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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:59 AM
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Medicare. For. All. Americans.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:59 AM
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1. Yes, the only question is...
How would we pay for it?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:00 AM
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2. Income tax.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:00 AM
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3. Tax. The. Rich.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:13 AM
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6. The problem with that is that you often end up lowering the bar so that everyone feels "rich"
i.e. over-taxed.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:16 PM
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19. stop looking for excuses. I'm not interested. If you're rich you know it.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:30 PM
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23. People who are truly rich can avoid paying just about any kind of tax
To me that is one of the definitions of wealth. It's a self-sustaining condition in which a person has enough resources to live as he or she wishes without relying on earned income, or on any other particular source that would be available to a middle class person.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:36 PM
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26. Yeah, that always goes over SO well....
...everytime we say "tax the rich", the American people say "whatever."
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:05 AM
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4. Same way we're payng for health insurance now - payroll deductions
It's the same money.

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mikeiddy Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:23 AM
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10. what he said (nt)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:25 AM
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12. Yep! Simple to understand.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:33 AM
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17. Dammit!!! That's too simple....complexify it or somethin!!
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:24 AM
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11. Taxes- it would still end up far cheaper for all.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:29 AM
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14. Same way the Canadians and every other country in the world does...through
taxes. It's not rocket science. We aren't inventing the wheel. Other countries are doing it successfully so all we have to do is study them and the results they get. It's time to do something for the people of the USA with their tax money other than spend it on wars and bailing out banks and other countries.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:30 AM
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15. Cut the $700 billion bugeted to the Pentagon...
to about $100 billion, and end the 2 wars.

End the health insurance and banking monopolies, which siphon off hundreds of billions from our incomes and economies.

We have the money, we just chose to spend it killing innocent people in far off lands, and enriching the oligarchy.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:47 AM
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18. Negotiate drug prices eom
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:05 PM
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22. That is one of the biggest roadblocks IMHO. 2 trillion/year in new taxes
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 01:06 PM by andym
The 2 trillion estimate comes from the estimate of CA nurses study of HR676.

Of course, Americans would end up saving money overall, but who would look at the big picture when bombarded by Republican spin about taxes.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:22 AM
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27. I can't believe that anyone could ask this seriously, given that we pay TWICE
--what every other goddam developed country in the world pays! We pay for it by giving our money to Medicare instead of to useless mass-murdering intermediaries, and the government pays the providers.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:06 AM
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5. it would bring healthcare prices down
private insurance would have compete with a government option. Funny they don't want that competition for themselves, but when it comes to competing with Chinese for jobs, well, that's ok.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:13 AM
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7. K&R
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:18 AM
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8. K&R
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:22 AM
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9. Medicare for NO ONE
Medicare won't be around much longer for anyone. Now that progressivism has died, and soon the right-wing fanatics will take over Congress and the White House. They will cut taxes on the wealthy (heck, they'll probably impose a flat tax or a sales tax), jobs will continue to be outsourced at alarming rates, and the nation's economy will be devastated when we start paying off the deficit and health care costs approximate over one-third of the GDP. There simply won't be any money to fund Medicare, Social Security, or Medicaid any longer.

Rugged individualism will rule the day. That, and long lines at community food pantries. Good-bye, America.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:59 PM
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20. aaarggggggggggg I bet no one wants to face that little scenario !!!!!!!!!! nt
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:28 AM
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13. Simple to understand and to campaign on.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:31 AM
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16. Pie. In. The. Sky.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:00 PM
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21. Unicorns. For. Everyone.
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insaniaveritas Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:32 PM
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24. not enough
Not enough income/tax balance to give ti over 300 million americans.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:04 PM
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25. Tax the rich for "medicare for all" and we'll call it a wealth recovery tax!
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:06 PM by B Calm
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