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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:17 AM
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Going from 60 to 59 is no big deal.....
...as lots have said, we weren't REALLY at 60 anyway because of Joe Lieberman (and to a lesser degree some others).


It wouldn't be a big deal if this were a seat in a red or purple state.


What makes it a big deal is that it was in Massachusetts and was Teddy's seat.


It's the equivalent of Democrats winning Strom Thurmond's seat in South Carolina six months after he died.


It's not that the Republicans won a match... it's that they won an away game.



If just about any other seat went from Dem to GOP, it would be not as big a deal.





I've got one thing to say to Senator Byrd... stay healthy, old friend. Because that seat will flip to the GOP a helluva lot easier than Teddy's did.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:19 AM
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1. and we might end up losing 5 or 6 more in '12
I was stunned to see that Feingold might even be in "trouble":grr:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:24 AM
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2. 60 meant nothing when you realize that Holy Joe was included.
Today is a good day to tell him to suck a fuck. (Sadly, it ain't gonna happen, because the Big Dems are cowards)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:28 AM
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3. That would be true if the seat we lost today was Ben Nelson's....
...or some other "red state" seat.

The fact that it was Teddy's seat in a deep blue state is the troubling part.



Means that NO seats are safe if the midterms were held today. NONE.



The good news is that 10 months is an eternity in politics.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:44 AM
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5. No seats are safe if you run a crappy campaign
even in a bright red or blue state
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:05 AM
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7. Except…
the commentators keep pointing out that Massachusetts isn't really a Blue state.

It's 51% Independent.
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:42 AM
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4. plus...the health care bill is scary anyway
nonetheless...dems blew it
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:54 AM
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6. Thanks for pointing that out about Lieberman
I keep hearing about the "filibuster proof majority" on the media, which was never there in the first place. Today is bad though, I can't wait to find out what really happened. Was it about jobs? HRC? Something tells me it was bigger than the local race.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:10 AM
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8. From what I've seen,
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 04:10 AM by TicketyBoo
they voted for a guy running around the state in a pickup truck, pretending to me a good ol' boy, "Joe the Plumber" type, shaking hands, kissing babies, asking for votes.

They got hornswoggled.

Also, Coakley seemed to think she was "above" campaigning (or, at least, acted like that's what she thought). Big mistake.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:29 AM
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10. "What really happened"...
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 05:32 AM by regnaD kciN
...at least in my opinion, is somewhat psychological: modern Americans' insistence on instant gratification.

We knew, on a surface level, that we had gotten into a massive mess during the Bush years. For God's sake, when Obama took over, it looked like we were in store for a second Great Depression! And we were warned, over and over, that fixing the mess would take time. But, in our heart of hearts, we didn't believe it. We (the American people) expected a miracle -- that Obama and the Democrats would come in, take over, pass some key legislation, and -- poof! -- things would be instantly back to where they were when unemployment was low, the Dow was topping 14,000, ordinary people could supposedly make millions "flipping" old houses, and there was a chicken in every pot and a big-screen plasma HDTV (bought on credit, which everyone conveniently forgets) in every family room. Now, a year later, when everything isn't back to the good old days (although they have undeniably improved since the winter of 2008-09), people are directing their blame, not at the leader and party who got us into this mess, but the leader and party who aren't getting us out fast enough. The key framing is, to parody another right-wing Republican of the past, "are you better off than you thought you were four years ago?" If not, the answer is clear: pay no attention to the Bush (who's he?) behind the curtain, just throw the current bums out! If Obama didn't provide total and instantaneous success, then his Presidency can be summarily judged a "failure" after only a few months.

And, while this is true of Americans as a whole, it is especially (sadly) true for us grassroots Democrats. Obviously, we expected miracles as well -- that Obama would be able to institute a sweeping progressive agenda as if by magic. We'd have universal health care with a robust public option (if not single-payer) and no individual mandate. Finance reform would put all the leaders of the "too big to fail" banks behind bars. Credit card reform would bring back usury laws and put a cap on interest rates. We'd get a gigantic stimulus plan that would put everyone back to work that sought it -- and in good jobs with high wages. We'd have a climate-change bill that could have been drafted by the Sierra Club. And so on. And then, when our dreams collided with reality (because any president, no matter how gifted and intelligent, still has to get his ideas through Congress, and, in particular, win 60 votes in the Senate from people like Lieberman, Nelson, and Lincoln), Obama became not only someone who couldn't deliver all our dreams instantaneously, but a "traitor" and "corporate sellout" who was "just as bad as Bush." :eyes:

Sorry to seem so harsh, but, if there's been a problem in American politics over the past few decades, it's been that demand for instant gratification, a trait normally found those who lack "emotional intelligence." That impatience can pay dividends, if you're out of power and the party in power stumbles (as we saw well enough in 2006 and 2008). But it will come back to bite everyone in the end, as the nation will continue to see-saw between parties and philosophies, each time looking for the "quick fix" that simply isn't there, and then repudiating their previous "man on a white horse," when he (like everone else) proves incapable of providing that complete fix right now!!!

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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:03 PM
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12. I think that's a pretty good analysis. Another factor I see:
Is the hero complex. Basically we all grew up in this incredibly TV and movie centered world, and its trained us, so when we see bad things we sit in our seats and wait for the hero to come clean it up as happens in movies. This makes us both passive, and it gives incredibly high expectations when somebody stands up and tries to do anything. We miss the lessons from reality, like the actual heros on flight 93, who only managed to crash the plane they were flying on before it hit a building. In Hollywood they all would have survived and been awarded metals, but real heroism often means sacrificing a lot to get a little.

But really, that's just a cultural trend. Its been that way forever. I'll tell you what really scares me though: What if America has entered a time where hard choices have to be made, but the partisan divide and cultural trends we mentioned persist? The obvious outcome is that candidates from either side will come in and try to make the hard changes, and promptly be rejected by voters because they are asking too much. Eventually the politicians who come out on top are not the ones who actually make any changes, but the ones are successful at avoiding blame for the ongoing decline of America. Its an ugly picture but it looks way too possible in this political climate...
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:28 AM
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9. They didn't win shit. nt
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Knockout Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:30 AM
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11. Not Teddy's Seat = The People's Seat
This liberal elite mentality is why we lost in Mass

Never take ANY race for granted
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