Pssstt... Barack...a few Democrats want to speak with you.

[kentuck]

Everybody does not love you. In fact, some people hate your guts.

Number one, we wanted a divorce from George W Bush. We wanted he and Cheney investigated. We didn't want his policies accepted and continued. We wanted the illegal spying stopped. We wanted the wars to end.

Number two, the people wanted healthcare reform, not health insurance pay-offs. People expected their costs to go down, not up. Simplify it. Pass something to protect people with pre-existing conditions. Pass a portability amendment. Prohibit the caps on serious illnesses. Pass the things that are very popular with the people and forget the rest of the complexities. Dare the Republicans to vote against it. Demand they get it done by spring break.

Number three, the people do not like you cuddling up to Wall Street. They do not like your picks of Larry Summers and Tim Geithner, Wall Street insiders. You chose the wrong side.

Number four, the people did not want Bob Gates and General Petraeus still in charge of military and defense matters. If we had wanted that, we could have just appointed George W Bush to a third term.

Lastly, people outside of Wall Street, are hurting. They need jobs and assistance. We need to start acting like Democrats that are for the people and divorce ourselves from George W Bush, Big Business, and Wall Street.

That is all. Is that too much to ask?

[Hawkeye-X]

1. Dude, you better make this a journal entry, kentuck!

:hi: :hug:

[DrDan]

2. I think your "hate your guts" comment is a bit over the top

the rest? well - pretty much on-target.

[jgraz]

4. Really? Have you *seen* the Teabaggers?

:shrug:

[DrDan]

8. well . . . they hate everyone . . . so they don't count

[dgibby]

37. If they vote, they count. n/t

[tomm2thumbs]

118. that speaks volumes! /nt

[uponit7771]

11. Do any adults take them seriously?!

[kentuck]

17. You better take them seriously.

They beat your ass in MA last night.

[w8liftinglady]

21. um..come to Texas sometime..they have multiplied like rabbits

[eilen]

114. Tell me about it,

there are about 8 meet up groups that self identify with Glenn Beck, teabaggers, or 9/12 in my community alone-- more numerous than the Moms groups, crikey.

and btw, no liberal political groups on meet up

[JDPriestly]

122. Then start a liberal political group in your town.

[peace frog]

139. Don't I wish

but in my neck of the woods, the only one(s) joining would be intelligence officer(s) from a few of the local police depts.
Kinda sucks living in Flori-duh Teabagger Central.

[dixiegrrrrl]

115. They are a majority here, too.

Can't spell, but they do vote...early and often.

[krabigirl]

85. No, imo no true adults do, but the stupid M$M does. And most of our populace rop

are not adults. Just big crybabies.

[onpatrol98]

111. Martha's Campaign Does

Yes...at least one state is taking them more seriously after yesterday.

[hay rick]

120. Adults- a vanishing species.

[Golden Raisin]

129. Discount and laugh at your peril

both Palin and the Teabaggers, especially if there's another big 9/11-esque terror attack here.

[KittyWampus]

65. the Opening Post CLEARLY refers to DU'ers. It does not allude to Republicans at all.

[kentuck]

70. You assume it referred to DUers...

I was not thinking of DUers when I wrote it.

I was not thinking of Democrats "hating" the President when I wrote that there are some people that hate your guts. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

[DrDan]

76. that is the way I read it also - and why I called it "over the top"

[kentuck]

78. Why?

Are we all in a DU insulated bubble where everything is meant to refer to DUers??

[DrDan]

80. no - just connecting that first line with the Subject line - sounded to me

like the ones that "hate his guts" are some of the D's that want to have a chat with him

[mmonk]

33. Have you seen all the teabagger signs or heard of all the death threats?

[DrDan]

42. yes - and I acknowledge their hate

I thought the OP referred to those on the left.

There have been many claims of "hate" from those here who simply criticize the administration.

yes - their is definite hate from the teabaggers.

[BurtWorm]

61. Disagree.

Don't forget the Ku Klux wing of the Republican Party.

[Chan790]

116. Nah, I've pretty much zero use left for Obama anymore.

I'm likely to support ABOGOP (Anybody but Obama or GOP) in 2012 at this point unless this is treated as a turning-point for this regime...make no mistake, last night was a referendum on Obama as much as it was a poor candidate's culmination in blowing a virtually-cakewalk race. If they don't take the need to take a 180-degree turn to heart (and I do mean start firing people like Tim Geithner, Larry Summers and Rahm Emmanuel and taking a different tact on policy and with Congress) then they're completely dead-to-me.

I'll vote socialist before I'll vote for more of this crap.

I don't hate him...I don't think enough of him to that strong of feelings about him.

[Jennicut]

3. People want populism. That can be indies and progressives.

Obama needs to tap into that.

[glitch]

74. He really does. Republicans have a full year's lead on him.

The fact that their populism is phoney apparently doesn't matter.

[Jennicut]

81. Oh, it is beyond phoney. Obama needs to deliver actual, real populist ideas.

[glitch]

82. If he does he'll save his presidency, this country and quite possibly the planet. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

79. +1 K&R

[arthritisR_US]

109. I do not hate Obama's guts but I do hate some of his spineless behaviours. Therein

lies my only exception to your post. The rest is dead on and well said!! :kick:

[msongs]

5. he's too busy trying to be loved by republicans who hate him. or playing golf nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. heh. Right.

:evilgrin:

[sweettater]

6. Thanks

looks like you have it all covered.

[TwilightGardener]

7. I'm fine with Gates and Petraeus. They're competent.

[kentuck]

15. That is debatable.

Gates was up to his eyeballs in the Iran-Contra mess. Petraeus gets more credit than he deserves for the "surge". The people we bribed had already decided to stop working with the Qaeda.

[TwilightGardener]

24. I know--but I judge them by their performance now. Gates is pretty well-respected

in the military, despite being a bit of a hard-ass. Neither man seems to undermine Obama or unduly pressure him on decisions. I appreciate that.

[liberation]

95. It is taking Gates and Petraeus almost longer to catch a six foot jackass with failing kidneys

than it took my grandpa's generation to finish WWII. And WWII involved actual countries, with actual battle hardened troops, you know... like the ones who actually put a fight.

Color me unimpressed.

[Lerkfish]

105. if I could recommend just a post, i would rec this one.

[lib2DaBone]

107. Cass Sunstein..IS THAT YOU? How's it going?

Say.. I need a job. How much are they paying per OP post these days?

[Ken Burch]

101. If they were competent, we wouildn't still be FIGHTING in Iraq

n/t.

[Webster Green]

136. They are both chimp-licking idiots.

Gates should have been fired immediately. Petraeus sent to Alaska to guard Palin's house from Putin.

And all of the war-chimp's goons in the Justice Dept. should have been fired as well. :wtf:

[uponit7771]

9. More hate and singular perspective, big unrec..

[truebrit71]

92. Excellent points! HUUUUUGE Rec...

..

[Juche]

10. Number six, people don't pay attention

90% of voters have no idea who Larry Summers is, nor do they understand even the basics of the health reform bill.

People respond to sound bites, values and frames. The democratic party sucks at all 3.

[uponit7771]

12. +1!!!

[JDPriestly]

124. People do not feel that the economy is being handled right.

So, whether they know who Larry Summers is or not is irrelevant.

[Juche]

126. How should they handle it?

That is the problem. Most people (including me) don't know enough about economics to make policy wonk decisions. People respond to sound bites, values and frames.

Right now the frame and values of the democratic party is they are weak, ineffective, unable to fight destructive powers, and unwilling to do major lifting for average people.

[katandmoon]

13. K&R

[treestar]

14. Tell the mass. Indies, who are more worried about the deficit than

getting any of that passed.

[fasttense]

18. And while you're at it fire all those bushies in the Justice Department and appoint

real liberals.

By the way, I don't care if you go on vacation now and then. I know your job is very stressful and that you are working even while you are on vacation, unlike the bushes. You could never vacation as much as the bushes did.

[flyarm]

19. I said last night pretty much the same thing here>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7513194

[kentuck]

22. Yes, you did.

And I agree very much with your post.

[flyarm]

26. and so did you ..oh and I K&R'ed your thread..dead on OP!! n/t

[xiamiam]

20. my issues covered ..just need to expand on one

Initiating ineffective programs..like the Obama loan modification plan..and then no follow thru is equal to not having a plan at all. Millions are affected and inaction will lead to millions more being affected. It is a crying shame.

thanks Kentuck, one little step in the direction of resolving any of these would bolster confidence..as it is, I have none..and I wont readily forget the Afganistan war escalation speech either..chilling in its familiarity...

[liberal_at_heart]

23. Well said

[newtothegame]

25. Nothing Obama did before running for President should have given you the impression...

that any of this would happen. WE'RE the ones with the problem, not Obama, for thinking "historic" meant "change."

[kentuck]

27. After 8 years of Bush and Cheney....

if the President did not realize that, then he was more out of touch than even you say.

[NorthCarolina]

28. Pretty much sums things up correctly except for the gut hating part

I hate Obama's DLC style corporate conservative politics, and I dislike the fact that he hid this conservative agenda during the primaries by playing to populist ideas, but hating someone's guts might be a bridge too far. One thing I can say for sure though, fool me once, shame on you.....but there won't be a twice.

[kentuck]

30. I don't think Democrats hate his guts...

But there are people that do, most specifically, the "tea-baggers"? Have you heard some of the things they have said??

[freddie mertz]

48. OP was referring to the teabaggers, I am sure. nt.

[xiamiam]

32. not this time...nt

[daa]

29. And we did NOT want to own GM and Chrysler

especially since GM is going back to pickup trucks becuase that is the big money.

[jotsy]

31. Well said Mr Tuck!

Big kick!

[closeupready]

34. Major K&R.

n/t

[Myrina]

35. kick

Damn Straight!

[xchrom]

36. Recommend

[Greybnk48]

38. K&R

[dgibby]

39. I would only add:

Kick Rahm to the curb, sooner rather than later. As long as the Dem version of Lee Attwater is in the WH, we won't have a snowball's chance in hell of repairing the rift in the Party.

[scubadude]

40. K&R, I would add 5) Dems didn't expect you to surround yourself with Republicans...

Your "Team of Rivals" has led to great weakness in your administration, especially concerning progressives.

Scuba

[alberg]

41. Called both my Senators and Congressman this morning

and told them that the message from Massachusetts is that Americans want real HealthCare reform, not mandated giveaways to the Insurance Companies, jobs, and a regulated Wall Street that prevents bankers from holding our economy hostage. That means moving to the "left", not the "right".

[HughMoran]

43. Yes, "hate your guts" talk about our own side is what we need right now

Your posts are more and more negative - enjoy it with the angry people that give you recs and make you feel popular.

What do I think? I think your post sucks and doesn't do anything but promote a negative atmosphere here.

[kentuck]

44. That's quite an assumption on your part?

Talk about negativity! Nobody thinks the Democrats hate the President? Why would you jump to that conclusion?? There are people that hate his guts.

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[kentuck]

47. There is an ignore button.

Stop talking bullshit and hit it. I try to post information that I think people are thinking about. I'm sorry you think it is "flinging shit".

[HughMoran]

49. Nope.

We're not allowed to "turn-off" the right-wing, neither will I ignore those who rant on and on and do nothing more than inflame resentment toward Democrats.

[kentuck]

50. Some people can't handle the truth.

Others don't wish to. Their Party, right or wrong.

[HughMoran]

51. Anybody who claims to know the "truth"

...is not somebody I tend to take very seriously.

[kentuck]

52. Do you actually believe that..?

to be the truth? So you don't even listen to yourself, right?

[HughMoran]

56. Are you the arbiter of "truth"

Can anybody disagree with your without you getting all bent out of shape?

:rofl:

Of course I believe in dialog about what is the real core of the issue - do you?

[kentuck]

60. I am a proponent of the "truth"..

I will let others decide if what I say has merit or not. Sometimes I am probably on target and sometimes I'm not. I don't consider myself or anyone else on this board an "arbiter of truth". However, many people get very close to the truth sometimes. And, like pornography, people recognize it when they see it. Sometimes it is uncomfortable.

[HughMoran]

62. "I will let others decide if what I say has merit or not."

Thank you - that's all I'm doing in posting a response to your post on a public political forum.

[kentuck]

64. I would recommend people backtrack to your initial responses.

I apologize if I was overly defensive.

[HughMoran]

68. We disagree here - doesn't bother me

I come on strong too when a conflict initiates - it's human nature.

[HughMoran]

54. You criticize X, I criticize you - it's what we do here

I hope you weren't expecting me to waive the pom-poms and "K&R!!11!!" a post I disagree with.

I hope you can handle being disagreed with - seems to me like you can't if you want me to "ignore" you.

Nope - you post stuff I disagree with - I will tell you. That's what political forums are all about.

[kentuck]

63. You're the one who said I was "flinging shit".

I was only responding. I have been here almost 9 years. I can handle the disagreement. I respect your right to disagree so long as you respect my right to respond to unfounded accusations.

[HughMoran]

69. Good, we respect each others right to disagree with each other

that's cool

[JDPriestly]

125. We aren't just criticizing. We have been suggesting policy changes

that will work and that will cause the Obama administration to succeed. We want Obama to succeed in changing the country for the better.

[Name removed]

133. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[xiamiam]

55. policy...not democrats..nt

[Zhade]

132. I'm pretty sure most people would wear your disapproval as a badge of honor.

I know I do.

[Winterblues]

53. There will always be one, don't let it get you down

I saw no negativity, in fact just the opposite. I saw a request for real Democratic action and I see nothing negative about that. Also because there is a portion of America that truly hates this president I don't see a problem with saying it out loud..

[kentuck]

57. Thanks, Winterblues.

peace

[HughMoran]

58. Saying "people hate you, make these changes or else"

...has no negative connotations?

Some people hate every politician - doesn't mean they should cow to the demands of each person who disagrees with them.

Ultimatums are bullshit.

[KittyWampus]

66. Your fucked up opening post clearly only refers to Democrats/DU'ers hating Obama's guts

reword it. Or ask the Moderators to lock this thread.

[kentuck]

71. You are wrong.

You jumped to the wrong conclusion.

[foxfeet]

45. K&R

[nightrain]

59. knr, except for the "hate your guts" bit.

Under healthcare, add "no age-related cost differentials" (age is also a pre-existing condition).

[KittyWampus]

67. so you recommend this despite the fact it clearly says in the first line of text

"hate your guts".

[kentuck]

72. Wow!

Amazing how the human mind works sometimes!

[Dr.Phool]

94. Some people have no reading comprehension.

They're so convinced that any criticism is hatred, they go off the deep end.

[nightrain]

73. I believe s/he's referring to the teabaggers not Dems.

[midnight]

110. That is the way I read it too....

[Ignis]

75. And that refers to whom, exactly?

The OP has given us his answer, but hey, if you know better then he, please elucidate.

[Hello_Kitty]

77. Jobless Recovery = Oxymoron eom

[DisgustedInMN]

83. That will send the cheerlears into...

... a frenzy, followed by a crying jag, I'm sure!

:fistbump:

[liberation]

97. ever since the DLC checks started bouncing...

... the ranks of the angry pomp pom squad are getting thinner and thinner

LOL

[Vidar]

84. K&R.

[MissDeeds]

86. Excellent rant

K&R

:kick:

[David Zephyr]

87. Honored to be the 94th Rec for this, Kentuck!

As long as Obama's continues surrounded by his corporate and warloving Cabinet, I don't see him listening to the people. They are his filter.

[Mike Nelson]

88. I hope he's reading this today. --nt

*

[kgnu_fan]

89. knr

[TBF]

90. Excellent. recommended. n/t

[Cowpunk]

91. It's not just Democrats

I've always believed that Obama's amazing success thoughout the primaries and the general election was due in large part to the fact that he was, more than any other candidate, the "Anti-Bush". This was reflected in his looks, his demeaner, his style, and certainly his policies.

Most of the country wanted a clean break from the Bush presidency in every way imaginable.

President Obama should have known that adhering too closely to Bush-era policies would prove a mistake. Emulating a politically disastrous administration will naturally result in political disaster.

[Historic NY]

93. Hey Barack can you hear us now? ?????????

[Fearless]

96. K&R!

[sandyj999]

98. K&R!

[matt819]

99. Took the words right out of my mouth

Great minds, and all that. I was about to post pretty much the same thing, but more limited and less well.

My message: Stop playing to the RW. They don't give a rat's ass about you or this country. They'd sell their grandmothers for the right price and then not even realize grandma was gone; they're that stupid. You cannot deal with people, like this Scott Brown, for example, who believe that his election was something greater than a referendum on your presidency. These people are deluded. Perhaps the vernacular will be better understood. Fuck them. You have a majority in the Senate. Use it for god's sake. Tell Harry Reid to get off his ass and start doing his job. Even if we were wrong and you are not a Progressive. Even if we were wrong and you were not even a liberal Democrat. Even if you are something of a centrist. You're smart. You care. The one problem, unfortunately, is that you're not tough enough. And that pains me. And I'd be more concerned about the future if I hadn't already given up and conceded that we are well on our way to becoming a third world theocracy.

[Geek_Girl]

100. K&R

:dem:

[SlingBlade]

102. Way To Go kentuck :) K & R for TRUTH !

[Lorien]

103. K & R!

[PuraVidaDreamin]

104. Great Post.

Thank you Kentuck!

[ProgressOnTheMove]

106. If he listens folks will turn up if he doesn't MA has just demonstrated November 2010...

I like him on a personal level, not everything about the President is unredeemable, but there is no denying the policy stinks and it's not a faint odor. It's not all his fault but it's time for him to do far more, or forget it.

[JDPriestly]

128. ProgressiveOnTheMove, I agree with you.

I really want Obama to find the right direction. I believe that he can.

I have wondered whether maybe he wasn't a bit scared to be president. Maybe he tried to find more experienced people to guide him and chose the wrong ones. I suspect that is the problem.

His policies don't fit his experience or his personality. As he emphasized at his inauguration, he was a community organizer in a rather low-income community. But his policies have not helped the kinds of communities to which he dedicated a part of his life. That's puzzling to me and indicates to me that his policies may not be his own.

I agree that he is in a really bad situation. But if he would approach his role more like that of a community organizer, and think more about the problems of all those people who are depressed and losing their jobs, their small businesses and their homes, he would find some better policies.

[Zhade]

134. I'm not a fan of him lying to our faces about "not" running on the public option.

NT!

[tom_paine]

108. well said. k & r

[deaniac21]

112. Insightful Mr. Kentuck

[ellie]

113. He doesn't care what we think

So, yes, it is too much to ask.

[bertman]

117. EXCELLENT. Thank you, Kentuck! Rec.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[MrMickeysMom]

119. Giving this one (and others like it) a HUGE THUMBS UP!

It pretty much says everything in a nutshell.

Permission to copy and send to Mr. President in my every month correspondence (with minor tweeks)?

:hi: Hell yeah

[emsimon33]

121. Ditto for me

[proud patriot]

123. Excellent post

:thumbsup: I hope he listens

[whatacountry09]

127. exactly!!!

Guess I should've read this before I posted my reply to the Ed Shultz & Robert Gibbs video... IT'S THE SAME!!!

[Zhade]

130. He should keep his promises to us. And not lie to our faces. Is THAT too much to ask?

I don't think it is.

K/R

[EmeraldCityGrl]

131. Obama kept his Blackberry, I hope he's reading this.

[justicia]

135. Believe...

I believed that Obama was a true fighter, someone who saw the
crude injustice and was eager to fight and defend the weak
ones, the poor ones.  I remember the day Obama was elected, I
was crying and thinking that I was finally going to see
justice, but I guess I was wrong.  I tend to be very
optimistic, but for some reason I don't feel that way about
this government.  I was laid off 12/17, I'm just applying for
unemployment it's humiliating.  

So Kentuck I applaud your courage to write this letter and
share what so many people are thinking/feeling.   We tend to
say "everything comes to an end"  I guess CORRUPTION
AND LIES will never end.

[midnight]

138. justicia it makes no sense for you or anyone else to go through this.

This trickle down nonsense is not working... I wish Obama would put our tax dollars into the peoples hands and not the corporations...

[Maghetti]

137. Public option

I still want a public option or medicare for all. I know its important to get that other stuff, and id be just fine with a splitting of the bill, but those things have to be done.

[seabeyond]

140. with ya. nt

[jonathan_seer]

141. excellent post, but did Gibbs hear it as he tried to shove the bullshit down Ed's throat?

One has to wonder after Watching Gibbs with Ed Shultz whether the White House's hubris is so deep that this loss will not be enough to make them understand leadership is NOT telling part of your base to basically said shut up sit down and believe what we tell you "this health bill is what you asked for..."
]

Just what a total pretentious, deaf, dumb and blind classic political hack he sounded like he doesn't seem to know.

He must have been hired by Rahm.

[swilton]

142. Thanks for the summation

It doesn't take pages upon pages of speaches and hours upon hours of news broadcasts to state the obvious....

Van Hollen, Pelosi, Reid, do you understand English?

[olegramps]

143. Obama better realize that his administration is in serious trouble.

The loss of the senate seat in Massachusetts is an unmitigated catastrophe and its importance can not be exaggerated.

No clearer signal could be given to this administration that it has lost the confidence of millions of people who believed that they were supporting a champion of the average working class citizen. No where is the loss of confidence more acute than among the young people who came out in unprecedented numbers to support Obama's election.

My friends and relatives who enthusiastically supported Obama express little more than profound disappointment and a growing disillusionment. There is a general malaise among my closest friends as they come to the realization that this administration appears to be unable to achieve any thing of significance. We can only take meager satisfaction that at least McCain and his ignoramus running mate were soundly defeated. Beyond that there is little else at the present time to applaud.

[zoff]

144. Actually, 800,000 voters in MA want a word with him.

The ones who didn't vote this time around.