Muslim anger over US military 'Jesus' scopes

[Kadie]

Muslim anger over US military 'Jesus' scopes
8 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan were using rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.

The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) called on US Defense Secretary Robert Gates to immediately withdraw from combat use equipment found to have inscriptions of Biblical references.

It followed a report from ABC television which revealed that Michigan-based contractor Trijicon had sold up to 800,000 of the sights to the US military which were being used in combat.

The report said the religious codes -- referencing passages from the New Testament -- appeared to be a violation of US military rules prohibiting proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan.

A statement posted on the Trijicon website said: "As part of our faith and our belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usmilitaryreligionweapons;_ylt=At37Z2Pg68ihUdWeISUWHtoFO7gF

[Solly Mack]

1. K&R

[Quantess]

2. Rightfully so, and Muslims aren't the only ones offended.

[malaise]

48. +1

Fugging madness

[Recursion]

3. Especially given how important Jesus is in Islam NT

[rd_kent]

4. Fuck, AMERICANS are agry over this!

And we ALL should be.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jgraz]

9. Correction: Americans who understand what America stands for are angry about this.

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tavalon]

12. Tell us about your America

[jgraz]

13. Actually, I do. Would you like me to educate you?

Don't worry, I can translate to freeper.

[Forkboy]

21. Your America is probably inhabited by inbred racists with three teeth between them.

The plus side being that the taffy lasts a long time.

Am I close?

[Terra Alta]

32. judging from your recent posts...

"your America" will most likely include a pizza. :hi:

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. Ditto oh clueless one.

:evilgrin:

[rd_kent]

17. Thanks, jgraz, for the support

:fistbump:

[jgraz]

23. Don't worry, you can still kick my ass in the gungeon

But everyone on this board agrees more than they disagree. Except, of course, for the current cat toy we're playing with.

[rd_kent]

50. Yup.

[tavalon]

11. You like this?

[rd_kent]

19. Maybe YOU aren't, but you should be.

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[paulsby]

5. interestingly, i have trijicon sights

on my police duty weapon. can't find any inscription

[PSzymeczek]

18. Check the end of

the serial number.

[hootinholler]

64. I've been wondering about this

I want to know if they put them on all their sights or just those manufactured for the military.

-Hoot

[paulsby]

65. i can't find them on my cop sights

and YES, i unloaded the gun (and detached the slide) before holding it up to my face...

[ManiacJoe]

73. It seems to be limited to certain models of the scopes.

All the pictures in the media are showing the full size ACOG scopes.

My Compact ACOG from the 1990's does not have the markings, but there is also no room on the smaller scope to put it.

[paulsby]

77. that's my belief

i was not casting doubt on the story, just saying THESE sights (the ones i have on my dept. weapon) don't have em.

unless they are microstamped by keebler elves so they are too small to see :)

[Name removed]

6. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tavalon]

15. Scopes make it easier to kill from long distances

How are they saving lives? And how do bible verses in them make them better?

[conscious evolution]

44. ibts

[tavalon]

51. I know IBTL

What is IBTS?

[conscious evolution]

55. In Before TombStone

[tavalon]

58. Ah, I see!

[RagAss]

7. I wouldn't want to be captured with one of these.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jgraz]

16. Mmm... who else smells PIZZA?

[RagAss]

24. I smell mushroom and onions.

[jgraz]

31. Damn, now I'm hungry.

[Orsino]

28. This thread is like a magnet for stoopid. n/t

[bbinacan]

40. Based on your behavior

I'd think you might be his sister.:evilgrin:

[RagAss]

22. When you make religion a contest...everyone plays to win.

And by the way...we are all animals.

[KonaKane]

37. Oh, for sure, it's all "them"

I mean after all, wasn't it THEM who lied their governments into a war of invasion and occupation of our natio....ooops, wait a minute....

[Alias Dictus Tyrant]

25. The Jesus scopes were stupid...

...but so is the Muslim reaction. Both the sides need to STFU. I am a lifelong atheist that doesn't really care about the religious beliefs of others, but I have little patience for whiners and ninnies who get the vapors at the slightest perceived offense to their delicate sensibilities.

Yeah, Trijicon was stupid. Yeah, the Muslim Public Affairs Council is equally stupid for having such a pathetic religion that they get all hot and bothered when Trijicon does something stupid. They deserve each other.


Their gods have such fragile egos that is surprising to me that they haven't committed suicide in a fit of emo pique.

[Forkboy]

26. This thread is like flypaper!

:rofl:

[jgraz]

29. Actually, it's more like maggot-paper.

They're certainly crawling out of their holes.

[Kadie]

57. I guess so.

Whoosh...

[timeforpeace]

27. Fix it quick. You remember what happened last time due to Muslim anger.

[Forkboy]

33. I wonder how many people fall for your Lennon avatar.

[invictus]

30. Of course they have Bible codes. This is a Christian and Jewish holy war to smite infidel Muslims ..

... and save the holy land for the Jews so Jesus can return with his red heifer. Don't believe me? Just as Pat Robertson.

:sarcasm:

[Obamanaut]

39. I thought the non muslims are the infidels. It is so hard to keep the

players straight any more.

[LLStarks]

34. Trijicon has absolutely zero shame. Fuck them. nt

[KonaKane]

35. Quelle ironie!

The fundie whackos in this country are constantly bawling about how Islam is waging a holy war against us....and yet it's the American Christian side (you know, the side with their military all over the globe) actually bringing back the Crusades by sticking Bible verses on the rifle sights.

Nice going, idiots.

[Obamanaut]

36. If one is shot by a bullet from such a weapon, does it affect the wound

if the scope has such an inscription? Probably not.

If a muslim is given a weapon with such a scope, and he finds it offensive, remove the scope.

If he buys such a weapon, have it removed prior to the purchase.

If he is shot with such a weapon, bad luck got hime - with or without a scope.

This is such a non argument, carrying political correctness way too far.

[The Straight Story]

38. Screw em, I am angry over how they treat women, etc

:)

[joe_sixpack]

41. Would it be less offensive

If we shot them with rifles that had verses of the Koran on the barrels? Just asking.

[jgraz]

43. It would be less offensive if my tax dollars weren't used to propagate someone's sky daddy myth

Just saying...

[invictus]

46. LOL at "sky daddy"

[Obamanaut]

59. Would the price of the scope be different without the inscription? nt

[jgraz]

78. Yes. It would cost one less Constitutional Amendment.

Kind of a nice discount, don't you think?

[Hissyspit]

68. How 'bout NO verses?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

42. At least this journalist got the story right.

[invictus]

45. It reminds me of that hillbilly sniper in Saving Private Ryan who quoted the Bible whenever ...

... he killed someone with his sniper rifle. I wonder how many of those nutjobs we have over there praying to Jesus while killing "infidels."

[RedCappedBandit]

49. Biblical references.. on tools of death. Ironic.

..or maybe not so much

[ManiacJoe]

75. Maybe, but the references do not seem random.

The all reference light. Note that Trijicon specializes in low-light optics that do not require batteries.

[deaniac21]

52. I'm guessing they don't like the sniper shots either.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tavalon]

61. Nope,

Christianity is. What is it about these monotheistic religions that foster such thin skin and insecurity?

[blondeatlast]

63. Hell, I'M a Christian--they ain't got anything on the zealots on my side of the steeple. nt

[krabigirl]

67. oh yeah, hello?! No, I think xianity is..the majority and SO insecure.

so tired of it also....

[jgraz]

54. Aaand.... it's dead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=253626

One down...

[Forkboy]

56. And one to go.

:)

[jgraz]

60. At least he'll have more time to spend with his "mate".

I'm sure the pigs aren't thrilled about that.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

62. Too many flies, too few fly swatters. -nt

[hootinholler]

79. Was it killed with a JC quoted scope? n/t

[krabigirl]

66. Rightfully so. I can't believe all of the people defending this crap.

[steveorg]

69. Punish the contractor

It's amazing that they don't see anything wrong with imposing their religion on a government related activity. They're probably one of those super-patriotic love the country but hate the Constitution types.

I say make them replace all degraded scopes with non-religious ones at no cost.

[Thothmes]

72. possible if the Government can produce a copy of the

contract that shows inclusion of the verses was prohibited. If it was not prohibited by the contract and the government inspectors accepted the scopes, chances are that there is no legal leg to stand on. No one has said that the scopes do not function as the government intended them to function.

[donheld]

70. k & R

[eppur_se_muova]

71. Who would Jesus, um, snipe ?? nt

[Mari333]

74. gee ya think?

[burning rain]

76. Stupid assholes at Trijicon.

This only stands to further--and needlessly--antagonize Afghans and Iraqis against our troops.

Of course it's also an affront to all Americans who value our secular republic.