The GOP is happy, the teabaggers are happy, the health insurance industry is in exctasy: No HCR 4 U

[jpak]

are YOU happy that they Killed the Bill?

Isn't this what "WE" wanted?

:shrug:

[thereismore]

1. I'm not happy, but there is always a silver lining, you know. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. Is there any empirical proof of these statements?

And how can an industry be happy, even in ecstasy?

[jpak]

5. lookie what health insurance stocks did yesterday in anticipation of A Kill-the-Bill Brown win

HUM Humana Inc. NYSE USD 51.94 +3.43 7.07%
HS HealthSpring, Inc NYSE USD 20.13 +0.83 4.30%
AET Aetna Inc. NYSE USD 32.66 +1.30 4.15%
UNH UnitedHealth Group Inc. NYSE USD 35.13 +1.38 4.09%
CI CIGNA Corporation NYSE USD 37.92 +1.08 2.93%
WLP WellPoint, Inc. NYSE USD 68.06 +1.41 2.12%
MOH Molina Healthcare, Inc. NYSE USD 23.68 +0.48 2.07%
HNT Health Net, Inc. NYSE USD 26.01 +0.44 1.72%
WCG WellCare Health Plans,... NYSE USD 36.45 +0.43 1.19%
GTS Triple-S Management Corp. NYSE USD 17.63 +0.04 0.23%

empirical enough?

We've been had...

[Cronus Protagonist]

33. If I were an investor, I'd be buying their stock too

But not because the bill is going to be killed, but because it's going to pass and it's a huge financial windfall for the insurance companies.

[greenman3610]

3. the "progressives" are happy

[jpak]

6. woohoo!!!

:woohoo:

hope none of them have preexisting health conditions or expensive chronic health problems that will drop their insurance etc. ...

:sarcasm:

[treestar]

14. but that's better than giving all that money to the corporatists!

Insurance company giveaway! We'd rather suffer. And we love our "disappointment" that this thing worked on for decades now takes more than one year!

:sarcasm:

[jpak]

20. Our suffering we will be our salvation - yes? and our self-righteous angst will see us to victory

somewhere in the far distant future!!1111

in the meantime...

no HRC 4 U

:woohoo:

[Hello_Kitty]

4. Is this the official DLC hack talking point?

Nothing is ever the DLC's fault and you can always blame the dirty fucking hippies when things go wrong.

[jpak]

7. no it's reality

sorry - no HCR for you

[Hello_Kitty]

8. And whose fault is that?

The bill was a done deal until the MA race. What's the point of taunting and goading other than to keep up the division?

[jpak]

9. the taunting and goading came from the mirror - and now, no HCR 4 U

:woohoo:

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Sayeth the person who put up this OP.

Unbelievable.

[derby378]

24. HCR died on the House floor in October of 2009

Try to keep up.

[leeroysphitz]

17. I don't want your GARBAGE HCR.

You all can take your mandates and lack of price controls / competition and put them where the sun don't shine.

[jpak]

30. Now you won't get it - you get the status quo, which is so wonnerful

yup

[leeroysphitz]

37. and your NEW status quo of a new public monopoly with no government oversite is just SO much better.

Now be honest for a moment. Do you really think that the senate bill is truly the best deal that we could possibly get right now? In other words, do you honestly believe that there is NO possible way for the senate version to be any better at all?

Lets face it we have one shot to get HCR right why not fight to get the absolute best possible deal? How is that bad? Why are you fighting that?

[jpak]

43. I will be honest for a moment - the HRC bill is way better than the status quo

even the Senate bill

and no, I don't see how any "better" Senate-House reconciliation bill will survive once Brown is seated.

Don't get me wrong - I'm fully in support of single-payer. I lived in Canada for several years and know that single-payer works and well.

But political reality right now is that so-called "progressives" have convinced themselves - wrongly - that the HRC bill is worse than the status quo and cannot see any way forward except "KILLTHEBILL!!111

so NOHRC4U - it's dead

[donco6]

47. It is for today. Note the quotation marks around "base" and "progressive"

Straight off the memo.

[treestar]

11. I thought the health insurance industry should be miserable?

that bill was a giveaway to the insurance companies and their stocks went up when it passed the Senate? :shrug:

[Hello_Kitty]

12. The minute the PO was taken off the table they were home free.

No HCR they win. Watered down Senate bill they also win.

[jpak]

15. then we are happy - yes?

:shrug:

[nightrain]

13. sorry you're so disappointed. We don't know the results on health care yet.

[jpak]

16. Actually I am disappointed - the HRC bill *was* way better than the status quo

and now all we got is more of that shit.

Meme 'o The Day: Kill the Bill - it's cool!- hooray!!

[Hello_Kitty]

22. Oh for fuck's sake. Grow up, jpak.

The bill was a DONE DEAL until Martha Coakley lost. Shit happens. The dirty fucking hippies didn't stop the bill from passing and didn't cause Martha Coakley to lose to an empty suit with a truck.

[jpak]

27. LOL!!! Brown will be casting THE vote to kill that "done deal", so it isn't a "done deal"

is it

The GOP and Brrown will Kill the Bill - which what "we" wanted?

Right?

[Hello_Kitty]

32. Jesus Christ

What part of "was" in the "bill was a done deal" did you not understand? Yes, that is past tense. They hung the whole thing on 60 seats in the Senate and apparently didn't have a Plan B. Oddly enough, that's not the fault of the dirty fucking hippies on the internet either.

[nightrain]

29. another option is to not go to extremes--it's dead, we'll never... we don't know yet.

perhaps something better will come out of this mess.

Speaking as a healthcare practitioner, these HRC bills were a horrible continuation of the duplication, fragmentation, confusing and complex non-system we have now. We can do so much better. Perhaps Obama will get the message and actually work toward something better. I think it's better to not dump more money into a bad non-system. It's terrible public policy to transfer public wealth to private corporations.

[daa]

18. The repugs better not be happy

they are still less popular than the dems.

[jpak]

21. Yeah in placed like Mass.!!!111

Coakley defeats Brown!

:rofl:

[closeupready]

19. If we don't get HCR, it's mostly on Obama, since that was his signature issue.

Or at least, one of them.

[jpak]

23. but..but...but..."we" wanted to KILL the Bill!!!1 and now "we" are for it???

and it's Obama's fault? Does Obama have 60 votes he can *personally* cast in the Senate?

Nope

Obama did a fantastic job getting 60 HRC votes given the make-up of Dems and GOPs in the Senate - but some folks still don't "get it".

So now - No HRC 4 U

happy?

[Hello_Kitty]

26. Yes, Obama got his 60 votes and now he doesn't have them

Because Martha Coakley lost to Scott Brown.

Shit happens.

Deal with it.

[jpak]

28. and now No HRC4U

deal with it

[Hello_Kitty]

35. And not for you either. eom

[jpak]

39. and that is a good thing - isn't it... eom

[derby378]

38. You should have been saying that in October 2009

Again, you're late.

[closeupready]

31. In my opinion, he has already failed on HCR, as there is no strong public option.

That happened ages ago. It won't even expand Medicare. The rest of the nonsense they are talking about - mandates; no prohibition on pre-ex. cond. exclusions; cadillac taxes - that's all just "burnishing" a turd as far as I'm concerned.

The fact that what he ends up signing is entitled "Health Care Reform" is not enough to fool me or many other progressives; no more than the fact that the legislation named "The Patriot Act" is in any way reflective of patriotism.

He abdicated his responsibility to guide the legislation, and turned it over the Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, who are nice people in their own ways, but who are 1) not the President; and 2) ineffective at leading.

So ultimately, the blame in not getting HCR lies almost entirely with Obama.

[jpak]

41. It's way better than what we got now - are we happy with what we got now?

is so, never ever complain about our health care system again...

[closeupready]

45. Ah, but two points: 1) what I have now is better; and 2) I complain not for me, but for everyone,

since I believe deeply that everyone should be covered, and it should be real coverage, and should exert competitive pressure on prices.

The reform being considered now will not do that, and is not real reform. It's called that, but it's not that.

[jpak]

46. and millions of Americans are not as fortunate as you - and your insurance policy will not change

and now what we got is the Status Quo Ante-Brown which sucketh large

[ddeclue]

25. I doubt the Health Insurance industry is "happy" since they just lost 30M FORCED customers

who were going to be buying junk policies.

[jpak]

34. Here's what health insurance stocks did yeasterday in anticipation of a Kill-the-Bill Brown win

HUM Humana Inc. NYSE USD 51.94 +3.43 7.07%
HS HealthSpring, Inc NYSE USD 20.13 +0.83 4.30%
AET Aetna Inc. NYSE USD 32.66 +1.30 4.15%
UNH UnitedHealth Group Inc. NYSE USD 35.13 +1.38 4.09%
CI CIGNA Corporation NYSE USD 37.92 +1.08 2.93%
WLP WellPoint, Inc. NYSE USD 68.06 +1.41 2.12%
MOH Molina Healthcare, Inc. NYSE USD 23.68 +0.48 2.07%
HNT Health Net, Inc. NYSE USD 26.01 +0.44 1.72%
WCG WellCare Health Plans,... NYSE USD 36.45 +0.43 1.19%
GTS Triple-S Management Corp. NYSE USD 17.63 +0.04 0.23%

see?

someone's been had...

[spanone]

36. pardon me, but nothing has been killed as of yet

[jpak]

40. Yes - and Brown will vote FOR it!!!!111

Lalalalalalalala

(clue: it's dead)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

42. If the insurance companies hated the bill, how come their stock skyrocketed after the Senate passed

its version?

Answer me that, huh?

Their "opposition" was all theater.

[jpak]

44. their stock didn't skyrocket after the senate bill passed - nope

show us the numbers please!

but they did yesterday when it was clear Brown would win and Kill The Bill...

HUM Humana Inc. NYSE USD 51.94 +3.43 7.07%
HS HealthSpring, Inc NYSE USD 20.13 +0.83 4.30%
AET Aetna Inc. NYSE USD 32.66 +1.30 4.15%
UNH UnitedHealth Group Inc. NYSE USD 35.13 +1.38 4.09%
CI CIGNA Corporation NYSE USD 37.92 +1.08 2.93%
WLP WellPoint, Inc. NYSE USD 68.06 +1.41 2.12%
MOH Molina Healthcare, Inc. NYSE USD 23.68 +0.48 2.07%
HNT Health Net, Inc. NYSE USD 26.01 +0.44 1.72%
WCG WellCare Health Plans,... NYSE USD 36.45 +0.43 1.19%
GTS Triple-S Management Corp. NYSE USD 17.63 +0.04 0.23%