you in Limbo or what??? Get down to earth!!!
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks:

[KittyWampus]

17. he is the equivalent in some DU'ers minds to the Clenis.

[chimpymustgo]

51. OMG. Great post. Make it an OP.

[whathehell]

54. Minus the Charm...

:eyes:

[donheld]

22. Yes you are. Totally frazzled. Get with it

Letting the focus totally be on Wall-Street and pissing on mainstreet. Yes that was Rahm.

[frazzled]

25. I am what?

Certainly not nuts.

Some people just have to have a fundamentalist explanation or conspiracy theory for everything, because their tiny little brains can't understand complexity.

[donheld]

29. No not nuts just full of shit.

[frazzled]

35. Well, as long as we're being childish: ditto and double it

[Sebastian Doyle]

46. What does Beelzebub have to do with Rahm Emanuel?

Well, they're father & son, for one thing. :evilgrin:

[laughingliberal]

74. +1 nt

[whathehell]

56. Rahm's middle name is "dlc"...In fact he may be to the right of that

It is rumored that he gets repubs to run as Democrats...Not "converts" them, mind you..Just gets them to falsely cast themselves as dems.

In Illinois, he was quite instrumental in pulling the party backing for Christine Cegalis, a progressive candidate who was a "known quantity" and who was polling nicely, in favor of a "moderate" unknown, Tammy Duckworth who subsequently lost....He's come right out and said that "progressives have no place to go" and are are "irrelevant".

[laughingliberal]

75. Let's not forget the ads progressive groups ran to support a PO were, "fucking stupid." nt

[whathehell]

81. Yeah...and now that we lost Mass and SO much of the enthusiasm of the Dem Base

We can tell him how "fucking stupid" his politics are!

Effing A, he thought Dean's 50 state strategy was "stupid" too...Good thing Obama didn't diss THAT!...Good for BO, at least..I've been wondering just how good it was for US.

[uponit7771]

62. They're talking about the mythical Rahm not the CoS Rahm

[flyarm]

8. absolutely..but i would rather he be fired! K&R..eom

[cascadiance]

Firing him would be a BETTER approach to HELP Obama's poll ratings!

[Codeine]

13. Why?

He doesn't run elections. Martha Coakley was the one to be fired, and the voters just did.

You guys have demonized this guy so much you're starting to see him behind every bad thing that happens.

[REP]

38. RAHM EMMANUEL ATE MY BABY

[laughingliberal]

76. Maybe not every bad thing but I think his advice to the President has been piss poor

I may be naive but I have a real hard time believing that Barack Obama came up with the idea that insulting the liberal members of the party is great strategy. MA race or not, I think that strategy is "fucking stupid." Hopefully, the President will decide that's not working for him and do something about it. It could happen. Even Bush wised up and fired Rumsfeld, eventually.

[KittyWampus]

14. Why? Apparently Rahm Emmanuel is to some freaky DU'ers what Clinton's cock was to the Freepers

[jgraz]

19. Wrong. Clinton's cock was at least useful for something.

[KittyWampus]

21. The fact Obama's getting stuff done proves Rahm is probably quite effective.

[flyarm]

37. this is who and what Rahm is to many Democrats

and i would bet it was a good deal the reason 20% of Dems crossed over in todays election!

Rahm Emanuel Tells Liberals To Kiss His Arse

And denying it will not make it go away!..many many long time democrats..hard working democrats for and with the party for a long ,long time.. will never forget what he said,.including me!

[donheld]

23. .

:eyes:

[laughingliberal]

77. More like a Rovian character

And we happen to think President Obama is better than that and doesn't need an evil asshole who is politically sociopathic advising him.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. Out of curiosity

WHY?

Did he have something to do with the loss in Massachusetts? Last I looked, he was Obama's WH Chief of Staff and wasn't AFAIK involved in organizing/managing Coakley's campaign. Did I miss something?

I swear, some people here are convinced that he is almost as bad (and Machiavellian) as Rove was- and hate him nearly as much. To some, he is the source of all evil in the Democratic Party right now. Some people here stoop so low as to argue (seemingly with a straight face) that Rahm is Grima Wormtongue and has President Obama in his thrall- almost as though Obama has no ability to think for himself and that he is allowing Rahm to make all of the important decisions behind the scenes or something. It's bordering on ridiculous at times IMHO. :tinfoilhat:

[TorchTheWitch]

32. it is ridiculous - he's the scapegoat

Rahm is blamed by those that can't bring themselves to blame Obama. That simple.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

68. I disagree. Rahm is blamed by the same people whom blame Obama for all of our ills IMHO

In fact, some people believe that all of our problems stem from Obama's appointment of him as his COS. Also, Obama almost certainly has no desire (nor reason) to fire him.

[TorchTheWitch]

71. not at ALL

He's blamed by the people that can't bring themselves to believe he's doing what Obama wants... the people that love Obama and just can't or won't believe that Rahm is doing Obama's bidding. And I'm not talking about the Senate election in Mass, I'm talking about EVERYTHING. That's WHY Rahm is even brought up at all every time people are pissed about something the admin does... they lay it at Rahm's feet as if he's a shadow pres and either he hypmotized Obama or Obama is just too naive to know what he's doing or too weak to stop him.

You just said yourself that some people believe all our problems stem from Rahm as if Obama was somehow hoodwinked about what he's up to or can't control him when the simple reason is that Rahm does Obama's bidding, therefore, the problem is not Rahm, it's Obama... and the REASON Rahm is blamed is to avoid blaming Obama. The people that blame Obama just say so... they have no need to blame Rahm or anyone else in the admin in order to avoid blaming Obama.

[laughingliberal]

78. I think that's true for the most part but I do question this insult the left strategy

I really have a hard time believing the President came up with that. He may be more centrist or even right wing than most of us but I just don't get him thumbing his nose at us. I think advisers can and do push Presidents at times and inside the beltway bubble the stupidest ideas start to sound okay. I could be wrong and I don't trust Obama not to sell out to the right after watching the HCR debacle but I just don' think this antagonization of the left was his baby.

[tavalon]

80. Actually, I blame Obama for having made such a bad choice for Chief of Staff

I blame Rahm for every thing else. And I really hate that I can't spell his last name right.

[tavalon]

79. Actually, he's worse

We knew Rove was dangerous. Rahm seems to be on our side, but he isn't. He's on his own side, just like Rove. Our sociopaths aren't any better than their sociopaths but they don't carry neon signs to help us know them. That's more dangerous.

Obama doesn't seem to have the stomach for adversity and Rahm has way too much stomach for it. He revels in it.

[Codeine]

16. delete dupe

[donheld]

18. By 7:00 am EST

and not letting the door hit him on the ass on the way out. Oh hell, let the door smack him square on his nasty behind.

[Dinger]

20. No. Too Long Of A Wait (nt)

[blue neen]

24. I'll tell you what I think after you tell us what YOU think.

Go ahead. You go first.

[Faryn Balyncd]

27. Wasn't I tranparent enough?

:hi:



:kick:





:kick:

[blue neen]

28. Absolutely, but you still didn't answer the question.

:hi:

What's your opinion?

[Faryn Balyncd]

41. Well....

...I think corporatism is wrecking America. And I don't think the voters like Democratic corporatism any better than Republican corporatism. Unfortunately, that's the kind of politics Rahm does. We placed much too much priority on getting "the best bill we can pass" passed, even when the bill became so compromised that it was bad for the American people, going in the wrong direction, establishing a precedent of the wrong kind of reform, one that would be more difficult, if not impossible to rectify in the future.

And I think that kind of corporatism (& the rejection of it by the voters) is now threatening to destroy the Democratic Party.

I think Obama made a wrong choice with Rahm, but has judgment & leadership to make a correction.

So yes, I think Rahm should go.

What's your opinion?



:hi:

[blue neen]

48. Okay. Thank you.

I think the President was naive in thinking that he could work in a bipartisan way on the health care initiative. I also think he was given bad advice, particularly by Rahm Emanuel. He urged Obama to include the insurance companies, because of how Big Insurance and Big Pharma destroyed the Clinton's try at health care reform.

What Rahm didn't realize though, is that the times had changed. The PUBLIC was ready for a change in our health care systems this time, as opposed to when the Clintons tried it.

I too, am completely sick of corporate America and agree with you that Obama has the judgment and leadership to make a change. Rahm needs to find a different job.

[Faryn Balyncd]

63. Dialogue is amazing.....

I agree with everything you say!


:hi: :-) :-)

[TBF]

64. Might be their only chance of pulling it together.

Ship is sinking fast, and Rahm was never a good pick.

[upi402]

26. yes

and he should give me his stuff on his way out too.
don't let the door hitya where the lord splitya!

[old mark]

30. Should, yes. Won't, though. He will blame the left and will move the

administration farther right. We have no voice, no representation. Might as well go back to the game room, pass the time till we can get a real Democrat as president. The current guy is a waste of space.


mark

[JVS]

33. Obama should send him to Gitmo!

[regnaD kciN]

36. More like "by ten months ago tomorrow morning"...

:spank:

[bobbolink]

73. I read through first to see if anyone said what I was going to say.

You said it right on the button!

"Out, damned spot!"

[gristy]

39. As blue neen says. I dunno.

What do YOU think? And why?

[StreetKnowledge]

40. He should be fired.

And then ejected from the Democratic Party, permanently.

[Jim Lane]

43. Absolutely not. We want him to have the whole day, and Thursday if needed, to clean out his desk.

We want to make sure that not the slightest trace of him remains behind.

Give him until close of business Thursday. On Friday the fumigation teams go in. Then on Monday the office is ready for a new occupant.

[harun]

58. +1

[Vidar]

44. Yes, but he won't

[Blue-Jay]

45. Why is this Rahm's fault?

Disclaimer: I'm no fan of his, but I don't get the connection that you're trying to make.

[w4rma]

47. Yes. But Rahm isn't man enough to. Right now he is scheming about how to blame someone else

for the problems he created. He's spending our money, not to help the nation, but to try to divert blame onto someone undeserving of it. I want that little twerp gone!

[depakid]

49. His work won't be done until November, 2010

when he reprises his 1994 strategy.

(cynical- but maybe not off the mark, given the man's tone deaf arrogance. We shall see).

[S_E_Fudd]

50. Only if you think Obama should resign too...

Rahm doesn't do anything Obama doesn't want done...

This defeat can be laid squarely at the feet of Senate Democrats...

[freddie mertz]

53. And who put so much faith in the Senate Democrats in the first place?

That was the single most damaging political mistake made by this White House.

Handing over HCR in the Senate to Baucus and Conrad, with the charge to pursue a "gang of six" negotiation with three useless, treacherous Repubs, signaling a willingness, even an eagerness, to drop key policy positions in the name of ""bipartisanship."

In the end, this strategy made the ghastly, corrupted, graveyard figures of Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman the public faces of Health Care Reform.

After the recent debacle, I think we need a scapegoat or two to take the fall for this.

Start with Tim Kaine.

I also agree that Rahm would be an excellent choice for public humiliation and dismissal, because he is despised by at least half of the party, and exemplifies the DLC strategy that brought us to this fall.

Ben, Joe, and Max are the others who should be sent to guillotine.

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

[Skidmore]

59. Yes, and he can take Geithner and Zeke with him.

[DisgustedInMN]

60. Resign? Nope, he should be fired...

... in front of the entire nation. Along with Gietner, Summers and the rest of the DLC Democons.

[The Backlash Cometh]

61. He should have resigned yesterday,

[Arkana]

65. I'm going to assume that you're implying what happened in MA

was his fault, and I'll be the first to tell you you're full of shit.

[Kitty Herder]

66. Yes. Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen. nt

[progressoid]

67. Sure, but not for this election.

That would be just stupid.

[MrMickeysMom]

69. Now...

Does "now" work for you?

It does for me.

[Hawkeye-X]

70. Rahm needed to resign the day he was appointed.

and go being a dogcatcher in Greenland.

Hawkeye-X

[tavalon]

72. No

Tonight.:evilgrin:

[Generator]

82. My husband thought I was crazy when

I was screeching it was over (any real change) when he picked Rahm. Now he agrees. Obama and Rahm are one entity unless Rahm has a blow job or something.