Does anyone have any hard evidence against Rahm and why there'a more hatred of him than Obama here?

[uponit7771]

Jus sayin, don't know why this guy has become the board goat other than him being a DLC'r...


TIA

[still_one]

1. because people need a scape goat. It has been years since the Democratic party has been

on the same page, though each side believes that their views dominate

The key is learning to work together

Don't hold your breath, unless we get an extremely strong leader

[Bitwit1234]

21. NO NO NO...Obama is a lamb being led to slaughter

He is not political savvy. And he is showing it. He relies on
Rahm's decision and they are getting him in trouble. Rahm is corporate all the way. We see that he is steering Obama in that direction. So why shouldn't he be blamed. Obama needs to look around for a Democrat with the interest of the public and appoint them to the position.

[vi5]

2. Because Chiefs of Staff

are the ones seen widely as dictating the political direction and tone that an administration takes. Why did Rove get similar venom directed at him?

The presidents don't and shouldn't get off the hook, but Chiefs of Staff are the ones who have the most exclusive access to the president's ear and who call a lot of shots politically speaking.

And the fact is that Rahm is/was a DLC oriented, more corporate, third way type democrat. So when Obama starts leading that way as well and not taking political risks, and playing it safe and hewing his approach in a more pro-corporate, pro-big business manner, then the guy who A)Has the most exclusive access to his ear, and B) is also notoriously pro-corporate and pro-big business and dismissive of progressive ideals....then yeah it's actually no different than Rove getting a chunk of hatred during the Bush years.

[Divine Discontent]

4. +1

[bigwillq]

8. Good post.

:thumbsup:

[cali]

10. lol. hard to take you seriously when you don't even know that Rove wasn't

ever chief of staff. And it's ridiculous to think anyone ever thought Andy Card who actually was chief of staff for five years, was particularly powerful. He was followed by Josh Bolton.
As can be easily seen, it all depends who has the president's ear on policy.

[KittyWampus]

14. It just proves how utterly stupid some DU'ers are. They will try and foolish argument

just to keep their preconceived notions afloat.

[vi5]

17. Oh, so sorry "Deputy Chief of Staff".......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9308-2005Feb8.html

And I'm sure he really did nothing more than take orders from Andy Card, right. Because that's so his style. You know Rove. Sit back and let others call the shots.

[KittyWampus]

11. Who was Clinton's Chief of Staff? What an absurd idea. That so many DU'ers are so obsessed With Rahm

and will do anything to rationalize such foolish behavior is actually getting to be scary.

[cali]

13. including making up history and saying that the turd blossom was CoS.

[KittyWampus]

15. LOL! Andy Card really dictated Bush's agenda. It wasn't Cheney after all.

[SharonAnn]

16. 'Who hated Andrew Card? mm, Just sayin'

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. Being DLC isn't enough? nt

[QC]

5. Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? n/t

[court jester]

6. If you get some mail that smells like dead fish

probably best to refuse it






Rahm, Zeke and Ari
3 stooges that aren't funny

[DURHAM D]

7. To change the subject away from the real problem.

TRIANGULATION on steroids.

[kentuck]

9. Rahm made a fortune on Wall Street in a very short time...

and it only validated his corporate mind-set and he uses it like a sledgehammer in his present position. There will be no "left" recommendations as long as he has the ear of the President.

[OHdem10]

12. Fairly or unfairly, Rahm gets the blame for 2 reasons as I observe.

It is believed Rahm has most sway over the President.
Rahm has a reputation as being pragmatic and "flexible".
Example: It has been reported on TV that Rahm actually
sought out candidates(when he was in House) who were
pro-life.(I never understood his thinking). By bringing
in more Pro-Lifers he strengthened Stupak's hand on
the Abortion Issue. To a Liberal like me, going right
on this issue has created headaches. My opinion.

Having seen examples like this, creates the feeling that
Rahm does not seem to have a standard which would say
whoa, this is too far right to be a Democratic Administration.
If we can get the votes,any old bill will do. This
may not be fair but this seems to be where we are.

Loyalists to Obama find it much easier to blame Rahm
for everything than admit Obama has a responsibilty
to make up his own mind. They seem to prefer to believe
Obama is a puppet and Rahm pulls the strings.

[uponit7771]

19. Those are based on rumors not fact, our M$M is sloppy and doesn't source well

[NorthCarolina]

18. Here's a start

Rahm To Reid: Give Lieberman What He Wants
Rahm Emanuel visited Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his Capitol office on Sunday evening and personally urged him to cut a deal with recalcitrant Sen. Joe Lieberman, two Democratic sources familiar with the situation told the Huffington Post.

The White House denied the report. "The report is inaccurate. The White House is not pushing Senator Reid in any direction. We are working hand in hand with the Senate Leadership to work through the various issues and pass health reform as soon as possible," White House spokesman Dan Pfeiffer wrote in an e-mail to the Plum Line.

The report, however, according to the two sources, was entirely accurate. "We're long past time for these kinds of games," one source said. White House spokesman Reid Cherlin stuck to the denial: "Our statement is true," he said.

---&----

New York Times' Magazine profile of Harry Reid, January 12, 2010, sheds some new light on those {HCR} negotiations. According to sources in Reid's office, the Senator was ready to battle with Lieberman, who just two days later had told Reid he was on board with the caucus' approach. "He double-crossed me," Reid said stiffly, as associates recounted to Nagourney. “Let’s not do what he wants. Let the bill just go down." That's when Emanuel knocked on Reid's door and convinced him to back down.

Will Rahm's penchant for undercutting progressives eventually come back to haunt him?

Rahm Emanuel: Don’t Worry About the Left
“There are no liberals left to get” in the Senate, Emanuel said in an interview, shrugging off some noise from the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) that a few liberals might bolt over the compromises made with conservative Democrats.

[uponit7771]

20. "Democratic sources" is NOT hard facts, I asked for some hard evidence not M$M made up rumors