Huge Voter Turnout...and they all came out to vote Brown?

[happy_liberal]

I don't think so. I don't care how bad a candidate Coakley was, the people of Massachusetts are not that stupid. I don't care how bad the Democratic Party has been behaving, no one has forgotten what the Republicans have done to this country.

Do we have any reason to believe this wasn't stolen by diebold and the propaganda being fed by the media? Why don't they do exit polls anymore...since they started stealing elections? Exit polls were the canary in the coal mine. Now all we have is....trust. Well elections are not supposed to be about trust.

If Coakley won, the Republicans would have been screaming election fraud...and it would have been the perfect time for us to unite around taking back our voting systems, paper ballots, hand counted and posted at the precinct. But instead, Dems 'lose' and slink away blaming the party thereby paving the way to more election fraud 2010, because it is all our fault. WE can put all kinds of energy into the next election and they will steal it again. It is all part of the plan.

They let Obama win because they wanted someone to blame everything on. Now they plan on taking it all back. And to the people who think we can't see a Palin/Cheney win 2012....Think again. They create the reality now...and we are just supposed to go along with it.

[leftstreet]

1. Sounds like he didn't run as a Republican

No references to Republican or GOP on his bus, in his campaign literature, on his signs, in his speeches, etc

People turned out and voted for an Independent - which is how he sold himself

[SoCalDem]

3. Out here, republicans put on their "V" masks too

and their signs rarely have any mention of party..

and some deliberately use the word "independent" as often as possible

[cali]

4. yep.

[Junkdrawer]

2. Apparently there are 71 hand counted districts in Mass...Coakley won those...

I'm with you. I've never seen a more scripted event than yesterday.

[happy_liberal]

13. +10000

nt

[hughee99]

15. Where did you get this info about all 71 districts going for Coakley?

I know in western MA, the smaller towns mostly hand-count and are almost all solidly blue, but Berlin hand-counts (according to BBV) and Brown got 60% there, Hudson hand-counts (also according to BBV) and Brown got 57% there. Tolland hand-counts, Brown 72%.

BBV has a list of the counting method for each town, and a fair number of the hand-counted towns went for Brown (if their info is accurate).

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/8/80830.html

[Junkdrawer]

17. Apparently, taken as a whole, the 71 locations went to Coakley....

What I'll want to see is how closely those districts followed historical trends vs. the machine counted districts.

Wait a day or two. I'm sure those numbers will be crunched.

[hughee99]

19. The "historical trend" is that Dems win in a landslide.

in this case, they lost, so I'm not sure how much we're really going to learn from this. Regardless of vote manipulation (and I'm extremely skeptical that the repukes could create 100K votes in a state completely run by Democrats, though certainly some could have happened), it was clear to anyone in the state that this election wasn't going to follow a "historical trend".

Taken as a whole, though, the Coakley districts were districts that were solidly for Coakley anyway. I suspect many of them, if they hadn't always been doing hand counts, switched to them after 2000.

The more people scream "stolen election" without ANY evidence (and in the face of a significant margin of victory), the less likely anyone will take those people seriously when the repukes do really steal one.

[Junkdrawer]

22. Without the data in front of me...

if Hand Counted District A was 10% off the historical trend...

while neighboring Machine Counted District B was 25% off the historical trend...

I would find that suspicious.

[hughee99]

23. If you look at the Obama-McCain election

I don't think you're going to see this in most towns. If you're comparing this against Teddy running essentially unopposed (vs. Jack E. Robinson) the numbers won't mean anything.

McCain, awful candidate though he was, got 1.1 million votes in MA, about the same as Brown got in this race. Those votes were out there for Brown to mobilize, and his campaign did do a good job getting the vote out. Coakley got just over half the votes that Obama did in '08.

[Junkdrawer]

26. I'll be comparing district vs district vs history....

where the free variable will be voting methodology....

[hughee99]

31. And it depends on which history you look at.

Kennedy vs. no one is not a good indicator. A dem vs. a repuke will be more indicative. When Kennedy ran unopposed (or essentially unopposed), repukes didn't show up. If you compare vs. governor's elections or presidential elections, where both parties had a "solid" candidate and voters from both sides turned out, it will be a better comparison.

Check out the results in the governor's races or presidential elections for a better indication.

[WeDidIt]

5. Dude. She lost fair and square

Time to accept it and move on.

[happy_liberal]

8. Do you have evidence of that?

We should just trust them?

[Kaleva]

27. There's no evidence that the election was stolen.

[WeDidIt]

36. Democratic Secretary of State and a Democratic run election

Yeah, I got all the evidence I need. They counted the votes. Brown got 100,000 more than Coakley. Case closed.

Now, back up your allegations of election fraud with factual evidence and not just smoke and mirrors.

[happy_liberal]

39. It takes one man, one hacker, to change the election results

These numbers look suspicious to me

2008:
1,104,284 McCain
1,891,083 Obama


1,168,107 Brown + 64,000 more than McCain
1,058,682 Coakley - 830,000 less than Obama
_________

109,325 vote difference

The pubbies got a 10% increase in votes in the off year
and the dems a decrease of almost 40%?

Wow, that's some shift. The numbers seem incredible.

[WeDidIt]

41. No factual evidence to back up your assertions

Looking suspicious to you means zip.

Prove it.

[ddeclue]

6. MORE TIN FOIL FAIL.

[BeFree]

21. Tin foil hat? Gimme one

Because pretty much the opposite of a tin foil is a dunce cap.

You are in favor of allowing corporations to count the votes?

Used to be vote counting was public.
And now you like the corporatism of the count? BzzT!!

[MineralMan]

7. What is missing in your understanding is that

a majority of voters in MA call themselves Independents. Democrats do NOT have a majority in MA. I think the large turnout was in that group, and that they decided they'd toss the Democrat in the dump. Same thing happened in Minnesota with Jesse Ventura. It was a horrible mistake.

[happy_liberal]

10. They have been stealing elections

why would they stop?

[MineralMan]

14. Well, see, the thing is...

You have to have some evidence of such things. Get some, and then we'll talk.

[happy_liberal]

29. Shouldn't they have evidence the election was fair

We had evidence in 2004...but it was ignored by the same media that is controlling our elections today.

[MineralMan]

34. Shouldn't you have evidence you did not rob that bank last week?

[happy_liberal]

38. AUDITING YOUR ELECTION 101 By Andy Stephenson

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7521581

[WilliamPitt]

9. The myth of Massachusetts liberalism

Cambridge is liberal. Northampton is liberal. The rest of the state is all over the map. Lots of blue-0collar voters, Catholic voters...and male voters who weren't going to vote for a woman.

Coakley campaigned on her belly. Terrible, terrible job.

Democrats outnumber Republicans 3-1 in MA, but independents outnumber them both, and they broke for Brown.

Not as liberal a state as they'd have you believe, friends. Go to Southie and ask around.

[Leopolds Ghost]

25. Writing off blue-collar voters, catholic voters?

Luke: "I don't believe it!"
Yoda: "That... is why you fail."

[cali]

28. like those voters never voted repub before

clue: Reagan won MA twice and over the last two decades MA has had more repub govs than dem govs.

[WilliamPitt]

33. I'm not writing them off

But look at the results of the election. It wasn't all yuppies from Newton who voted for Brown. Look at the results map. You tell me...that is, if you actually know what you're looking at when you look at a map of Massachusetts.

Blue-collar voters are out of work. A fair portion of Catholic voters vote pro-life, even in Massachusetts.

It's not a mystery...unless you're unfamiliar with the territory.

[Helga Scow Stern]

11. It's certainly possible. Amazing how taboo a subject this still is...+1 still less than zero.

[happy_liberal]

12. I don't know if it is taboo

or planned damage control.

They have been working on the propaganda to steal this thing, I'm sure they had a plan afterward to shut everyone up when they stole it.

[happy_liberal]

16. another post questioning this...

DUers wake the hell up!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7520264


The usual DUers miss the point and attack Bev Harris, but this comment says it all...

"I was Andy's friend and am NO fan of Bev Harris, but paying attention and auditing elections is...


...the prudent thing to do. Since Obama won, the outright dismissal of voting system problems by so many Dems is scary. SCARY.

It doesn't always have to be fraud, although fraud is always possible. These machines are so lousy, they can simply break down and fail. Happens often.

Voting machines need to be watched and results audited. Where there are paper ballots, audits can be done. There was paper in MN and paper yesterday in MA.

Sadly millions of us STILL have no voter-verified paper ballot after all these years, and many on here don't care or worry about it.

And THAT, I believe, would break my friend Andy's heart more than Bev Harris ever did."

[elocs]

18. What is with this not being able to accept a loss and having to blame someone?

Coakley lost. She did not campaign well or hard. The Republicans were fired up and pissed off and they showed up to vote while enough Democrats were demoralized.

She lost. LOST. Period. And it wasn't close.

I'll go with this attitude: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7520428

[happy_liberal]

40. "fool me once... shame on... shame on.... you"

"fool me...can't get fooled again"

[cali]

20. MA voted for Reagan twice. They've elected mostly repub govs over the last

couple of decades.


oh, I know. all those elections were stolen too.

[timeforpeace]

24. The myth that huge voter turnout benefits only us has been demolished.

[B Calm]

30. All the hand count polling places went for Coakley and machine count went

to Brown. coincidence. . .

[happy_liberal]

37. coincidence. . .

I think not.

[BeFree]

32. First numbers look weird

2008:
1,104,284 McCain
1,891,083 Obama


1,168,107 Brown + 64,000 more than McCain
1,058,682 Coakley - 830,000 less than Obama
_________

109,325 vote difference

The pubbies got a 10% increase in votes in the off year
and the dems a decrease of almost 40%?

Wow, that's some shift. The numbers seem incredible.

[happy_liberal]

35. "The numbers seem incredible."

I'll say!